[QUOTE=Primigenes;50464423]
Not to mention all the shit talk about how clothes are priced when this is obviously high end clothing. IF you can't afford it just don't buy it
You don't see me going on the Gucci site and complaining about how expensive it is. It's not as if I can't just shop elsewhere.[/QUOTE]
When I hear the words "high end" I'm expecting something decently made, which clearly most of the shit put out by these runaway art student dropouts, can be summed up as anything but that.
[t]http://www.master-furrier.com/media/image/3c/ed/38/2011_11_17_12-06-49-1-075-sable-fur-coat-bargusin.jpg[/t]
This is a high end fur coat made from Sable pelts. That not only requires tons of hours curing the pelts, but it also requires a skilled hand to not break the pelts while stitching them together.
Something like that, is something someone could wear with pride during a harsh winter day, and know for damn sure that they'll keep warm and comfy. Not only because of the furs being used, but because it actually required someone time to make. You can see and feel the amount of craftsmanship those type of clothes have.
Hell, even people working with alligator leather are making better clothes then the runaway dropouts:
[t]https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/736x/e5/46/5a/e5465a9dfd8960f769c3c3a8ebc82122.jpg[/t]
I don't think anyone would purchase those clothes because of the quality. People who do buy these garments are most likely extremely wealthy and don't give a shit about the price.
[QUOTE=JoeSkylynx;50464495]words[/QUOTE]
"what is design?? what is art??? what is making something for a purpose other than pure practicality???"
also why do you keep repeating "runaway art student dropouts"? runway fashion is definitely very linked to art and the most successful designers are basically very successful artists now
which is also the reason why runway fashion isn't made for wearing casually or for function or specific craftmanship like the stuff you've posted
the reason it's so expensive doesn't specifically have to do with the materials or how durable it is. the most popular fashion trends and concepts then get copied by cheap fast fashion outlets like h&m or zara. t h a t s h o w t h i n g s w o r k
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[QUOTE=Primigenes;50464423]I watched this vid a couple hours earlier since I don't really sleep.
To be honest this video made me unsubscribe. Why? Because Grade doesn't research what he talks about before he goes on these tirades and when he comes off saying something ignorant in his very harsh tone it just makes him look like a dickhead.
Mostly because it was like the 3rd or 5th vid I've seen where he talks about things he doesn't really understand and the random Matthew Santoro joke was pretty cheap (That pic he used was from his abuse video too like seriously?). Also the Kanye jab at the end is stupid and completely unneccessary.
Kanye West isn't really a successful fashion designer. That's literally what he's been ranting about for the past couple of years. Like what the fuck did he think "I'm 53 million in debt" is supposed to mean? Kanye tried to start a fashion line and it bombed hard. Mentioning Kanye is so unnecessary in the context of this video. It just seems like he's trying to garner views because its easy to shit talk Kanye. Also whats with the insult towards Kanye's cheeks, like the dude was in a car accident and had surgery.
Also the vitriol is getting tired
Because he's over here shit talking Runaway Shows because he's under the misconception that those are all clothes for casual wear. Runaway Shows are like fucking art exhibits, its not that hard to understand. Nobody wears almost any of that shit outside.
Not to mention all the shit talk about how clothes are priced when this is obviously high end clothing. IF you can't afford it just don't buy it
You don't see me going on the Gucci site and complaining about how expensive it is. It's not as if I can't just shop elsewhere.[/QUOTE]It's all perceived value though, you could make a shirt out of garbage bags put some famous designer's name on it and people will pay thousands for it. You could pay thousands for a pen if it was used by a famous person. Grade is having a go at that sort thing and if you say he should just ignore it, well there are post everywhere and when something is shoved in your face long enough it gets to the point where you just have to take this piss.
[QUOTE=Primigenes;50464423]I watched this vid a couple hours earlier since I don't really sleep.
To be honest this video made me unsubscribe.[/QUOTE]
Is every GradeA thread going to start off with someone saying they unsubscribed from now on?
[QUOTE=ClauAmericano;50464656]Is every GradeA thread going to start off with someone saying they unsubscribed from now on?[/QUOTE]
Grade makes a Drama vid: Fucking bullshit go back to making more Rants
Grade makes a rant: Fucking bullshit unsubbed
[QUOTE=Primigenes;50464641]High End meaning expensive not whatever meaning you make up in your head. No ones here to argue with you about your own arbitrary meanings for things or on how the meritorious work of these people justifies the price.
You aren't 12 you understand that some things are priced a certain way for several reasons. If you have a problem go somewhere else. You have the capitalist right to not waste your time, your money buying, or funding these products.
Literally none of those comparisons do anything besides I guess make you feel smarter (Good for you).
I don't even know why you keep saying "Runaway Dropouts". Are you sure you should be here and not in the Youtube comment section?
The people willing to buy from these brands do so because they can afford it. They buy for whatever possible reason maybe because of the cultural capital or maybe the designs. Again you aren't 12 or some kind of caveman. They're priced that way because the people buying are willing to pay at the price.
You've been alive long enough to know how things work[/QUOTE]There's also no issue making a video complaining about it. It's the same as commenting about how you don't like the video rather than just un-subbing, it's all relative.
not again
Not enough people seem to know that high fashion runway shows are events for distinguished clothing industry professionals to meet up, mingle, exchange business contacts and try to one-up each other in the show for entertainment. They're not clothing anybody is expected to wear.
Tl;dr they're like cosplay competitions for professional designers
As for why designer clothes are expensive? That's more to do with how cheap mass producing is. The general public is used to paying like $20 for a piece of clothing, so they expect that to be a "normal" price. A price that low can only be achieved by using sweatshop labour, cutting corners everywhere, making millions of the same product and marketing aggressively to make sure they get sold too.
A dressmaker/tailor producing a piece, as they used to before industrialization, isn't in any way able to compete with factory made products. Unless they focus on the luxury market, which is exactly what you see now.
[QUOTE=Primigenes;50464641]High End meaning expensive not whatever meaning you make up in your head. No ones here to argue with you about your own arbitrary meanings for things or on how the meritorious work of these people justifies the price.
You aren't 12 you understand that some things are priced a certain way for several reasons. If you have a problem go somewhere else. You have the capitalist right to not waste your time, your money buying, or funding these products.
Literally none of those comparisons do anything besides I guess make you feel smarter (Good for you).
I don't even know why you keep saying "Runaway Dropouts". Are you sure you should be here and not in the Youtube comment section?
The people willing to buy from these brands do so because they can afford it. They buy for whatever possible reason maybe because of the cultural capital or maybe the designs. Again you aren't 12 or some kind of caveman. They're priced that way because the people buying are willing to pay at the price.
You've been alive long enough to know how things work[/QUOTE]
And for the exact same reason people can buy something for whatever reason they buy it, I hold the right to decry them and call out the product which they are purchasing, do I not?
Being critical of something doesn't make you inherently a bad person, being critical actually allows artist and craftsmen to fix their products they are trying to sell, so that they are at a level of quality where they can be used outside of a small show-piece inside your home.
[QUOTE=Eric95;50464567]"what is design?? what is art??? what is making something for a purpose other than pure practicality???"
also why do you keep repeating "runaway art student dropouts"? runway fashion is definitely very linked to art and the most successful designers are basically very successful artists now
which is also the reason why runway fashion isn't made for wearing casually or for function or specific craftmanship like the stuff you've posted
the reason it's so expensive doesn't specifically have to do with the materials or how durable it is. the most popular fashion trends and concepts then get copied by cheap fast fashion outlets like h&m or zara. t h a t s h o w t h i n g s w o r k[/QUOTE]
I can sell shit to the Smithsonian and people will call it [url=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Artist's_Shit]art[/url]. Just because something is art, doesn't mean you should pass up poor craftmanship. Case example being how the one designer had their artwork and craft literally break a part on stage. If I were to build a chair which was aesthetically pleasing, but build it in such a poor way, where it would break apart if you so much touch it, what would that say about my quality as a furniture craftsman?
Hell, I'd either lose business or get sued into oblivion when someone realizes their fancy and expensive thing doesn't work for the money they put out.
[QUOTE=JoeSkylynx;50464958]I can sell shit to the Smithsonian and people will call it [url=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Artist's_Shit]art[/url]. Just because something is art, doesn't mean you should pass up poor craftmanship. Case example being how the one designer had their artwork and craft literally break a part on stage. [B]If I were to build a chair which was aesthetically pleasing, but build it in such a poor way, where it would break apart if you so much touch it, what would that say about my quality as a furniture craftsman?[/B]
Hell, I'd either lose business or get sued into oblivion when someone realizes their fancy and expensive thing doesn't work for the money they put out.[/QUOTE]
Well fashion designers' jobs are to make clothes that are aesthetically pleasing or interesting, not to make something durable or very functional. Most fashion isn't made for function, that's what workwear is for
With furniture design durability and comfort is more important, but even then that doesn't have to be the case. And in those cases, the ones buying the furniture know that. When it's made specifically for aesthetic appeal then that's pretty much all that matters, and that's what people are paying for as well as the exclusivity of it
additionally, the reason high-end fashion is more expensive is because it isn't mass produced in sweatshops for maximum profit, it's made in small numbers by people who are paid decently. materials aren't the biggest price factor. though despite not being made of otter skin or whatever you'd prefer, any designer piece is gonna be way more durable, well-crafted and made with better materials than the equivalent from h&m or whatever. Is the quality alone better enough to justify the 1000% markup? Probably not. But as I said, that's far from the only factor.
[QUOTE=JoeSkylynx;50464495]When I hear the words "high end" I'm expecting something decently made, which clearly most of the shit put out by these runaway art student dropouts, can be summed up as anything but that.
[t]http://www.master-furrier.com/media/image/3c/ed/38/2011_11_17_12-06-49-1-075-sable-fur-coat-bargusin.jpg[/t]
This is a high end fur coat made from Sable pelts. That not only requires tons of hours curing the pelts, but it also requires a skilled hand to not break the pelts while stitching them together.
Something like that, is something someone could wear with pride during a harsh winter day, and know for damn sure that they'll keep warm and comfy. Not only because of the furs being used, but because it actually required someone time to make. You can see and feel the amount of craftsmanship those type of clothes have.
Hell, even people working with alligator leather are making better clothes then the runaway dropouts:
[t]https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/736x/e5/46/5a/e5465a9dfd8960f769c3c3a8ebc82122.jpg[/t][/QUOTE]
Yeah... No.
You could find the same exact things, with probably a little less quality, for a fraction of the price.
The huge price difference comes from the brand.
Remember how it costs like $100 or something for Apple to make the SE, and they still charge $400 and even almost 500€ here for it?
Same deal.
The decreasing quality in GradeA videos doesn't seem surprising to me, as his fame was based on rants on silly things that occur in day to day normal life. It shouldn't be surprising that with time, his creativity becomes challenged and he either has to give up or pick lower quality topics. The more ground he covers, the more he is challenged, and maybe this is just his breaking point.
What's his next rant about?
Airline food?
Cat dressing competitions?
Farts in elevators?
[QUOTE=Primigenes;50464423]
Not to mention all the shit talk about how clothes are priced when this is obviously high end clothing.[/QUOTE]
Can you explain what makes it so high end? I mean sure the materials they use I guess are top notch, but what is that worth if the result is ugly looking trash nobody would wear outside of a fashion show? Like why would the good materials alone make up for it and excemt the designers from criticism? Sure Grade won't buy their products. But he isn't demanding them to lower the prices in the first place. He's just pointing out how ridiculously high they are for looking completely ugly and unwearable.
Edit:
Yeah I get it, it's one of those really avantgarde, elitist things where participating at that is basically just a symbol of status. Like going to a luxurious restaurant, paying thousands of euros just to be back at home still feeling hungry. But at least the food looked so nice and luxurious with the gold topping!
[QUOTE=RaptorJGW;50465286]Can you explain what makes it so high end? I mean sure the materials they use I guess are top notch, but what is that worth if the result is ugly looking trash nobody would wear outside of a fashion show? Like why would the good materials alone make up for it and excemt the designers from criticism?
Sure Grade won't buy their products. But he isn't demanding them to lower the prices in the first place. He's just pointing out how ridiculously high they are for looking completely ugly and unwearable.[/QUOTE]
definition taken from Merriam-Webster:
Simple Definition of high–end
: higher in price and of better quality than most others
Full Definition of high–end
2
: of superior quality or sophistication and usually high in price <high–end cameras>
so what makes it highend is the quality, the brand name (designer name) and the choice of materials used in the products
"Decreasing quality" no shutup, this Video is on par with most of his stuff just because its something you disagree with doesn't make it worse I think his opinion on animal names and the beer video was stupid but it's still the same quality on the ranting
Some people who subbed him have been living under a rock. There is absolutely no difference in quality between this and his old video on fashion design, so I don't get why it took for some people this long to unsub him. He made worst videos than this.
[QUOTE=Primigenes;50465487]Well for starters, the shit on the runaway usually isn't the same stuff being sold on their sites. Next tastes is subjective. Just because you say its ugly doesn't mean it is. Just because you think no one wears the clothes they make outside doesn't mean people don't actually wear the clothes they make outside.
[t]http://www.upscalehype.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/01/ASAP-Rocky-wears-Rick-Owens-for-Adidas-running-black-white-runway-sneakers-shoes-2.jpg[/t] Those are Rick Owen's shoes if you're wondering
It's high end because its expensive. It's expensive for whatever fucking reason. Maybe its exclusivity, brand name, materials, etc etc.
You aren't criticizing. At best you are offering personal grievances. You are complaining about something not marketed toward you (As well as not really harming anyone) while also having a design you personally do not like (Which literally means leave and go buy something else)
It's not just some sort of elitist thing. don't be a dck
Some people may actually like the designs. Taste is subjective[/QUOTE]
The shoes are prices absurdly expensive probably just because they can.
[QUOTE=Primigenes;50464819]I'm actually talking about the video in the OP that is the real subject of this discussion.
[B]Which is what these threads are for. Not for circlejerks about how good the OP's thread is when everyone likes the creator or for how bad it is when they dont.[/B] They're for discussing videos that have been posted.[/QUOTE]
This is exactly what I was trying to say in the last thread, I didn't exactly do a good job saying it but I'm glad other people are tired of completely off-topic hate threads when it involves someone FP doesn't like.
[QUOTE=Primigenes;50464423]I watched this vid a couple hours earlier since I don't really sleep.
To be honest this video made me unsubscribe. Why? Because Grade doesn't research what he talks about before he goes on these tirades and when he comes off saying something ignorant in his very harsh tone it just makes him look like a dickhead.
Mostly because it was like the 3rd or 5th vid I've seen where he talks about things he doesn't really understand and the random Matthew Santoro joke was pretty cheap (That pic he used was from his abuse video too like seriously?). Also the Kanye jab at the end is stupid and completely unneccessary.
Kanye West isn't really a successful fashion designer. That's literally what he's been ranting about for the past couple of years. Like what the fuck did he think "I'm 53 million in debt" is supposed to mean? Kanye tried to start a fashion line and it bombed hard. Mentioning Kanye is so unnecessary in the context of this video. It just seems like he's trying to garner views because its easy to shit talk Kanye. Also whats with the insult towards Kanye's cheeks, like the dude was in a car accident and had surgery.
Also the vitriol is getting tired
Because he's over here shit talking Runaway Shows because he's under the misconception that those are all clothes for casual wear. Runaway Shows are like fucking art exhibits, its not that hard to understand. Nobody wears almost any of that shit outside.
Not to mention all the shit talk about how clothes are priced when this is obviously high end clothing. IF you can't afford it just don't buy it
You don't see me going on the Gucci site and complaining about how expensive it is. It's not as if I can't just shop elsewhere.[/QUOTE]
Dude, relax.
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