[release]Reporter Andy Hiller flung one of the hardest questions of the Sunday-morning GOP debate at Mitt Romney, asking whether he will support the gay community, as he claimed in the ’90s. Romney delivered a confident and decisive answer: "If people are looking for someone who discriminates against gays, they won't find that in me." Hiller: "When was the last time you stood up for increasing gay rights? "Right now," Romney said with his head held high, to a round of applause. Hiller doesn't miss a beat and turns to Rick Santorum: “Would you?” Santorum replies that, “Just because you don't agree with someone's desire to change the law doesn't mean you don't like them.” Hiller pressed him on what he'd do if his son was gay, and Santorum delivered an emotional response: “I would love him as much as I did the second before he said it.”[/release]
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Also, Santorum said he would still love his son just as much if he were gay. I call Santorum on that one.
Well that's good I guess, but his language sounds purposefully indirect.
[QUOTE=postmanX3;34117015]Well that's good I guess, but his language sounds purposefully indirect.[/QUOTE]
That's Romney's style. Be as ambiguous as possible so everyone thinks they agree with you.
Romney may be a flip flopper with his hand so far down lobbyists pockets that he can feel their dicks, but an Obama v. Romney win would either way it ends not be the end of the world, unlike virtually every other candidate.
Romney is another whore and I do not trust him at all.
He says this now, but he's proven before that he can easily change back
So he stood up for gay rights by saying he was standing up for gay rights?
[QUOTE=postmanX3;34117015]Well that's good I guess, but his language sounds purposefully indirect.[/QUOTE]
That's the language of politics.
[QUOTE=Chicken_Chaser;34117079]Romney is another whore and I do not trust him at all.[/QUOTE]
I trust him more than... well, basically anybody from the GOP.
Doubt it, Romney.
[QUOTE=DesolateGrun;34117121]He says this now, but he's proven before that he can easily change back[/QUOTE]
I feel that any politician can (and usually does) go back on a good amount of things they say and any statement from any of them should be taken with a grain of salt.
Romney has flip flopped half a dozen times on certain issues, I wouldn't doubt it if he flips back over to hating gay rights again in the future.
Romney will say whatever it takes to get elected. So tomorrow, once he gauges the public reaction, he'll come out against gay rights.
[QUOTE=Trunk Monkay;34117201]Romney has flip flopped half a dozen times on certain issues, I wouldn't doubt it if he flips back over to hating gay rights again in the future.[/QUOTE]
"A lot of Republicans are bashing gays, maybe if I pretend to support them, I'll win!" - Romney :v:
[QUOTE=Kinversulath;34117143]I trust him more than... well, basically anybody from the GOP.[/QUOTE]
Paul is to be trusted more than the other GOP front-runners.
[QUOTE=Emperor Scorpious II;34117193]I feel that any politician can (and usually does) go back on a good amount of things they say and any statement from any of them should be taken with a grain of salt.[/QUOTE]
The problem with this is that it hinges on the notion that politicians are only one kind of dishonest person, not that there are honest and dishonest politicians.
See: Bernie Sanders or Ron Paul. Tell me they don't believe the things they say.
[editline]8th January 2012[/editline]
[QUOTE=Chicken_Chaser;34117296]Paul is to be trusted more than the other GOP front-runners.[/QUOTE]
Trusted to mean what he says, but if the ideas themselves are not very good, then he's still not very good.
Of course he stands up for gay rights, everyone else goes against it and he understood there's a large part of people who are angry at the GOP because how backwards most of them are.
By appearing as willing to see change he guarantees himself a bit more general appreciation than his adversaries, I doubt he's actually thinking it, especially because how he brings that up after Santorum declared some stupid shit about gay rights.
It has to be said though that just because you earnestly believe what you say does not make what you say better and does not make you better.
[editline]8th January 2012[/editline]
Santorum probably believes most of the things he says, but that does not make him a good person or the things he says good.
Romney is my favorite GOP candidate, but some of the things he says really gets me. I trust him when he says he will not discriminate against gays, but he will never, ever champion the cause of gay marriage in this campaign.
Unless it can get him the election.
[QUOTE=SomeRandomGuy16;34117036]That's Romney's style. Be as ambiguous as possible so everyone thinks they agree with you.[/QUOTE]
Some people are really good at that though.
Unfortunately Romney is really bad.
[QUOTE=Jackald;34117539] At least every single person in this classroom that the protagonist is so chicken to enter is attractive. [/QUOTE]What does any of this mean?
[QUOTE=mac338;34117049]Romney may be a flip flopper with his hand so far down lobbyists pockets that he can feel their dicks, but an Obama v. Romney win would either way it ends not be the end of the world, unlike virtually every other candidate.[/QUOTE]
Yeah Romney very much fits a Presidential build. I don't think he would be a good President compared to Obama, however.
[QUOTE=Megafanx13;34117177]Doubt it, Romney.[/QUOTE]
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That said, he will do and say anything to get elected. But he has consistently supported the rights of gay Americans, compared to, say, Santorum, who really doesn't.
People who are gay will support
people who are anti-gay will not support
[QUOTE=Reimu;34117607][img]http://26.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lxhvmgN2jz1r35a3qo1_500.jpg[/img]
That said, he will do and say anything to get elected. But he has consistently supported the rights of gay Americans, compared to, say, Santorum, who really doesn't.[/QUOTE]
Romney also claimed to be pro-choice in the 90s, and we know how that went. I figure he supported the LGBT in Massachusetts because of how blue a state that is.
Who else remembers when Steven Colbert ran for president?
How fucking great would that be? He really knows his shit even though he's a political comedian.
[QUOTE=Megafanx13;34117714]Romney also claimed to be pro-choice in the 90s, and we know how that went. I figure he supported the LGBT in Massachusetts because of how blue a state that is.[/QUOTE]
While I don't doubt that he expressed more support for the LGBT community in MA, I don't think that he's necessarily going to actively work against the LGBT community either. I think the farthest he would go as a President is blocking any federal gay marriage bill that did not yield any proper political payoff. Which is, arguably, not as dangerous as someone who is anti-LGBT down to the core.
But yeah, as we've seen with abortion, Romney will change his views based on what's good for his career; not what he necessarily believes in.
Romney is the only Republican candidate that I can see as a potential threat to Obama. The rest of them are way too far to the right to be able to face Obama in a debate without looking even more foolish than they do now.
And, unfortunately, Jon Huntsman's supporters are rather thin in numbers and cannot possibly support him compared to someone like Romney.
[QUOTE=SnowCanary;34117941]Romney is the only Republican candidate that I can see as a potential threat to Obama. The rest of them are way too far to the right to be able to face Obama in a debate without looking even more foolish than they do now.[/QUOTE]
I don't know, Romney's kinda spineless. I can see him saying one thing different to the other within the same debate because somebody told him to, and that's a huge contradiction right there.
I mean he could say "I'm pro-choice" at first, then somebody tells him to say the opposite when he's outside. I wouldn't be particularly surprised if any one of the GOP candidates did this.
I think Romney tends to flip-flop but he isn't stone cold. He's consistently held certain perspectives, just twisted and perverted them around. Others he will totally change, however, based on his political needs.
I have a feeling he's only saying things like this because santorum is catching a lot of heat for being anti-gay. exploiting the situation.
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