• Senate Rejects Repeal Without Replace
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[quote]The Senate on Wednesday rejected a measure that would have repealed major parts of the Affordable Care Act but would not have provided a replacement, signaling that the “clean repeal” bill that conservatives have embraced cannot get through Congress. With neither approach viable, Senate Republican leaders may have no choice but to fall back on a third choice: Push a far more limited measure that repeals parts of the Affordable Care Act, such as its mandate that most people have insurance and a tax on medical devices, but leaves most of President Barack Obama’s signature health law in place.[/quote] [url=https://www.nytimes.com/2017/07/26/us/politics/health-care-senate-vote.html]source[/url] McCain voted 'no' today.
Thank fucking god.
Phew. Now, the real test is if the republicans would be able to get even a slight repeal through. I'm hoping that they can't, as I feel there are many Republicans who would feel it doesn't go far enough.
How many times is it now that they've failed
Good.
[QUOTE=bdd458;52509735]Phew. Now, the real test is if the republicans would be able to get even a slight repeal through. I'm hoping that they can't, as I feel there are many Republicans who would feel it doesn't go far enough.[/QUOTE] Unfortunately I feel like it's probably going to happen. Republicans will never agree to expanding ACA (what most want), but the people still want change to the healthcare system; republicans will just change it in the wrong way to be seen as doing something rather than nothing.
[QUOTE=Code3Response;52509737]How many times is it now that they've failed[/QUOTE] since it was first put in place? I think it's something like 60 repeal attempts
Stay dead this time
[QUOTE]Push a far more limited measure that repeals parts of the Affordable Care Act, such as its mandate that most people have insurance and a tax on medical devices, but leaves most of President Barack Obama’s signature health law in place.[/QUOTE] People are pushing this as a "skinnier" repeal like it's a huge loss to the Republicans but it still leaves 15 million uninsured and will spike health premiums. It's just the least bad of three really bad """plans""".
onto skinny repeal and conference hell! no seriously, if this goes to a conference (which it sounds likely) they gotta hammer out a bill from the house and senate bills, then put it up again in the house and the senate where the cbo will have to score the final thing for reconciliation. the calendar is not on their side oh bonus, all this has to be done by the end of this year, and they have the budget, debt ceiling, defense appropriations, tax reform, and infastructure spending to do before then as well and midterm election campaigning will begin sometime in august or september stretching into the primaries through the beginning of next year oh bonus bonus, they have to do this fairly soon as well since open enrollment for obamacare 2018 begins in 3 months and insurance companies need to lock in rates some time in the next few weeks, failure to do so will see the insurance markets collapse due to premium spikes or alltogether pullouts we could have spent most of this year working on taxes and infastructure if mcconnell and ryan recognized the rights of the other 48 senators and 194 congressmen and women and worked with the proper legislative mechanisms, instead this is what happens when you outright commit to single party rule
Is the skinny repeal likely to share the same fate?
[QUOTE=Code3Response;52509737]How many times is it now that they've failed[/QUOTE] As of March 2014, it was [URL="http://time.com/4712725/ahca-house-repeal-votes-obamacare/"]54 times[/URL], but I'm not certain how many times since then. I'm sure it's upwards of 60 at this point.
Honestly, It's the "without replacement" part that [i]really pisses me off[/i]. Yeah the ACA isn't perfect- fuck- ideally they could stop fucking about and finally replace it with something like the national health service. But removing it without even bothering to devise an alternative?, it's just spiteful and frankly that's horrifying. The government should never be motivated by spite against it's citizens.
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[QUOTE=fulgrim;52509833]Honestly, It's the "without replacement" part that [i]really pisses me off[/i]. Yeah the ACA isn't perfect- fuck- ideally they could stop fucking about and finally replace it with something like the national health service. But removing it without even bothering to devise an alternative?, it's just spiteful and frankly that's horrifying. The government should never be motivated by spite against it's citizens.[/QUOTE] GOP: the party of spite
Just last night I saw some dumb bitch on Fox News talking about how much people have suffered under Obamacare and how congress still can't get anything good done. Republicans truly do live in an alternate reality.
I wonder if they're just gonna keep doing it until trump is out of office. I wouldn't be surprised.
How about they actually do their fucking jobs and form a replacement, preferably one that doesn't suck ass. Or just leave it alone? It's not perfect, but it at least allows people to get healthcare.
[QUOTE=Naught;52509871]I wonder if they're just gonna keep doing it until trump is out of office. I wouldn't be surprised.[/QUOTE] They were doing it the entire time Obama was in office.
[QUOTE=HumanAbyss;52509779]since it was first put in place? I think it's something like 60 repeal attempts[/QUOTE] It was about 60 before the don took office
[QUOTE=Richardroth;52509902]How about they actually do their fucking jobs and form a replacement, preferably one that doesn't suck ass. Or just leave it alone? It's not perfect, but it at least allows people to get healthcare.[/QUOTE] They didn't make one in the 7 years they had since it went into effect, what makes you think they'll come up with anything worth a shite now?
Honestly for people like me, nothing short of nationalized healthcare will actually work. Because I cannot afford insurance whatsoever. None. Nil. Zip. Even if it was only an extra $50 a month, I can't really do it. And the plans that were offered to me have all been around like $250+ per month, and that's for coverage that would essentially do absolutely nothing for me as my deductible and copay would be so high that I'll be paying cash out of pocket for everything anyway so I might as well just go uninsured and pay cash out of pocket and save the $250 a month. Because the fine for not having insurance is surely going to be less than $250*12. That's the main thing I don't understand about how people praise Obamacare for having provided Insurance to so many people, it probably isn't taking into account the number of people who are only paying for it now because they have to and who are paying for plans that don't actually cover anything and only waste extra money because they still have to pay out-of-pocket for everything. Obamacare has done only harm for people in this category.
[QUOTE=J Paul;52509974]Honestly for people like me, nothing short of nationalized healthcare will actually work. Because I cannot afford insurance whatsoever. None. Nil. Zip. Even if it was only an extra $50 a month, I can't really do it. And the plans that were offered to me have all been around like $250+ per month, and that's for coverage that would essentially do absolutely nothing for me as my deductible and copay would be so high that I'll be paying cash out of pocket for everything anyway so I might as well just go uninsured and pay cash out of pocket and save the $250 a month. Because the fine for not having insurance is surely going to be less than $250*12. That's the main thing I don't understand about how people praise Obamacare for having provided Insurance to so many people, it probably isn't taking into account the number of people who are only paying for it now because they have to and who are paying for plans that don't actually cover anything and only waste extra money because they still have to pay out-of-pocket for everything. Obamacare has done only harm for people in this category.[/QUOTE] There's ways of providing universal healthcare without nationalizing it or fucking poor people you know. Few countries even go for full nationalization. Also my god it's still downright amusing that they haven't done anything. Their third idea will probably fail too because of the liberty caucus
[QUOTE=Snapster;52509729] McCain voted 'no' today.[/QUOTE] Huh. He voted for it to go forward and voted against it in the next stage? I'm sort of confused on this.
[QUOTE=TurtleeyFP;52510025]Huh. He voted for it to go forward and voted against it in the next stage? I'm sort of confused on this.[/QUOTE] He voted for it to be discussed at all. He's probably looking towards a replacement plan, but as shown, you aren't likely to get a full repeal without some aspect of a replacement. People want the ACA gone, such as Alaska whose healthcare market is literally going to collapse, but they aren't going to just ditch it because they've realized they need -sigh- there.
[QUOTE=thelurker1234;52510001]There's ways of providing universal healthcare without nationalizing it or fucking poor people you know. Few countries even go for full nationalization. Also my god it's still downright amusing that they haven't done anything. Their third idea will probably fail too because of the liberty caucus[/QUOTE] How do you get proper universal healthcare without a nationalized part?
I really want the Democrats to push a crazy single-payer bill, even as just a ploy to gum up the process. After all, the motion-to-proceed allows anyone to float a bill, right? Just do a quick "the sections of Medicare that say who is eligible for Medicare are replaced with a section that says everyone is eligible", and make the Senate vote on it. It'll lose, but it's a good PR stunt, and it might just delay things long enough that the GOP gives up. Plus, if by some crazy chance it passes, that's a major win. Maybe if you name it something like "Religious Liberty Medicare Limitation Act of 2017", some idiots with an (R) next to their name will vote for it.
[QUOTE=S31-Syntax;52510053]He voted for it to be discussed at all. He's probably looking towards a replacement plan, but as shown, you aren't likely to get a full repeal without some aspect of a replacement.[/QUOTE] Maybe the calls for him to die painfully were a little premature.
Disappointing. I was hoping Congress could tackle the issue starting from a clean slate. [Editline]sensationalism will not get you the answers you seek[/editline] [QUOTE=TurtleeyFP;52510082]Maybe the calls for him to die painfully were a little .[/QUOTE] Consider this my official submission for Understatement of the Year.
[QUOTE=Chonch;52510090]Disappointing. I was hoping Congress could tackle the issue starting from a clean slate.[/QUOTE] I get that your premiums probably went up. But why do your premiums and your pocket book really super-cede the health, and possibility of care for millions?
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