Turkish foreign minister predicts 'religious war' in Europe - Polidicks

[QUOTE]Speaking in Ankara following the triumph for Netherlands prime minister Mark Rutte, Turkish Foreign Minister Mevlüt Çavuşoğlu claimed that all the parties had the same approach as the right-wing and anti-Islam leader Geert Wilders. Wilders’ Freedom Party polled less well than predicted, coming a distant second. “Where would you go?” Çavuşoğlu asked, addressing Europe’s politicians. “Where are you dragging Europe to? You are collapsing Europe, you are dragging Europe to a cliff. Soon there will be religious wars in Europe.”[/QUOTE] [URL="http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/dutch-elections-netherlands-geert-wilders-freedom-party-turkey-fascist-no-difference-rallies-islam-a7632571.html"]http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/dutch-elections-netherlands-geert-wilders-freedom-party-turkey-fascist-no-difference-rallies-islam-a7632571.html[/URL] [URL="http://www.euronews.com/2017/03/16/turkish-foreign-minister-predicts-religious-war-in-europe"]http://www.euronews.com/2017/03/16/turkish-foreign-minister-predicts-religious-war-in-europe[/URL] deus vult

It's like they want to destabilize Europe. [quote=Mevlüt Çavuşoğlu]Soon there will be religious wars in Europe.[/quote] Don't worry, we'll shove that war up your asshole.

Good luck twat

Lmfao yeah absolutely, not that you lot are helping to make that a reality. Turkey's been in shit post mode for a while now, first threatening the EU and now this. Get back in your basement Turkey, the west has bigger problems.

Easy claim to make for someone from Turkey, where religious unrest and conflict is a very real threat.

Ottomans wanting to undo the Peace of Westphalia? Won't work.

[QUOTE] “Where are you dragging Europe to? You are collapsing Europe, you are dragging Europe to a cliff. Soon there will be religious wars in Europe.” [/QUOTE] ...and where have [B]you[/B] dragged us to? You've already collapsed Turkey, you've dragged us down from the fucking cliff. Forget soon, the wars are happening right fucking now. Seems to me that I can't escape from such [I]wonderful[/I] news no matter what site I check, god damn this week was an embarrassment.

But what about multiple terrorism acts that occured in recent years with Islamic background? Charlie Hebdo, truck driving into people in France, Belgium, December in Germany....

[QUOTE=Knurr;51973465]But what about multiple terrorism acts that occured in recent years with Islamic background? Charlie Hebdo, truck driving into people in France, Belgium, December in Germany....[/QUOTE] Terrorist acts in the name of Islam are near universally disapproved by the vast majority of Muslims. Terrorist actions do not signal an imminent religious war. The Turkish foreign minister's just fearmongering for the sake of fearmongering.

[QUOTE=Knurr;51973465]But what about multiple terrorism acts that occured in recent years with Islamic background? Charlie Hebdo, truck driving into people in France, Belgium, December in Germany....[/QUOTE] We can't mistake the actions of a radicalized, idiotic few to be the will of an entire religious group. Most muslims look upon these acts with disgust, some even considering it an attack on their faith as it paints a terrible picture of themselves in the eyes of others.

What the hell does Turkey's government hope to accomplish with these threats?

[QUOTE=Maximo13;51973652]What the hell does Turkey's government hope to accomplish with these threats?[/QUOTE] "Maybe if we threaten them with religious wars and flooding Europe with immigrants they'll finally let us into the EU." The Turkish government can get fucked.

Balkan Wars: Electric Boogaloo

[QUOTE=Fantastical;51973889]Balkan Wars: Electric Boogaloo[/QUOTE] If turkey so much as touches bulgaria... Seriously Turkey is going full retard. imo they've been empowered by the orange shit gibbon and european euroskeptic movement (this bs + the other thing is clearly a bone thrown to idiots like le pen) It's like a fucking axis of evil, turdogan and Poo-tin are directly trying to destabilise Europe.

[QUOTE=Maximo13;51973652]What the hell does Turkey's government hope to accomplish with these threats?[/QUOTE] They want to alienate the turkish minority living in Europe, especially in countries like Germany, so that they feel nationalistic and vote yes in the upcoming referendum which would give Erdogan more power.

[QUOTE=Sam Za Nemesis;51973363](Kick Turkey out of NATO)[/QUOTE] Unfortunately probably won't happen, as Turkey is the buffer between Europe and the you-know-what wars in Asia Minor. On topic though - this is all a part of the big ploy to present Europe as the enemy in the eyes of the uneducated, lower class Anadolian citizens. After the referendum passes, Erdogan will change his tune. I say "passes" because I'm certain it will. The repression in Turkey is scary and dissent is punished harshly. [editline]17th March 2017[/editline] IMO this is a time for a unified EU policy on how to handle Turkey. Economic sanctions will make Erdogan crawl back begging Europe as the Turkish lira will fall down even further. This summer will also be a strain on the tourism sector because of the threats of terrorism and also the Erdogan's aggressive rhetoric which is making many Europeans reconsider Turkey as a holiday destination.

Replace religious war with economic collapse in 20 years due to over-bureaucracy and you'd be right Mr. Mevlut. so start saying that.

[QUOTE=Stopper;51974078]Unfortunately probably won't happen, as Turkey is the buffer between Europe and the you-know-what wars in Asia Minor. On topic though - this is all a part of the big ploy to present Europe as the enemy in the eyes of the uneducated, lower class Anadolian citizens. After the referendum passes, Erdogan will change his tune. I say "passes" because I'm certain it will. The repression in Turkey is scary and dissent is punished harshly. [editline]17th March 2017[/editline] IMO this is a time for a unified EU policy on how to handle Turkey. Economic sanctions will make Erdogan crawl back begging Europe as the Turkish lira will fall down even further. This summer will also be a strain on the tourism sector because of the threats of terrorism and also the Erdogan's aggressive rhetoric which is making many Europeans reconsider Turkey as a holiday destination.[/QUOTE] Nah, only thing making the Lira fall further will do is galvanize turks against the EU. Sanctions would be propaganda fuel and when the average turk starts finding their paycheck goes a lot less far than it used to, coupled with the propaganda, they're gonna fall in line behind the first politician that promises prosperity. Which will be Erdogan. You want him overthrown and replaced with a sensible leader? Fight him with information. Make it clear to the Average Turk that he needs to go. They will do the rest. But as long as the majority support keeping him in power he will remain there until the only way for him to leave power is by war.

[QUOTE=TestECull;51974214]Nah, only thing making the Lira fall further will do is galvanize turks against the EU. Sanctions would be propaganda fuel and when the average turk starts finding their paycheck goes a lot less far than it used to, coupled with the propaganda, they're gonna fall in line behind the first politician that promises prosperity. Which will be Erdogan. You want him overthrown and replaced with a sensible leader? Fight him with information. Make it clear to the Average Turk that he needs to go. They will do the rest. But as long as the majority support keeping him in power he will remain there until the only way for him to leave power is by war.[/QUOTE] We're long past that, unfortunately. This would've been a valid move a year ago, but Erdogan was holding (and still is) the refugees over Europe's head, hence the EU's lack of action. As much as I hate the man, he plays his cards very well. He wants to be the new Sultan and he's on track to becoming that. We can't afford to make pleasantries with him anymore. The good thing about an autocratic regime is that you only need to take down one card to make the whole house fall down. Too many card references?

What the actual fuck lmao. Fuck this prick and everything he stands for. I can't stand living in this joke of a country seriously, I'm so outta here after college.

Just whisper the words "Armenian Genocide" and you'll immediately trigger an 11/10 rage from any Turk. Works every time, I promise. It's how Europe will win the war.

Allow Armenia to join NATO.

Says the religious country who sucks Erodgens dick because he quotes religious shit.

Kick Turkey out of NATO, begin Russo-American alliance, take over Constantinople and demolish the minarets on the Hagia Sophia. DEUS VULT!

Turkey will eventually drift into Russian sphere of influence with that attidute. Erdogan is basically Turkish Putin, least he's aspiring to become one. And even if NATO isn't explicitly an alliance of democractic nations, the threats of one NATO member against several NATO members shouldn't be tolerated. But we all know that USA won't dare to kick Turkey, to not giveaway Turkey to the Russians. Turkish-Russian releations might not be the best ones right now, but the moment Turkey isn't in NATO, and Erdogan finally gets his extended powers as result of referendum (because let's be honest, the results will be most likely manipulated), he'll seek an alliance with Putin. I know I've went a bit off the topic, but Erdogan is acting like Putin - the similarity is that he uses minorities as a weapon. He calls for more children from turkish minorities in Europe, while also predicting a religious war, its obvious that he wants to destabilize EU as a whole. Also yes, I take this "prediction of religious war" as an in-direct threat to the EU (so most of the NATO as well)

You know what? Fuck it, let's stop classifying the PKK as a terrorist group and directly fund them to fuck with Erdogan. We're supporting what's basically the Syrian branch of the PKK already so it's not the big of a leap.

[QUOTE=JoeSkylynx;51983665]Kick Turkey out of NATO, begin Russo-American alliance, take over Constantinople and demolish the minarets on the Hagia Sophia. DEUS VULT![/QUOTE] This would be more funny if I wasn't afraid you actually believed this.

[QUOTE=3ntropy;51973642]We can't mistake the actions of a radicalized, idiotic few to be the will of an entire religious group. Most muslims look upon these acts with disgust, some even considering it an attack on their faith as it paints a terrible picture of themselves in the eyes of others.[/QUOTE] [QUOTE=spoder55;51973490]Terrorist acts in the name of Islam are near universally disapproved by the vast majority of Muslims. Terrorist actions do not signal an imminent religious war. The Turkish foreign minister's just fearmongering for the sake of fearmongering.[/QUOTE] While terrorist attacks are only committed by a radical few, a majority actually do support it.

[QUOTE=toaster468;51984350]While terrorist attacks are only committed by a radical few, a majority actually do support it. [img]https://bielsa.me/dl/2017-03-19_19-23-35.png[/img][/QUOTE] This is an extraordinarily misleading picture, and I wouldn't even claim that it was a fault of Pew Research, but whoever was the person who made it. Not only does Pew Research Center [I]not[/I] utilize Indian Muslims as a part of their studies, or Algeria, China, Iran, Saudi Arabia, Sudan, Syria and Yemen (which is a [I]significant[/I] deviation), but anyone who is statistically mind knows that this is kind of impossible when you even think about what this picture is trying to tell your for a measly second. How is it possible that 1.39 billion of Muslims are known to say that wife should obey husband? It's intentionally misleading. I'm also wary of the way they interpreted the source. It's based off [URL="http://www.pewforum.org/2013/04/30/the-worlds-muslims-religion-politics-society-overview/"]this[/URL] 2013 study, and from what I see, the picture is blatantly not realizing the depth of the study itself. It's throwing in a whole slew of numbers, and it's resulted in something that doesn't make an ounce of sense. Also, that title the quotes "moderate" is making me chuckle a little bit. It's like something you'd find in your Facebook wall from a little-nutty, reactionary grandpappy, honestly. Unless you can bring some analysis with that picture, I'm just going to see it as something that shouldn't be taken seriously.

[QUOTE=Omilinon;51984540]This is an extraordinarily misleading picture, and I wouldn't even claim that it was a fault of Pew Research, but whoever was the person who made it. Not only does Pew Research Center [I]not[/I] utilize Indian Muslims as a part of their studies, or Algeria, China, Iran, Saudi Arabia, Sudan, Syria and Yemen (which is a [I]significant[/I] deviation), but anyone who is statistically mind knows that this is kind of impossible when you even think about what this picture is trying to tell your for a measly second. How is it possible that 1.39 billion of Muslims are known to say that wife should obey husband? It's intentionally misleading. I'm also wary of the way they interpreted the source. It's based off [URL="http://www.pewforum.org/2013/04/30/the-worlds-muslims-religion-politics-society-overview/"]this[/URL] 2013 study, and from what I see, the picture is blatantly not realizing the depth of the study itself. It's throwing in a whole slew of numbers, and it's resulted in something that doesn't make an ounce of sense. Also, that title the quotes "moderate" is making me chuckle a little bit. It's like something you'd find in your Facebook wall from a little-nutty, reactionary grandpappy, honestly. Unless you can bring some analysis with that picture, I'm just going to see it as something that shouldn't be taken seriously.[/QUOTE] It's not intentionally misleading because they were prevented from surveying them because of safety concerns. Either way as you should have read in the report the countries in which surveys were conducted comprise 2/3 of the total muslim population. None of this is taken out of context so I don't see how you could say it doesnt make "an ounce of sense". [quote]Also, that title the quotes "moderate" is making me chuckle a little bit. It's like something you'd find in your Facebook wall from a little-nutty, reactionary grandpappy, honestly.[/quote] Not an argument. Try actually refuting the numbers.