Harvard study finds that just 1.1% of vapers are previously non-smokers - Polidicks

alternative title: governments can now fuck off with fearmongering 'gateway' theories [quote]Electronic cigarettes are not a "gateway" to smoking normal cigarettes with just 1% of non-smokers having tried them, according to the largest ever EU study published on the subject. The findings in the Journal of Tobacco Studies, which assessed 26,500 consumers across Europe, "verifies" that vapers will not move onto conventional cigarettes. Researchers from the Harvard School of Public Health found e-cigarette users were mostly young aged between 15 and 24 and were heavy smokers who switched to electronic cigs in order to quit real ones.[/quote] [URL="http://www.ibtimes.co.uk/harvard-study-e-cigarettes-not-gateway-smoking-1453493"]sauce[/URL]

Honestly the theory that they're a gateway is fucking stupid because you can get them for way cheaper. [editline]20th June 2014[/editline] Like oh man I'm just gonna have these things that are eight times the space of what I formerly had and are a single thing rather than whatever I feel like at the time.

I feel like this is a giant 'no shit' moment. I didn't even know that it was a thing that people thought that could even happen.

[QUOTE=ForgottenKane;45169636]I feel like this is a giant 'no shit' moment. I didn't even know that it was a thing that people thought that could even happen.[/QUOTE] Every thing-we-don't-like is a gateway to thing-society-agrees-is-bad, if you have no morals and want change. E-cigs are a gateway to two-pack-a-day habits. Weed is a gateway drug to taking crack. Drinking milk is a gateway to sucking dick and swallowing. The sad and foolish thing is, humans fall for this all the time.

The slippery-slope argument has always been pathetically flawed, is all it amounts down to.

[QUOTE=elixwhitetail;45169675]E-cigs are a gateway to two-pack-a-day habits. Weed is a gateway drug to taking crack. Drinking milk is a gateway to sucking dick and swallowing.[/QUOTE] That escalated quickly.

[QUOTE=Bradyns;45169851]That escalated quickly.[/QUOTE] Semen is milked from the dick therefore semen is milk.

[QUOTE=ForgottenKane;45169636]I feel like this is a giant 'no shit' moment. I didn't even know that it was a thing that people thought that could even happen.[/QUOTE] video games are a gateway drug to mass shootings, texting is a gateway to rape, e-cigs are a gateway drug to heroin, gay marrage is a gateway to bestiality, its all the same regurgitated shit that really scares the voters into submission

[QUOTE=elixwhitetail;45169675]Every thing-we-don't-like is a gateway to thing-society-agrees-is-bad, if you have no morals and want change. E-cigs are a gateway to two-pack-a-day habits. Weed is a gateway drug to taking crack. Drinking milk is a gateway to sucking dick and swallowing. The sad and foolish thing is, humans fall for this all the time.[/QUOTE] I thought we agreed as a society that swallowing is good.

Unless I'm reading the article wrong, the headline should be changed. 1.1% of current E-cig smokers aren't former non-smokers, 1.1% of non-smokers have tried an E-cig.

[QUOTE=GoDong-DK;45170367]Unless I'm reading the article wrong, the headline should be changed. 1.1% of current E-cig smokers aren't former non-smokers, 1.1% of non-smokers have tried an E-cig.[/QUOTE] A bit poorly worded on my part, should be fixed. edit: apparently not, it is fixed in the editor though

Thread title changes usually require a mod. In some subforums, you get a 5-minute grace period after posting.

Why would it ever be a gateway? I mean, shouldn't it be the exact reverse? My dad quit smoking traditional cigs a year ago and now only uses a vape.

I'm not sure why anyone believed it would be a gateway. Vaporized nicotine is essentially cutting the middleman out of smoking - that middleman being the combustion of tobacco to get nicotine in your bloodstream. The Japanese have been doing this for years, they have nicotine chewing gum readily available, nicotine energy drinks (quite popular iirc), nicotine hard candies etc. Unless someone had a particular fondness for tobacco, and I doubt anyone does unless you're purchasing the really high quality stuff - which doesn't tend to be readily available in a liquor store or gas station - I don't see how you would "upgrade" considering you're generally buying less nicotine with a pack of cigarettes than you would be capable of getting for cheaper with e-cigs.

Yeah, as somebody who switched to a vaporizer to use as a crutch for quitting, I cannot fucking imagine somebody starting out with a vaporizer and going, "you know, this simply is not expensive enough and it doesn't generate nearly the amount of garbage with it's use that I want it to, I'll switch to cigarettes!" There is literally nobody who would do that, ever, so I'm not sure how the hell anyone even thought up the "gateway" thing. I'm not sure how people buy into the theory because smoking is pretty well-known in today's society, I think everyone knows how expensive cigarettes are even if they've never used them. Personally I think vaporizers are fucking awesome. I haven't touched my vaporizer for almost two weeks now, and I don't really have an urge to do so. I smoked cigarettes since I was thirteen, I'm twenty-seven now, and I've managed to actually quit without being a jittery wreck this time. (quit cold turkey when I was younger, was not fun)

[QUOTE=JumpinJackFlash;45173205]Yeah, as somebody who switched to a vaporizer to use as a crutch for quitting, I cannot fucking imagine somebody starting out with a vaporizer and going, "you know, this simply is not expensive enough and it doesn't generate nearly the amount of garbage with it's use that I want it to, I'll switch to cigarettes!" There is literally nobody who would do that, ever, so I'm not sure how the hell anyone even thought up the "gateway" thing. I'm not sure how people buy into the theory because smoking is pretty well-known in today's society, I think everyone knows how expensive cigarettes are even if they've never used them. Personally I think vaporizers are fucking awesome. I haven't touched my vaporizer for almost two weeks now, and I don't really have an urge to do so. I smoked cigarettes since I was thirteen, I'm twenty-seven now, and I've managed to actually quit without being a jittery wreck this time. (quit cold turkey when I was younger, was not fun)[/QUOTE] Well not literally nobody, people who enjoy smoking quality tobacco would still do so, but those aren't in the majority by far. And most people who smoke tobacco for the sake of smoking tobacco do it through pipes not prepackaged rolled cigarettes.

[QUOTE=dilzinyomouth;45173238]Well not literally nobody, people who enjoy smoking quality tobacco would still do so, but those aren't in the majority by far. And most people who smoke tobacco for the sake of smoking tobacco do it through pipes not prepackaged rolled cigarettes.[/QUOTE]That's not really what I meant. Not smokers who go to vaping, I mean people who are entirely new to breathing in small particles for recreation choosing the vaporizer option. Even if they did decide to "graduate" to smoking, I think they'd go with something other than cigarettes. I can't entirely agree that they'd go with pipes, there's a significant cigar market geared specifically toward what we're talking about.

I like vapor because of the flavors, but my friends and I only do the flavored vapor and not those nicotine ones. The thought of using e-cigs if you are a non smoker is stupiid to me.

[QUOTE=Crash155;45173739]I like vapor because of the flavors, but my friends and I only do the flavored vapor and not those nicotine ones. The thought of using e-cigs if you are a non smoker is stupiid to me.[/QUOTE] Why? You said it yourself you only do it for the flavours.

[QUOTE=Pepsi-cola;45173752]Why? You said it yourself you only do it for the flavours.[/QUOTE] The vapor pens I use are not those e-cigs, though. They contain no nicotine, only the flavor

[QUOTE=elixwhitetail;45169675]Every thing-we-don't-like is a gateway to thing-society-agrees-is-bad, if you have no morals and want change. E-cigs are a gateway to two-pack-a-day habits. Weed is a gateway drug to taking crack. Drinking milk is a gateway to sucking dick and swallowing. The sad and foolish thing is, humans fall for this all the time.[/QUOTE] and i just HAD to read this thread while eating breakfast [editline]21st June 2014[/editline] i think i just made eye contact while drinking help i'm turning gay

[QUOTE=Paul McCartney;45169901]Semen is milked from the dick therefore semen is milk.[/QUOTE] milk male cows

[QUOTE=Crash155;45173764]The vapor pens I use are not those e-cigs, though. They contain no nicotine, only the flavor[/QUOTE] And some people like the feelings of nicotine like you enjoy the taste. I was a "nonsmoker" (Cigars every once in a while) and I now use a 24mg Nicotine E-Cig and love it.

it's a damn shame it's dragging more people into the habit.

I am the 1.1 percent.