Woman Killed When Police Officer’s Gun Goes Off During Embrace - Polidicks

[img]http://cmsimg.freep.com/apps/pbcsi.dll/bilde?Site=C4&Date=20120708&Category=NEWS01&ArtNo=120708029&Ref=AR&MaxW=300&Border=0&Woman-hugs-off-duty-Detroit-police-officer-151-dies-after-his-gun-goes-off[/img] [quote] Yolanda McNair wants to know why she is planning a funeral for her daughter Adaisha Miller rather than a birthday celebration today. “The story keeps changing,” McNair said. “There’s no logical reason.” Miller, who would have turned 25 today, was fatally shot early Sunday morning while attending a party on Archdale in Detroit. Police reports say she was killed when an off-duty Detroit police officer’s pistol fired as she embraced him. “Instead of giving her a party this week, I’m planning her obituary and funeral,” said McNair as she sat on her west-side Detroit front porch Sunday evening with solemn relatives, neighbors and friends. The police news release called the 12:30 a.m. shooting “a tragic incident,” but McNair said she cannot understand how it occurred. Police said that Miller hugged the officer -- whose name has not been released -- from behind as he was dancing, and the gun discharged. However, McNair said she also was told her daughter “was being a little flirty” with the officer and the gun fired as they were in a face-to-face hug. If you’re at a party, she asked, “why do you need a weapon with a round in the chamber?” Police spokeswoman Sgt. Eren Stephens said officers have the option of carrying a gun off-duty but there is no requirement for them to be armed. A departmental investigation is being conducted by internal affairs, and the officer will be assigned to administrative duties during the probe, Stephens said. The Wayne County Prosecutor’s Office will conduct a separate, independent review of the shooting, said office spokeswoman Maria Miller. Such reviews are standard for shootings involving police officers. McNair endorsed a second investigation: “Yes, take it to the full extent.” Miller’s younger brother Shane Miller, 23, said he also wants answers from the officer: “My sister is dead and you’re alive walking around -- like you didn’t even know what happened?” John Goldpaugh, a lawyer for the Detroit Police Officers Association, said, “This was just a freak accident. “They were having a party and the next thing, a woman is dead. He’s devastated by what happened.” Goldpaugh, who spent several hours with the officer after the shooting, said the veteran beat patrolman was hosting a party at his home and was dancing with his wife when Miller came up behind him and tugged at his waist. “And the gun went off,” Goldpaugh said. “It’s a fluke accidental shooting.” The weapon, a department-issued, 40-caliber Smith & Wesson semiautomatic pistol, was in a holster worn inside the officer’s waistband and was covered by his shirt, Goldpaugh said. Goldpaugh said the physical evidence from the incident corroborated the officer’s account of the shooting. The officer did not know the woman, who attended the party with other guests, Goldpaugh said. Miller was a certified massage therapist, her mother said, and a young woman with “a gentle heart who was giving to anybody.” McNair said she waved good-bye to her daughter Saturday evening as she left for the party. “Then I saw her at the morgue,” McNair said. Miller must have been thinking of her grandmother who died in 2010, McNair said. “And there was a smile on her face.”[/quote] [url]http://www.freep.com/article/20120708/NEWS01/120708029/Woman-hugs-off-duty-Detroit-police-officer-151-dies-after-his-gun-goes-off?odyssey=mod|mostview[/url] :(

I take it "Safety Dance" wasn't on the playlist. [sub][sub]I'm a terrible person[/sub][/sub] In all seriousness, this is a freak accident. Right before her birthday, too. How sad.

He should get manslaughter. Leaving a loaded and ready pistol is reckless and terrible. [sub][sub][sub][sub][i]Is that a gun in your pocket or are you happy to see me?[/i][/sub][/sub][/sub][/sub]

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Terrible accident. Hope he gets fired, you just don't hang around with an armed gun, especially when you're a cop and have had intensive training with firearms. But once again that's an accident, so hopefuly the judge won't be too harsh.

[QUOTE=Zambies!;36690629]He should get manslaughter. Leaving a loaded and ready pistol is reckless and terrible.[/QUOTE] It isn't if you do it right. In the event you need to actually use the gun, you might not have time to flip the safety off. That split second could be the difference between life and death (especially in a city like Detroit). That's why many police officers use Glocks with double action triggers that count as a safety and a trigger in one motion. If that's what this guy had, then she must have been some kind of contortionist to be able to hug him while getting her finger to pull both triggers.

Aren't those guns supposed to be on safety unless firing is authorized?

[quote]Miller’s younger brother Shane Miller, 23, said he also wants answers from the officer: “My sister is dead and you’re alive walking around -- like you didn’t even know what happened?”[/quote] ... What?

[QUOTE=ratman_122;36690770]It isn't if you do it right. In the event you need to actually use the gun, you might not have time to flip the safety off. That split second could be the difference between life and death (especially in a city like Detroit). That's why many police officers use Glocks with double action triggers that count as a safety and a trigger in one motion. If that's what this guy had, then she must have been some kind of contortionist to be able to hug him while getting her finger to pull both triggers.[/QUOTE] From the Article: [quote]The weapon, a department-issued, 40-caliber Smith & Wesson semiautomatic pistol, [/quote]

[QUOTE=RayvenQ;36690962]From the Article:[/QUOTE] It must have been one hell of a hug, those S&W's have a pretty hefty trigger pull along with a glock style trigger safety. The Sigma and M&P series pistols don't have flip safeties, only glock style trigger safeties.

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it's gotta be a mechanical failure or an intentional shooting, those guns don't just go off at the slightest bump like some guns do.

It was a fucking party, there HAS to be more witnesses.

How did he carry the fucking gun, muzzle pointing straight out?

[QUOTE=Lalelalala;36691835]How did he carry the fucking gun, muzzle pointing straight out?[/QUOTE] A lot of pistol mounts are actually pointed away from the user to prevent misfires from shooting the owner in the thigh and hitting major arteries.

Why wasn't the gun on safety?

I'd have more sympathy for her except the story says she put her hands on him, so the gunshot was caused by her actions. What if someone is carrying a syringe in their pocket and you grab them and get stuck, who is at fault? I'd say the person doing the grabbing. In her case she had the bad luck of grabbing a guy who is compensating for his small penis by bringing a gun to a party.

This doesn't seem to add up at all.

Sounds like she bumped the trigger when she hugged him... Which doesn't add up unless he was using a holster that was either for a different firearm or did not meet safety standards. Considering this was department issue, I seriously doubt this was the case. If so though, he could be held liable. Otherwise, this shooting was not his responsibility.

[QUOTE=The Baconator;36692285]Why wasn't the gun on safety?[/QUOTE] S&W semi autos have trigger safeties like glocks, there is no switch safety. This boggles my mind even more. In order for this gun to go off something must have been in the trigger and pressed down with enough force to pull the trigger (which is a feat in it's own seeing as S&W's usually have pretty hefty trigger pull).

I'm figuring either A) the holster sucks, B) she was trying to grab the pistol for whatever reason (probably shiggles), or C) a combination of option A and her accidentally bumping the pistol really hard while hugging the officer I've heard some horror stories about pistols going off in a holster, when my dad was doing S.W.A.T. training exercises and was scaling a mountain with his team, a bush snagged onto their medic's leg holster and somehow discharged his pistol, and the round went into his leg, practically tearing his calf off. They had to scale the rest of the mountain and get the medic to a flat plateau because they were in such a wooded area that if they tried to go down and get to a clear spot it would've taken longer.

[QUOTE=cecilbdemodded;36692338]compensating for his small penis by bringing a gun to a party.[/QUOTE] Appparently you've never heard of an organization called [b]the fucking police[/b]

[QUOTE=UncleJimmema;36692669]S&W semi autos have trigger safeties like glocks, there is no switch safety. This boggles my mind even more. In order for this gun to go off something must have been in the trigger and pressed down with enough force to pull the trigger (which is a feat in it's own seeing as S&W's usually have pretty hefty trigger pull).[/QUOTE] Possible she knocked the gun in just the right way for the firing pin to slap the bullet?

[QUOTE=Andokool12;36690948]... What?[/QUOTE] Sounds like she is trying to blame him.

[QUOTE=cecilbdemodded;36692338]I'd have more sympathy for her except the story says she put her hands on him, so the gunshot was caused by her actions. What if someone is carrying a syringe in their pocket and you grab them and get stuck, who is at fault? I'd say the person doing the grabbing. In her case she had the bad luck of grabbing a guy who [b]is compensating for his small penis by bringing a gun to a party[/b].[/QUOTE] Uh....

Dumbass cop. You A: Don't carry a gun to a party, B: Don't carry it in such a manner that the trigger could be pulled in a hug, and C: [b]don't carry it into a party in that manner with one in the fucking chamber.[/b] He definitely needs some sort of punishment. Maybe something that bars him from owning firearms, since he clearly isn't capable of carrying them safely and using basic common sense.[QUOTE=Sottalytober;36693729]Possible she knocked the gun in just the right way for the firing pin to slap the bullet?[/QUOTE] Maybe. Primers are designed to need a bit of a whack to go off, though, to avoid this entirely. Even guns that are prone to it are notoriously difficult to actually get a misfire from on cue.

[QUOTE=ratman_122;36690770]It isn't if you do it right. In the event you need to actually use the gun, you might not have time to flip the safety off. That split second could be the difference between life and death (especially in a city like Detroit). That's why many police officers use Glocks with double action triggers that count as a safety and a trigger in one motion. If that's what this guy had, then she must have been some kind of contortionist to be able to hug him while getting her finger to pull both triggers.[/QUOTE] if you know your weapon well enough its easy to flip the safety off while drawing it

[QUOTE=Sottalytober;36693729]Possible she knocked the gun in just the right way for the firing pin to slap the bullet?[/QUOTE] I don't think Motown officers carry Type 94s

[QUOTE=TestECull;36694697]Dumbass cop. You A: Don't carry a gun to a party[/QUOTE] It's hard to carry a gun for self defense when it's not actually on your person. You've seen the stories about shootings erupting at parties. Surely if the officer was armed during one of those scenarios he would have a much better chance at protecting the attendants than if he wasn't carrying. There's no reason not to carry at the party.

[url=http://www.clickondetroit.com/news/Off-duty-Detroit-police-officer-s-gun-goes-off-kills-woman/-/1719418/15442732/-/hav3lz/-/index.html]My local news just ran this story,[/url] they showed images of the holster, it was neoprene, really flimsy, I wouldn't be surprised if she did accidentally trigger it through the holster.