• Feminist Pretends To Be Male.. And Learns Important lesson.
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I thought i'd post this video because I feel like it has a point. I know the channel name and video banner is stupid but the video is good imo... also idk where the original upload is [media]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OQ2fREo3Tjc[/media]
Here's the video without all the "rekt feminist" shit [video=youtube;Ip7kP_dd6LU]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ip7kP_dd6LU[/video] [URL="http://abcnews.go.com/2020/Entertainment/story?id=1526982"]Here's an article that belongs to the video[/URL] [URL="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Self-made_man"]And here's the books wikipedia page[/URL]
I've said it before and I'll say it again: If you have to damage control a video before anyone even watches it then it's not worth posting. This is as old as dirt too.
[QUOTE=gokiyono;53106969]Here's the video without all the "rekt feminist" shit [vid][/QUOTE] so this is what a proper social experiment looks like
That was neat. Should be a good read/watch for some prejudiced women, and even more "feminine" dudes who have preconceptions about guys doing "guy stuff". Episode, you should change the video you posted in the OP to the one without the "rekt feminists" banner. That way we could discuss the video itself if a discussion evolves, and not some dumb channel.
So gender isn't a social construct?
[QUOTE=Silly Sil;53107007]So gender isn't a social construct?[/QUOTE] Aspects of gender are socially constructed, like the dated idea that women can only wear a dress and a corset. Other aspects are related to hormonal differences and/or neural chemistry, such as the way the body views itself.
[QUOTE=Zyler;53107009]Aspects of gender are socially constructed, like the dated idea that women can only wear a dress and a corset. Other aspects are related to hormonal differences and/or neural chemistry, such as the way the body views itself.[/QUOTE] Sure gender roles are cultural, but I never mentioned them.
[QUOTE=Silly Sil;53107007]So gender isn't a social construct?[/QUOTE] You really need to elaborate your question if you'd like a nuanced answer
I see where this thread is going and I feel like some definitions would be useful on sex vs gender. If I take your brain out of your body and put you in a sexless robot body, you're now sexless. That's because your sex is contained in your body, and you've lost yours, and that's what sex is. Do you want a masculine or feminine or neutral form factor and voice? That's your gender. Which is to say gender is an expression of who you are. The ways in which you express yourself will always have some foundation in the current culture. That's why people say "gender is a social construct".
[QUOTE=Vodkavia;53107033]Eh, I don't think its fair to take one persons anecdote as being more "canon" than others unless they're obviously shitting, had the dice been rolled slightly different for her, the experience could have been a complete 180. Both are part of the complete picture. Hell, I've been doing what she's did for 21 years, and I've had every single fear she had quashed affirmed in some way. Which happened in all 3 jobs I've worked, often with the subject of said comments (who were in one case underage) looking them dead in the eye, or within earshot. While a lot of people become mature enough grow past the awful school yard shit, many don't.[/QUOTE] Sure, they're both part of the complete picture. I didn't mean to say that all dudes are chill and friendly and you just need to bend your head sideways to understand them. There are a lot of people however, especially young people who haven't been taught that there's nuance to things in life (though you have plenty of adults in that camp as well), who think men are like [I]that [/I]and women are like [I]that[/I]. The woman who did this experiment seems to have come from that same sort of prejudice and was pleasantly proven wrong.
[QUOTE=gokiyono;53107015]You really need to elaborate your question if you'd like a nuanced answer[/QUOTE] Are men and women born with certain aspects correlated to their gender (not sex) that aren't a social construct?
i was gonna read some feminists literature or engage with some ideas and concepts but then i saw this dumb feminist get epically owned so now i'm confident i can destroy all their ideas thanks m8
[QUOTE=Silly Sil;53107075]Are men and women born with certain aspects correlated to their gender (not sex) that aren't a social construct?[/QUOTE] No. Gender describes social/cultural distinctions which have nothing to do with biology in modern western society.
You can see how fucking crazy feminists are nowadays when you look at one from 12 years ago. She did an interesting experiment and got really interesting results.
[QUOTE=bilbasio;53107197]You can see how fucking crazy feminists are nowadays when you look at one from 12 years ago. She did an interesting experiment and got really interesting results.[/QUOTE] Feminists like this are still plenty, they just don't get covered. You only see the bad ones in the news and videos. People don't usually care to look any further than that because its so hip to shit on them right now.
[QUOTE=GrizzlyBear;53107229]Feminists like this are still plenty, they just don't get covered. You only see the bad ones in the news and videos. People don't usually care to look any further than that because its so hip to shit on them right now.[/QUOTE] Not to mention how toxic the environment is now, to the point where you're the most popular if you're the biggest, most extreme meanie, saying shit to rile everyone up. It's not enough to hold moderate views on anything if you want attention to the cause. Oh, and if you say anything that rubs a section of the people using your cause to masquerade under, they'll then turn on you and vilify you as a traitor. That's always fun. :rolleyes:
[QUOTE=cbb;53107183]No. Gender describes social/cultural distinctions which have nothing to do with biology in modern western society.[/QUOTE] You're thinking gender expression/roles.
[QUOTE=Silly Sil;53107238]You're thinking gender expression/roles.[/QUOTE] I'm actually not. I encourage you to look up the definition of gender. It used to be a synonym for sex but took on a definition of its own starting in the 50s and the distinction between the two has only become more pronounced since then. Sex describes biological differences between people and gender describes social differences between people.
Shitty content with an agenda like the video in the OP are why I pretty much switch off whenever I see a video has "feminist" in the title. It's always some pathetic heavily edited video either taking quotes out of context or showing one lone nutjob somewhere and using those to discredit an entire mode of thought. Not going to say those elements don't exist - I don't think toxic masculinity is the reason the term "feminist" has become a dirty word today and I genuinely feel for people that identify with the label that have to put up with the insane militant parts on the internet.
[QUOTE=cbb;53107183]No. Gender describes social/cultural distinctions which have nothing to do with biology in modern western society.[/QUOTE] How so? Doctors assume gender based on biology, and gender is based on real behavioral differences between the sexes...Yeah its lessening more and more, but I dont think people have lost their evolutionary shackles yet. Imo, gender is pointless, just a label other people put on you, or worse, you put on yourself. Just act and look however you want, in a way I suppose I think agenderism is preferable to human separation through our unfortunately biologically informed brains.
[QUOTE=Silly Sil;53107075]Are men and women born with certain aspects correlated to their gender (not sex) that aren't a social construct?[/QUOTE] I don't think so. I mean, I've thought about it for a while now and I can't really come up with anything that isn't defined by culture. It's also pretty difficult to say given how culture pretty much Trumps most things humanity. I'm curious though, why do you ask? [editline]4th February 2018[/editline] [QUOTE=Tetracycline;53107273]How so? Doctors assume gender based on biology, and gender is based on real behavioral differences between the sexes...Yeah its lessening more and more, but I dont think people have lost their evolutionary shackles yet. Imo, gender is pointless, just a label other people put on you, or worse, you put on yourself. Just act and look however you want, in a way I suppose I think agenderism is preferable to human separation through our unfortunately biologically informed brains.[/QUOTE] I mean, do doctors really need gender for anything?
[QUOTE=bilbasio;53107197]You can see how fucking crazy feminists are nowadays when you look at one from 12 years ago. [/QUOTE] That's an incredibly ignorant thing to say
[QUOTE=Tetracycline;53107273]How so? Doctors assume gender based on biology[/QUOTE] In a clinical setting social distinctions typically aren't going to make a difference so there's no reason a doctor wouldn't assume gender based purely on biology. [QUOTE]and gender is based on real behavioral differences between the sexes...Yeah its lessening more and more, but I dont think people have lost their evolutionary shackles yet.[/QUOTE] Can you give an example of a behavioral difference that gender is based on that is both a reliable predictor of behavior and distinct between the sexes? [QUOTE]Imo, gender is pointless, just a label other people put on you, or worse, you put on yourself. Just act and look however you want, in a way I suppose I think agenderism is preferable to human separation through our unfortunately biologically informed brains.[/QUOTE] I agree with this wholeheartedly but it's very hard for people to think outside of a purely sexual dichotomy between the genders. It seems that's the direction we're moving in though.
[QUOTE=Foogooman;53107031]I see where this thread is going and I feel like some definitions would be useful on sex vs gender. If I take your brain out of your body and put you in a sexless robot body, you're now sexless. That's because your sex is contained in your body, and you've lost yours, and that's what sex is. Do you want a masculine or feminine or neutral form factor and voice? That's your gender. Which is to say gender is an expression of who you are. The ways in which you express yourself will always have some foundation in the current culture. That's why people say "gender is a social construct".[/QUOTE] Ehhh not quite. Gender is a social construct, no doubt. That is society telling you what it means to be a man or a woman and in turn the behaviors it expects. Those behaviors may or may not align with traits naturally present in one sex or the other. Gender varies between societies and more than one society has produced three or more acceptable genders. The part of your statement that is a problem is the notion that you lose your sex when placed in a robot body. Even ignoring the different chemical balances of mood altering hormones in the brain between the sexes, the physical makeup of the brain is different between men and women. Most noteworthy is that the corpus callosum is larger in women. Basically the nerve bundle that allows the two hemisphere ls of the brain to share info allows for greater bandwidth. There are all sorts of differences in terms of grey to white matter ratios. Your brain is definitely affected, physically, by sex. It is important to separate those physical differences from gender though. Gender differs from society to society. While gender may be influenced by sex, it is not the same thing by any stretch of the imagination.
[QUOTE=cbb;53107309]Can you give an example of a behavioral difference that gender is based on that is both a reliable predictor of behavior and distinct between the sexes? [/QUOTE] There aren't any, at least not that you can use reliably. I think in my mind the fact that 99% of chromosomal males fall into cis-genderism is some sort of proof that gender has something to do with biology, but I can see how you could mean that gender per se is completely conceptual/societal.
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[QUOTE=V12US;53107496][img]https://i.imgur.com/f4JSONf.png[/img][/QUOTE] This image reeks of citation needed tbh
Should be titled "Woman roleplays as a man and has friends"
[QUOTE=cbb;53107183]No. Gender describes social/cultural distinctions which have nothing to do with biology in modern western society.[/QUOTE] My problem with this definition of gender is that it totally dismisses the reality of being transgender people. If gender is just how we act according to societal norms then what the hell does that have to do with pronouns and feeling like a the opposite sex? I know girls who do more typical male things but they still consider themselves women. I have trans friends who like typical aspects of their birth sex but genuinely feel and distraught by the fact that their body/sex is not their own.
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