May refuses Netanyahu's call to impose new sanctions on Iran - Polidicks

[url]https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2017/feb/06/may-refuses-netanyahus-impose-new-sanctions-iran-israel-trump-middle-east[/url] [QUOTE]Theresa May has resisted pressure to re-examine the viability of the international nuclear deal with Iran from her Israeli counterpart, Benjamin Netanyahu, who urged her to follow Donald Trump’s example by imposing fresh sanctions[/QUOTE]

What a bunch of idiots. Trump and the israelis. The israelis want an impossible dream: Being the only nuclear power in the region. That's stupid and they risk the region FUBAR because they could only do it via military pressure. They threw in a fit and cried over the deal because they felt they were being relegated to a second place when in fact the deal is the best thing that could have happened. Sometimes I wonder if the Israelis are actually trying to have less enemies or they want to create enemies...puzzling...

[QUOTE=Cutthecrap;51789101]What a bunch of idiots. Trump and the israelis. The israelis want an impossible dream: Being the only nuclear power in the region. That's stupid and they risk the region FUBAR because they could only do it via military pressure. They threw in a fit and cried over the deal because they felt they were being relegated to a second place when in fact the deal is the best thing that could have happened. Sometimes I wonder if the Israelis are actually trying to have less enemies or they want to create enemies...puzzling...[/QUOTE]they want to retake the promise land, Jerusalem, because it will bring about the end times. Jesus will be resurrected and fight the antichrist, Armageddon will occur and all non-believers will perish whilst those who are worthy will be saved and live forever in heaven. AMEN

[QUOTE=Cutthecrap;51789101] Sometimes I wonder if the Israelis are actually trying to have less enemies or they want to create enemies...puzzling...[/QUOTE] Only daily calls for the end of Israel by the Iranian Government and you think Israel is trying to create enemies?

[QUOTE=Killer900;51789316]they want to retake the promise land, Jerusalem, because it will bring about the end times. Jesus will be resurrected and fight the antichrist, Armageddon will occur and all non-believers will perish whilst those who are worthy will be saved and live forever in heaven. AMEN[/QUOTE] But they're Jewish, the new testament is basically null.

[QUOTE=DogGunn;51789326]Only daily calls for the end of Israel by the Iranian Government and you think Israel is trying to create enemies?[/QUOTE] I would worry more about actions and actual politics than just what PARTS of the Iranian government SAY. Every move is political. Purely political.

[QUOTE=Cutthecrap;51789681]I would worry more about actions and actual politics than just what PARTS of the Iranian government SAY. Every move is political. Purely political.[/QUOTE] And Israel's isn't? No, they're stupid because their move is political, and they're actively trying to make enemies... as you said. Come on mate, get real. The Iranians are clearly a threat - they are known to actively train, sponsor and fund terrorist organisations.

[QUOTE=Killer900;51789316]they want to retake the promise land, Jerusalem, because it will bring about the end times. Jesus will be resurrected and fight the antichrist, Armageddon will occur and all non-believers will perish whilst those who are worthy will be saved and live forever in heaven. AMEN[/QUOTE] that is not the israeli govt position, it is the position of American evangelicals who support Israel. There;s a major difference [editline]7th February 2017[/editline] [QUOTE=Cutthecrap;51789681]I would worry more about actions and actual politics than just what PARTS of the Iranian government SAY. Every move is political. Purely political.[/QUOTE] Iran supports Hezbollah and Hamas. Even without all the "death to israel" shitposting, they are still dangerous, esp since both Hezbollah and Hamas are major anti israel terror groups

[QUOTE=DogGunn;51789821]And Israel's isn't? No, they're stupid because their move is political, and they're actively trying to make enemies... as you said. Come on mate, get real. The Iranians are clearly a threat - they are known to actively train, sponsor and fund terrorist organisations.[/QUOTE] Israel isn't...what? do you mean, isn't political? So what? The US also sponsored terrorist groups. Russia sponsors terrorist groups. Israel even sponsored terrorists groups and played the dumb guy when terrorists were killing 3000 guys in front of their eyes. Last time I checked the guys who are fighting ISIS actively and are sending aid to the Shias aren't the Israeli. Israel wants to remain the sole power on the region and do whatever the fuck they want. The iranians have all the rights to develop nuclear power. Why should Israel be the sole power on the region with nuclear power when they are also stepping on human rights all the time? If I were a Jew caring only about the "survival" of Israel, then fuck Iran. But as someone is more worried about everybody living in a better world and the world having some peace, Israel's position is not aligned with that, sadly.

[QUOTE=Cutthecrap;51790498]So what? The US also sponsored terrorist groups. Russia sponsors terrorist groups. Israel even sponsored terrorists groups and played the dumb guy when terrorists were killing 3000 guys in front of their eyes. Last time I checked the guys who are fighting ISIS actively and are sending aid to the Shias aren't the Israeli.[/QUOTE] Let me guess, Israel is ISIS too? What is your point though - what you've said is classic Whataboutism - something even Trump is used to denegrade the US now. [QUOTE=Cutthecrap;51790498]Israel wants to remain the sole power on the region and do whatever the fuck they want. The iranians have all the rights to develop nuclear power. Why should Israel be the sole power on the region with nuclear power when they are also stepping on human rights all the time?[/quote] Yeah right... because the development of nuclear power is the issue - totally - like everyone believes, considering how violent and yet relatively advanced Iran is, all they ever wanted was nuclear power. Get real. No nation in the world that constantly threatens others, simply for existing, should ever have the ability to enrich uranium without being checked upon. The sanctions on Iran are legitimate. They currently are an enemy of the western world. [QUOTE=Cutthecrap;51790498]If I were a Jew caring only about the "survival" of Israel, then fuck Iran. But as someone is more worried about everybody living in a better world and the world having some peace, Israel's position is not aligned with that, sadly.[/QUOTE] Israel is producing a better world through technological advancement and the fact they're still the only decent democracy in the region. Don't kid yourself by thinking that Israel is the cause of world angst. It is far from it. Iran currently does nothing but promote hatred and fear in the region. [editline]8th February 2017[/editline] After reading your post history (which is all pro-Iran and extremely anti-Israel) I'm led to believe you don't even live on planet Earth.

[QUOTE=Cutthecrap;51790498]Israel isn't...what? do you mean, isn't political? So what? The US also sponsored terrorist groups. Russia sponsors terrorist groups. Israel even sponsored terrorists groups and played the dumb guy when terrorists were killing 3000 guys in front of their eyes. Last time I checked the guys who are fighting ISIS actively and are sending aid to the Shias aren't the Israeli. Israel wants to remain the sole power on the region and do whatever the fuck they want. The iranians have all the rights to develop nuclear power. Why should Israel be the sole power on the region with nuclear power when they are also stepping on human rights all the time? If I were a Jew caring only about the "survival" of Israel, then fuck Iran. But as someone is more worried about everybody living in a better world and the world having some peace, Israel's position is not aligned with that, sadly.[/QUOTE] lol did you just accuse israel of sponsoring 9/11 Israel has much better human rights records than Iran. Israel doesn't send aid to ISIS and we don't fight ISIS because no one wants us to and there's no reason to risk soldiers when your enemies will fight ISIS for you. The reason Israel doesn't want Iran to have nukes is because Iran's leaders are anti semitic and have threatened to wipe Israel off of the map. Nukes are the only way they can do that.

[QUOTE=Sam Za Nemesis;51790874]Are you willing to debate this argument of false information you have? If you look at the history of conflicts in the region Israel has never been on the offensive even back in the Seven Day War, where they gave out most of their territory in exchange for peace and Palestine people in Israel live peacefully with jews[/QUOTE] You should ask the Palestinians massacred by christian terrorists while the Israelis lent a hand to those terrorists and didn't give a fuck about stopping it. See how even people related to Israel don't know about the episode and confuse it with 9/11? I bet everyone on this page didn't know about the even in detail. Then naively say "Oh why are the Palestinians so angry with the Israelis? uuuhhh I guess it must be because they are muslims and the other guys are Jews or because they are angry that Israel defended against their efforts to wipe the jew people from the face of earth". "Being on the offensive", no, if you mean by purely military terms, that's right. But there was political and economic manoeuvring that could actually be considered not so nice to human rights and progress. [QUOTE]The reason Israel doesn't want Iran to have nukes is because Iran's leaders are anti semitic and have threatened to wipe Israel off of the map. Nukes are the only way they can do that. [/QUOTE] So, Pakistan, a country with one hundred million more reasons to wipe the shit out of anything non-muslim and even India, that has nuclear bombs, missiles and planes ready to deploy them, full of the worst terrorist groups you could imagine, directly supporting Taliban efforts at times, in Soviet invasion times and in Coalition forces times, has not detonated a single one, yet you think Iran would be smart enough to fire all their weapons towards Israel.....aham. Interesting. Rouhani anti Semitic? I am surprised. [QUOTE]No nation in the world that constantly threatens others, simply for existing, should ever have the ability to enrich uranium without being checked upon. The sanctions on Iran are legitimate. They currently are an enemy of the western world. [/QUOTE] [B]Do you even know how the deal even works? [/B]The deal wouldn't have possible if the Iranis had elected another guy other than Rouhani. [B]The deal goes both ways.[/B] As long as Iran doesn't do shady shit with their nuclear program and the western powers relax their sanctions, Iran will be allowed to continue with the nuclear program.[B] Iran complied ON EVERYTHING. They reduced the % of enriched uranium, they reduced the number of uranium stockpiles, everything else, they complied on everything....[/B] EVEN the Saudis and israelís recognised that...and you were talking about wanting to blow the shit out of Israel? If you had actually researched the subject, you would know that given the economic progress brought with the removal of sanctions and the integration of Iranian banks to the SWIFT networks and the further development of the non-military nuclear technology and implementation, the moderates in Iran would be far more popular than before as it would have legitimized them in the eyes of the population. Now, guess what happens when you keep bashing Iran and driving their economy down? When you got retards like Trump and Netanyahu, letting their internal politics and stupid prejudice dictate their external politics? Mind you this is not North Korea where all the power is concentrated on a single, small group.... [QUOTE]After reading your post history (which is all pro-Iran and extremely anti-Israel) I'm led to believe you don't even live on planet Earth. [/QUOTE] I am not "Pro Iran". Nice way to distort things, if that somehow helps you. If you asked me, do you approve of the Iran government overall activity, I would answer "no". You see, you people divide stuff into "Anti" and "Pro", like if I were completely against Israel. Am I denying that Israel is providing incredible advances on technology? No. I love that. Am I denying that Israel is the only place in Middle East that [B][U][I]somehow [/I][/U][/B]resembles a western country? No. But that won't hide or diminish the fact that Israel is being a piece of shit towards Palestinians. The way they handle Palestinian politics, the way they treat Palestinian workers in the AREA C, the way they shelter settlers when nobody is looking (Because, let's admit it, the last incident where the IDF pushed back settlers is an isolated case), the way Palestinians don't get any justice if they are expelled from their homes and/or injured by settler actions. If any western government did what the Israelis do with Palestinians everyone would go ape shit. Do you also live in planet earth? Besides, there's a lot of things wrong with Iran, but that doesn't mean they shouldn't have nuclear power. I had to debate for this exact issue in a Int.Rel debate, and all the research my group made and even the arguments the other side gave, everything pointed towards letting Iran have it. The only argument that the other side fired back when they couldn't counter the economic benefits, the political -at a regional and international level- benefits and the social benefits from the deal, was "OMG SOMEBODY THINK ABOUT THE ISRAELI CHILDREN". Funny.

Isn't the hope that by giving Iran some leeway and "bringing them into the fold" they'll chill out with their nutty rhetoric. Give them something to lose if they screw up and they try to not screw up.

[QUOTE=Killer900;51789316]they want to retake the promise land, Jerusalem, because it will bring about the end times. Jesus will be resurrected and fight the antichrist, Armageddon will occur and all non-believers will perish whilst those who are worthy will be saved and live forever in heaven. AMEN[/QUOTE] please provide a source on the scrolls where are the scrolls