[quote]EUGENE, Ore. -- Every Sunday from noon to 4pm, volunteers gather at their “mobile clinic” to make a difference, and offer free healthcare in downtown Eugene, Ore. What started as a temporary first aid tent along the Occupy Eugene movement in October 2011 became the Occupy Medical clinic in February 2012...
...With around 30 volunteers, including ten nurses, three doctors, three people on the herbal supplement team, four people in the mental health committee and two people on the pharmacy team, Occupy Medical provides 100 percent free treatment. If the volunteers can't offer the service needed, they also go “behind the scenes” in other organizations to help people through it.[/quote]
it's holistic(meaning a lot of it is bunk), but they do offer pharma's and they have legit doctors. pretty good deed they are doing.
oh i knew i forgot something!
[url]http://www.kval.com/news/local/Occupy-Medical-goes-mobile-If-you-need-help-you-get-help-198618321.html[/url]
"herbal supplement team"
is that just a fancy way of describing Holland and Barrett?
Even though holistic medicines are usually placebo or not very effective... it's free. Can't complain.
[QUOTE=.Isak.;40008408]Even though holistic medicines are usually placebo or not very effective... it's free. Can't complain.[/QUOTE]
Free or not, it may give people a sense of healing, despite the fact that a disease/infection continues to cause them more harm.
It will cost more than just money if you make that mistake.
[QUOTE=.Isak.;40008408]Even though holistic medicines are usually placebo or not very effective... it's free. Can't complain.[/QUOTE]
placebo is better than nothing
also i can't help but find absurd how the US is the only first-world country without universal health care... and that there is enough support for that to continue lol.
not all of it is bunk. a lot of it is herbal and herbal remedies can often be effective. homeopathy is total bullshit though.
at least the homeopathy is a choice and not necessarily the doctrine.
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it depends on context. you aren't gonna get rid of cancer through supplements, but you might be able to help ease your pain or speed natural healing processes through herbal supplements.
[QUOTE=Wizards Court;40008432]placebo is better than nothing[/QUOTE]
uh no, thinking you're being cured when it's only placebo is why medical pseudoscience kills
[QUOTE=yawmwen;40008434]not all of it is bunk. a lot of it is herbal and herbal remedies can often be effective. homeopathy is total bullshit though.
at least the homeopathy is a choice and not necessarily the doctrine.[/QUOTE]
Well, the holistic approach is generally considered to be a legit technique when used in conjunction with other medicines. Just giving someone a massage isn't going to cure the flu.
Gotta love volunteers doing good for society. How could anybody [I]possibly complain about this?[/I]
[QUOTE=Greenen72;40008445]uh no, thinking you're being cured when it's only placebo is why medical pseudoscience kills[/QUOTE]
i'm not defending placebo over actual treatment, but when you have literally no options, at least it gives some peace of mind.
[QUOTE=Wizards Court;40008471]i'm not defending placebo over actual treatment, but when you have literally no options, at least it gives some peace of mind.[/QUOTE]
it is 100% unethical to offer placebo as treatment, no matter what kind of peace of mind it may give. Ignoring ethical issues, it only takes one person to say "wow this pill cured my X" to have more people ignoring actual treatment for a placebo
[QUOTE=Dr. Ethan Asia;40008446]Well, the holistic approach is generally considered to be a legit technique when used in conjunction with other medicines. Just giving someone a massage isn't going to cure the flu.[/QUOTE]
it's all contextual. holistic medicine is not 100% effective. some treatments are certainly effective, other treatments are bullshit.
anything homeopathic is 100% bullshit though, i'll stand by that.
[media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BWE1tH93G9U[/media]
[QUOTE=Wizards Court;40008471]i'm not defending placebo over actual treatment, but when you have literally no options, at least it gives some peace of mind.[/QUOTE]
Peace of mind when one is at risk of infecting others is the last thing anyone should want. Ignorance may be bliss, but it'll screw everyone over in the end.
[QUOTE=yawmwen;40008501]it's all contextual. holistic medicine is not 100% effective. some treatments are certainly effective, other treatments are bullshit.
anything homeopathic is 100% bullshit though, i'll stand by that.
[media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BWE1tH93G9U[/media][/QUOTE]
Holistic health isn't homoeopathy - it refers to that concept of medicine concerned with the physical effects of a psychological state. There are branches that contend illness is the result of imbalances in society, one's emotions or spirit, and a variety of other bullshit. The former is considered legit - it makes sense that there are going to be psychosomatic effects in medicine, that's why cancer patients are told not to 'give up' and remain positive. The latter is, obviously, not.
[QUOTE=yawmwen;40008375][B]it's holistic[/B](meaning a lot of it is bunk), but they do offer pharma's and they have [B]legit doctors.[/B] pretty good deed they are doing.
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Pretty sure Holistic Legit Doctors is an oxymoron.
holistic and homeopathic medicine are generally related. although not all holistic remedies are homeopathic, they are culturally linked.
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[QUOTE=RayvenQ;40008569]Pretty sure Holistic Legit Doctors is an oxymoron.[/QUOTE]
nah holistic medicine is acceptable for certain treatments. holistic medicine is more of a philosophy rather than a specific type of medicine. some treatments are effective for various ailments.
How can anybody defend Homeopathy? That's irrational. I can understand herbal remedies, alot of them have worked for centuries but alot of them are also complete Bs.
James Randy on Homeopathy.
[video=youtube;BWE1tH93G9U]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BWE1tH93G9U[/video]
[QUOTE=yawmwen;40008434]not all of it is bunk. a lot of it is herbal and herbal remedies can often be effective. homeopathy is total bullshit though.
at least the homeopathy is a choice and not necessarily the doctrine.
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it depends on context. you aren't gonna get rid of cancer through supplements, but you might be able to help ease your pain or speed natural healing processes through herbal supplements.[/QUOTE]
Thing is, though, herbal remedies that work became medicine; we identify the active ingredient, isolate it, and produce it on a large scale. I'd rather take an aspirin pill than willow bark, for example.
Only things I see proclaiming to be herbal medicine nowadays seem to be the things that science has rejected, or whose evidence of efficacy is sketchy at best.
You know, you pay for the care AFTER you get it, so there's not really any excuse to say "US so fucked", the reason prices are so high, is the amount of people who go in, and then use fake information (or stolen credentials), so they never get caught with the fee. Hospitals have pretty damn reasonable financing options.
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