'Radicalised' vegan parents may face prison - Polidicks

[b]'Radicalised' vegan parents may face prison[/b] Via [url=http://www.nzherald.co.nz/lifestyle/news/article.cfm?c_id=6&objectid=11690957]nzherald.co.nz[/url] _________________________ [quote][img]http://i.imgur.com/TZYrK66.jpg[/img] [i]8% of Italians are vegetarian or vegan.[/i] - - - Parents who force a vegan diet on to their children would face prison under a new law proposed in Italy. Elvira Savino, of centre-right party Forza Italia, has proposed legislation under which parents who provide children aged 16 and under with a "diet lacking essential elements for an healthy growth" face up to two years of prison. The MP explains in the proposal that in the last few years the belief that vegetarian and vegan diets bring benefits "has been spreading in Italy" and adults are entitled to choose that type of diet. However, Ms Savino says, minors need to be protected from "radicalised" parents who want to impose on their children a restrictive diet that lack "essential elements needed for an healthy physical and cognitive development." Ms Savino writes that vegan diets leave children potentially lacking in iron, zinc and B12, which can lead to neurological problems and anaemia, reports Italian newspaper La Repubblica. The MP explains that the aim of the 'Savino Law' is to "definitely stigmatise negligent parental behaviours which put minors at risk." The proposal would see parents facing up to one year in prison for the basic offence. However, it could go up to two and a half years if the offence leads to a minor "getting permanently sick or hurt."[/quote] Couldn't agree more with this. [editline]10th August 2016[/editline] But then again, there's plenty of "normal" families who don't know how to properly feed their toddlers, so it should cover both concepts, IMO.

Not too long ago we had two cases of kids having their life threatened by following the vegan lifestyles their parents enforced. Not surprised at all about this.

[QUOTE=TheDrunkenOne;50859427]Not too long ago we had two cases of kids having their life threatened by following the vegan lifestyles their parents enforced. Not surprised at all about this.[/QUOTE] You mean [URL="https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/morning-mix/wp/2016/07/11/italian-baby-fed-vegan-diet-hospitalized-for-malnutrition/"]this one[/URL], yes? [quote]When an Italian baby was taken to hospital in Milan earlier this month by his grandparents, doctors there were shocked by the baby’s condition. At 14 months old, he weighed only slightly more than a 3-month-old, according to the Local Italy. Upon further examination, a more harrowing picture began to take shape. The baby, whose parents allegedly kept him on a vegan diet without providing dietary supplements, was found to be severely malnourished, suffering from dangerously low calcium levels. Complicating matters, the baby had to undergo an emergency operation because of a congenital heart condition, which was aggravated by his low calcium levels. The Local reported that hospital staff reported the case to social services and that the baby’s parents have lost the custodial rights to their child.[/quote]

Well, I guess it was only a matter of time before they made a law to protect children from that kind of abuse, glad they also put it to work.

I hope the same goes for meat only diets for children and all malnourished children of all diets, vegan or otherwise

[QUOTE=Pretiacruento;50859430]You mean [URL="https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/morning-mix/wp/2016/07/11/italian-baby-fed-vegan-diet-hospitalized-for-malnutrition/"]this one[/URL], yes?[/QUOTE] [QUOTE]In 2007, a vegan couple were given life sentences after their 6-week-old baby boy died of starvation in 2004. They had fed the baby a diet of mainly soy milk and apple juice, and a jury found the couple guilty of murder, manslaughter and cruelty to children.[/QUOTE] Holy shit, so, they went so far that the mother didn't even breast feed the kid ? Like, it is a built in reflex in mammals, we are designed to do it, how can you think to know better than that ? At least at that stage don't risk anything.

yaaaaaaaaay

[QUOTE=VprVajraRpv;50859463]Well, I guess it was only a matter of time before they made a law to protect children from that kind of abuse, glad they also put it to work.[/QUOTE] I still dislike parents feeding non-vegan junk food just the same, ironically it contains the most basic nutrients... the downside is, diabetes and weight problems obviously. The problem with vegan diets is that it's seemingly a lot easier to neglect your child's health. Of course there's vitamin supplements for all that, but IMHO, I don't think it's right for a child so young to be popping pills because he can't get enough nutrients from the food their parents give them.

[QUOTE=J!NX;50859471]I hope the same goes for meat only diets for children and all malnourished children of all diets, vegan or otherwise[/QUOTE] Agreed, "McDonald" parents who feeds junk foods to their children to the point they end up obese are also a problem, and need to be adressed properly for god knows how many years.

[QUOTE=AntonioR;50859477]Holy shit, so, they went so far that the mother didn't even breast feed the kid ? Like, it is a built in reflex in mammals, we are designed to do it, how can you think to know better than that ? At least at that stage don't risk anything.[/QUOTE] How can you be guilty of both Murder AND Manslaughter with only 1 victim? How can you at the same time Have and Not Have Mens Rea ?

[QUOTE=AntonioR;50859477]Holy shit, so, they went so far that the mother didn't even breast feed the kid ? Like, it is a built in reflex in mammals, we are designed to do it, how can you think to know better than that ? At least at that stage don't risk anything.[/QUOTE] I've heard of this one before the mother is massively fucking stupid and deserves prison for that, 100% like, they are literally going against a thing that is as natural as nature gets. They're going against nature itself. How can you be this wacko and backwards? [QUOTE=VprVajraRpv;50859490]Agreed, "McDonald" parents who feeds junk foods to their children to the point they end up obese are also a problem, and need to be adressed properly for god knows how many years.[/QUOTE] being fats one thing, McDonald's tier fats just, this vegan diet but on the opposite end of the spectrum. Fucking terrible and needs to stop Children don't know whats good and bad. Just like kittens, they literally /cannot/ tell what they should and shouldn't eat.

[QUOTE=dingusnin;50859491]How can you be guilty of both Murder AND Manslaughter with only 1 victim? How can you at the same time Have and Not Have Mens Rea ?[/QUOTE] Maybe one of the parents murder and the other manslaughter?

[QUOTE=Pretiacruento;50859430]You mean [URL="https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/morning-mix/wp/2016/07/11/italian-baby-fed-vegan-diet-hospitalized-for-malnutrition/"]this one[/URL], yes?[/QUOTE] there was another too, but yeah

When Forza Italia does something remotely good you know it's really fucked up

So would this law also target parents who feed their child nothing but fast food? Or any type of diet that isn't 100% balanced?

[QUOTE=meek;50859767]So would this law also target parents who feed their child nothing but fast food? Or any type of diet that isn't 100% balanced?[/QUOTE] It probably should, since it does a similar kind of harm. We should seek balance in all things, and going to an exclusionary extreme is almost never a good thing, whether it be a borderline-psychotic enforced vegan diet, or slothful negligence wherein you just buy them fast food and not bother with anything else.

A lot of vegan parents can be idiots, but raising a child without feeding them meat isn't necessarily bad. I was raised a vegetarian, haven't ate meat since I was three, and I have no particular physiological problems. The problem isn't in the vegan diets, a lot of it is taking it too far - you can still have a vegan diet while being breastfed, for example, as breastfeeding is fully consensual between both parties and no possible ethical issues should be raised from that. This law doesn't need to exist, there are already laws against negligence of children, if you're raising a child in such a way where they become heavily underweight then that law should definitely apply to you.

[QUOTE=Irockz;50859852]A lot of vegan parents can be idiots, but raising a child without feeding them meat isn't necessarily bad. I was raised a vegetarian, haven't ate meat since I was three, and I have no particular physiological problems. The problem isn't in the vegan diets, a lot of it is taking it too far - you can still have a vegan diet while being breastfed, for example, as breastfeeding is fully consensual between both parties and no possible ethical issues should be raised from that. This law doesn't need to exist, there are already laws against negligence of children, if you're raising a child in such a way where they become heavily underweight then that law should definitely apply to you.[/QUOTE] Thats bullshit though, self milked cows still don't produce vegan milk...

[QUOTE=Blizzerd;50859912]Thats bullshit though, self milked cows still don't produce vegan milk...[/QUOTE] What. Are you saying that humans are cows?

Sometimes I wonder if vegans were taken to a slaughterhouse as a kid and traumatized by it so much that they stopped eating richly protein-based, muscle mass building products made of animal flesh (meat).

[QUOTE=_Axel;50859958]What. Are you saying that humans are cows?[/QUOTE] I think he's talking about the self milking machines for cows. Apparently farmers have to leave the machines on all the time because the cow could voluntarily go and get milked at anytime. Cows really like to be milked, I think.

And to think that some people say that vegan diets are "only a logical choice for humanity". Yeah, I wouldn't say that when parents forcing it on their child ended up getting the kid killed.

[QUOTE=Irockz;50859852]A lot of vegan parents can be idiots, but raising a child without feeding them meat isn't necessarily bad. I was raised a vegetarian, haven't ate meat since I was three, and I have no particular physiological problems. The problem isn't in the vegan diets, a lot of it is taking it too far - you can still have a vegan diet while being breastfed, for example, as breastfeeding is fully consensual between both parties and no possible ethical issues should be raised from that. This law doesn't need to exist, there are already laws against negligence of children, if you're raising a child in such a way where they become heavily underweight then that law should definitely apply to you.[/QUOTE] Given the few articles mentioning other parents doing the same as yours, I'm feeling that you may be a lucky exception, not the rule.

[QUOTE=J!NX;50859471]I hope the same goes for meat only diets for children and all malnourished children of all diets, vegan or otherwise[/QUOTE] parents are shit at walmart I saw a kid in a cart ask his mom to buy apples and she said "you don't want that"

What's with all this anti-vegan hate yo #BlackBeansMatter

[QUOTE=mcharest;50860856]What's with all this anti-vegan hate yo #BlackBeansMatter[/QUOTE] #Vegemitelaw #meatinfidels (not saying they're terrorists or anything, just having a small laugh because of the article mentioning them as radicalized)

[QUOTE=Rocâ„¢;50860905]#Vegemitelaw #meatinfidels (not saying they're terrorists or anything, just having a small laugh because of the article mentioning them as radicalized)[/QUOTE] At the end of the day, the word "radicalized" really just means to take a point of view to it's most extreme. It's just that we've been saturated with the term "Islam" that we forget that it didn't develop from that phrase.

[QUOTE=Blind Lulu;50860453]Don't cows eventually die painfully if they aren't milked for too long?[/QUOTE] They need to be milked because their reproductive cycle is artificially stimulated by their keepers. They are impregnated and separated from their soon-to-be-veal calf. The Italian law does not target vegan diets. It targets malnourishment. It is easy to be malnourished on a vegan diet because nutrients like protein and essential vitamins are more expensive in vegan-safe foods. Considering the rising ethical consciousness in western culture, this anti-vegan consensus is pretty strange for FP.

[QUOTE=Emperor Scorpious II;50860925]At the end of the day, the word "radicalized" really just means to take a point of view to it's most extreme. It's just that we've been saturated with the term "Islam" that we forget that it didn't develop from that phrase.[/QUOTE] Exactly! Hence why I said the second bit. Kind of shit having that pop to mind when the word "radicalized" is used...

[QUOTE=VeniVidiVici74;50860949]They need to be milked because their reproductive cycle is artificially stimulated by their keepers. They are impregnated and separated from their soon-to-be-veal calf. The Italian law does not target vegan diets. It targets malnourishment. It is easy to be malnourished on a vegan diet because nutrients like protein and essential vitamins are more expensive in vegan-safe foods. Considering the rising ethical consciousness in western culture, this anti-vegan consensus is pretty strange for FP.[/QUOTE] People hate vegans/vegetarians because it's the cool thing to do. "lol they talk about it so much, they're annoying" has pretty much achieved meme status. And FP in general is only progressive about stuff that doesn't inconvenience them.