Justice system scrutinized: Woman hires hitman but goes free

[Impact1986]

[QUOTE] It’s the plot of a seedy Hollywood thriller.

Nicole Ryan, a small town school teacher from Digby County, N.S, was desperate to escape a loveless marriage.

But rather than go for a divorce, she decided it would be more expedient to have her husband murdered.

So she hired a hit man to kill Mike Ryan for a cool $25,000.

However, the man simply took the money and bolted.

But that didn’t stop the woman, who appeared hell bent on murder. She kept shopping around the county for an assassin, and after two more failed attempts, she reeled in a trigger man. Or at least she thought he had.

Unfortunately for Nicole, and luckily for Mike, the would-be killer turned out to be an undercover RCMP officer posing as a gun for hire.

At a meeting outside a gas station in March 2008, Nicole tells him: “I need the job done. I need it done this weekend.”

The hitman asks about Mike Ryan’s new, 19-year-old girlfriend. “If she’s in the way, is that a problem?” Nicole shakes her head, no.

The undercover cop also asks: “Any beatings? Like did he beat you or anything? Every laid a hand on ya?”

Nicole responds: “No.”

She then tells the cop that she’d been planning the hit for the past seven months. And he elicits a possible motive: Money.

With her husband out of the way, she stands to inherit three properties and his $500,000 military pension. Mike Ryan is worth well over $1,000,000 dead.

Nicole drives to her home in Church Point to get photographs of her husband. She has no idea that she is under secret surveillance by Mounties in unmarked cars.

At the second clandestine meeting hours later, she provides the would-be assassin with photos of her husband’s house, his vehicle, his cell phone number and a physical description of Mike Ryan.

Then within minutes of leaving the car, Nicole Ryan is arrested. The next day, she is taken to court and charged with counselling to commit murder.

A month later, Herbie Boudreau, her father, who allegedly put up the hit money, is also charged with the same offence.

For the prosecution, the case was straight forward. No way they could lose, or at least that’s what they thought.

In the 21 months between her attempt to have her husband killed, and her trial, Nicole Ryan got divorced, reverted to her family name, Doucet, and radically changed her story: levelling allegations against Mike Ryan that had never been heard before. Not by the police, her therapists, or in family court during divorce or custody hearings over their young daughter.

At her trial in 2009, Nicole pleaded not guilty claiming that she had been under duress when she committed the crime. She alleged that Mike Ryan was a violent and abusive husband; and that for nearly 15 years he threatened and bullied her. She swore that he had pinned her up against the wall, squeezed her throat and had put a gun to her head.

She also testified that she was afraid for her herself and for their young daughter, Aimee, adding that the RCMP had ignored her many pleas for protection.

Former RCMP Cpl. Chris Thibeaudeau sat through the trial, stunned at what he was hearing.

“I’m like, first time I hear this. Like we’re like dumbfounded basically,” he told W5 in an interview.

Read more: [url]http://www.ctvnews.ca/w5/justice-system-scrutinized-woman-hires-hitman-but-goes-free-1.2079731#ixzz3Hu6Rdo9Z[/url]

[/QUOTE]

[Secrios]

I don't know if this story covers the evils of the victim card or being desperately stupid. Though I applaud her insane luck.

[Robber]

I hope she gets the maximum sentence.

[editline]2nd November 2014[/editline]

Also, how can you rate this winner?

[Makindri]

I don't see any other way to fix this other than adopting feminist values.
The faster we become more feminism friendly the faster this shit will stop happening.

[stealth_camo]

[QUOTE=Makindri;46390271]I don't see any other way to fix this other than adopting feminist values.
The faster we become more feminism friendly the faster this shit will stop happening.[/QUOTE]

huh? please explain

[Ownederd]

[QUOTE=Makindri;46390271]I don't see any other way to fix this other than adopting feminist values.
The faster we become more feminism friendly the faster this shit will stop happening.[/QUOTE]

there's nothing feminist about this, she's just insane for even considering a hitman.

[deltasquid]

[QUOTE=Makindri;46390271]I don't see any other way to fix this other than adopting feminist values.
The faster we become more feminism friendly the faster this shit will stop happening.[/QUOTE]

I think I can see where you're coming from but you wrote it in the worst possible way. I admit that the victimization of women in court systems is one of the reasons why women get off the hook with lighter sentences quite often, but there's a lot more going on than just this. This whole trial seems to be a fucking mess.

[Bazsil]

The moral of the story is that if your hitman asks questions, they're not a hitman

Seriously im not exactly an expert in this field but if i hired a hitman and they asked me why i was doing it and where the money came from and what my quarrel was with them, so many alarms would be going off on my head

[Tiesno]

stories like this are honestly one of those things that make me so unbelievably infuriated it's unreal

[Nutcake]

[QUOTE=Bazsil;46390334]Seriously im not exactly an expert in this field [B]but i hired a hitman[/B] and they asked me why i was doing it and where the money came from and what my quarrel was with them, so many alarms would be going off on my head[/QUOTE]

Either you accidentally a word there or you crazy

[Makindri]

[QUOTE=Ownederd;46390289]there's nothing feminist about this, she's just insane for even considering a hitman.[/QUOTE]

I didn't say that she's a feminist, I'm saying that if we had feminist values at the core of the justice system she wouldn't be able to get away with this.

[Dermock]

[QUOTE=Makindri;46390357]I didn't say that she's a feminist, I'm saying that if we had feminist values at the core of the justice system she wouldn't be able to get away with this.[/QUOTE]

Feminism has nothing to do with this discussion. Stop injecting your irrelevant agenda in to this thread.

[Ownederd]

[QUOTE=Makindri;46390357]I didn't say that she's a feminist, I'm saying that if we had feminist values at the core of the justice system she wouldn't be able to get away with this.[/QUOTE]

it's not 'feminist values' if things get skewed.

[Makindri]

[QUOTE=Dermock;46390362]Feminism has nothing to do with this discussion. Stop injecting your irrelevant agenda in to this thread.[/QUOTE]

How is it irrelevant, are you an MRA?

[editline]2nd November 2014[/editline]

[QUOTE=Ownederd;46390363]it's not 'feminist values' if things get skewed.[/QUOTE]

If we had adopted feminist values, men and women would be equal.
She would've gotten the same sentence as a Man.

[Ownederd]

[QUOTE=Makindri;46390364]How is it irrelevant, are you an MRA?

[editline]2nd November 2014[/editline]

If we had adopted feminist values, men and women would be equal.
She would've gotten the same sentence as a Man.[/QUOTE]

are you purposely trying to confuse the shit out of people.

[Makindri]

[QUOTE=Ownederd;46390377]are you purposely trying to confuse the shit out of people.[/QUOTE]

I don't understand how I'm being confusing, she is getting away with the sentence because of values of the patriarchal society.
If we adopt feminist values Shit like this won't happen, how is this confusing?

[Ownederd]

[QUOTE=Makindri;46390384]I don't understand how I'm being confusing, she is getting away with the sentence because of values of the patriarchal society.
If we adopt feminist values Shit like this won't happen, how is this confusing?[/QUOTE]

nevermind i just got sidetracked from how iffy you present things, sorry.

[sir whoopsalot]

[quote]At her trial in 2009, Nicole pleaded not guilty claiming that she had been under duress when she committed the crime.[/quote]
I'm not a law expert by any means but I'm pretty sure duress involves someone forcing you to commit a crime or else.

Unless your hubby forced you to hire a hitman to kill him, perfectly logical.

[Makindri]

[QUOTE=Ownederd;46390391]nevermind i just got sidetracked from how iffy you present things, sorry.[/QUOTE]

I'll work on that, I don't exactly understand how the way I'm presenting is 'iffy' tho

[hrak]

[QUOTE=Makindri;46390384]I don't understand how I'm being confusing, she is getting away with the sentence because of values of the patriarchal society.
If we adopt feminist values Shit like this won't happen, how is this confusing?[/QUOTE]

Yes, a woman is receiving a pass on a murder conspiracy and that's because of the patriarchy. Somehow.

Unbelievable how oppressed womyn are today, huh?

[Recurracy]

[QUOTE=Makindri;46390384]I don't understand how I'm being confusing, she is getting away with the sentence because of values of the patriarchal society.
If we adopt feminist values Shit like this won't happen, how is this confusing?[/QUOTE]
As if the justice system isn't already ridiculously in favor of women, see alimony.
Gender should be completely irrelevant in any trial.

[Dermock]

[QUOTE=Makindri;46390364]How is it irrelevant, are you an MRA?[/QUOTE]

"You think my agenda on feminism in a story that has literally nothing to do with feminism is irrelevant thus you're a MRA!"

Read your own posts, please. I never stated my stance, and my stance on feminism/MRA/etc is also totally irrelevant to this story. And accusing me of being a MRA because I disagree with you is silly. (and despite it being irrelevant, my stance on that guff is egalitarianism)

[QUOTE=Makindri;46390364]If we had adopted feminist values, men and women would be equal.[/QUOTE]
Lets check wikipedia;
[quote]Feminism is a collection of movements and ideologies aimed at defining, establishing, and defending equal political, economic, cultural, and social rights for women.[/quote]

Note the two last words; for women. It's a movement about the advancement of women, and claiming it to be otherwise is simply incorrect. The name even mentions females explicitly. And before you accuse me of saying "feminism r baad!!!" it certainly has advanced women out of a legal/social stoneage since the 60s or so and that is a good thing.

If you truly want equal rights for all and not just a banner to hang over yourself to feel good about, I recommend looking up egalitarianism.

[Curls]

[QUOTE=Ownederd;46390391]nevermind i just got sidetracked from how iffy you present things, sorry.[/QUOTE]

I pretty sure he's just trolling the thread into a feminism debate even though it has no relevance.

[Makindri]

[QUOTE=Dermock;46390414]"You think my agenda on feminism in a story that has literally nothing to do with feminism is irrelevant thus you're a MRA!"

Read your own posts, please. I never stated my stance, and my stance on feminism/MRA/etc is also totally irrelevant to this story. And accusing me of being a MRA because I disagree with you is silly. (and despite it being irrelevant, my stance on that guff is egalitarianism)

Lets check wikipedia;

Note the two last words; for women. It's a movement about the advancement of women, and claiming it to be otherwise is simply incorrect. The name even mentions females explicitly. And before you accuse me of saying "feminism r baad!!!" it certainly has advanced women out of a legal/social stoneage since the 60s or so and that is a good thing.

If you truly want equal rights for all and not just a banner to hang over yourself to feel good about, I recommend looking up egalitarianism.[/QUOTE]
Feminism is egalitarian, male disposability is a patriarchal issue.

forum is full of MRA's

[Dermock]

[QUOTE=Makindri;46390427]Feminism is egalitarian, male disposability is a patriarchal issue.[/QUOTE]

A movement about the advancement of womens rights by definition and name is not a movement about the equalization of men, women, LGBT, etc peoples by definition and name.

While egalitarianism contains feminist values, feminism lacks the majority of values presented in egalitarianism.

(and seriously, this is utterly irrelevant to this thread)

[QUOTE=Makindri;46390427]forum is full of MRA's[/QUOTE]

Please find where I advocated mens rights. I'll buy you train simulator + all DLC if you do.

[hrak]

[QUOTE=Makindri;46390427]Feminism is egalitarian[/QUOTE]

You can say this all you like and it won't become any truer. This is not how arguments work. You need to provide evidence; ie lots of instances of modern feminists campaigning for men's rights.

[QUOTE=Makindri;46390427]male disposability is a patriarchal issue.[/quote]

No it isn't. We've all heard this 'any instance of pro-female sexism is actually caused by the patriarchy' shit and it has as much logic behind it as it did those other times: none.

[Makindri]

[QUOTE=Dermock;46390439]A movement about the advancement of womens rights by definition and name is not a movement about the equalization of men, women, LGBT, peoples by definition and name.

While egalitarianism contains feminist values, feminism the majority of values presented in egalitarianism.

(and seriously, this is utterly irrelevant to this thread)

Please find where I advocated mens rights. I'll buy you train simulator + all DLC if you do.[/QUOTE]

By advancing women, we can equal the genders.
So feminism is egalitarian.
It works towards the equality of men and women.

[hrak]

[QUOTE=Makindri;46390454]By advancing women, we can equal the genders.
So feminism is egalitarian.
It works towards the equality of men and women.[/QUOTE]

1) Who said women have it worse off than men?

2) By name, no, it cannot be egalitarian. Even if woman are indeed worse off.

[Makindri]

[QUOTE=hrak;46390458]1) Who said women have it worse off than men?

2) By name, no, it cannot be egalitarian. Even if woman are indeed worse off.[/QUOTE]
Are you seriously saying that women aren't being oppressed in society.
what kind of fantasy are you living in?

[Dermock]

[QUOTE=Makindri;46390454]By advancing women, we can equal the genders.
So feminism is egalitarian.
It works towards the equality of men and women.[/QUOTE]

What about aspects where women are at the advantage while men are at the disadvantage? eg; public perception of ACCUSED (not convicted before you call me a rape apologist) rapists, the lower female conviction rate of violent crimes, preference towards mothers/women in child custody trials, and of course my favorite topic, the male-only military draft in many countries.

[editline]2nd November 2014[/editline]

[QUOTE=Makindri;46390462]Are you seriously saying that women aren't being oppressed in society.
what kind of fantasy are you living in?[/QUOTE]

See my post.