Mormons continue to baptise Dead Jews, inciting anger in everyone (including me)
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[QUOTE]The unfurling scandal of Mormons posthumously baptising Jews took another turn for the worse today as it was revealed the same was done to a famous U.S. reporter murdered in Pakistan.
Wall Street Journal reporter Daniel Pearl, 38, was captured and killed by terrorists in Karachi months after 9/11 in February 2002 while he was probing links between Al Qaeda and Pakistan.
Now it has been revealed the Jewish journalist was baptised by proxy in June 2011 at a Mormon temple in Twin Falls, Idaho, in a practice that has already been causing outrage among Jews.
His wife Marine, who was pregnant with their son Adam when her husband died, said he would ‘laugh because it’s a silly’ and told the Boston Globe that the whole thing is ‘a bit surreal’.
‘We appreciate your good intentions but rest assured Danny’s soul was redeemed through the life that he lived and the values that he upheld,’ his parents Judea and Ruth Pearl told the Mormon Church, speaking to Boston Globe.
‘He lived as a proud Jew, died as a proud Jew, and is currently facing his creator as a Jew, blessed, accepted and redeemed,’ they added, saying the news of his baptism was ‘disturbing’.
The finding was made by Helen Radkey, an ex-Mormon who is rising to fame by going through Church databases to spot posthumous baptisms of Jews - especially Holocaust survivors.
The controversy last week caught the eye of Catholic comedian Stephen Colbert, who gave his own take on it by ‘converting all dead Mormons to Judaism’ using a hot dog sausage and a cigar cutter.
Elie Wiesel
Simon Wiesenthal
Survivors: Relatives of Elie Wiesel, left, and Simon Wiesenthal, right, have been posthumously baptised
That came after it was revealed earlier this month that Anne Frank, who died during the Holocaust in 1945 at Bergen-Belsen in Germany, was baptised by a Mormon for the tenth time in 23 years.
Meanwhile Holocaust survivor and 83-year-old author Elie Wiesel recently learned several of his relatives who died under the Nazis were posthumously baptised by Mormons.
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How Diana has been baptised a Mormon
The Church is coming under more scrutiny thanks to Broadway show The Book of Mormon and the presidential campaign of Mitt Romney, who allegedly once helped baptise an atheist relative.
Anne was posthumously baptised by a Mormon at a Dominican Republic temple for the first time in 13 years. The same was done to the parents of late Nazi hunter Simon Wiesenthal earlier this month.
Furore: It was revealed earlier this month that Anne Frank, who died during the Holocaust in 1945 at Bergen-Belsen in Germany, was baptised by a Mormon for the tenth time in 23 years
Furore: It was revealed earlier this month that Anne Frank, who died during the Holocaust in 1945 at Bergen-Belsen in Germany, was baptised by a Mormon for the tenth time in 23 years
POSTHUMOUS MORMON BAPTISMS
The Mormon Church often carries out posthumous baptisms and says those who have died can choose to accept or deny it
They say it's done as many dead people had no chance to be baptised on earth
Huge issue in Jewish community because many in the past have been forced to convert to Christianity or murdered if not
This issue has caused a religious storm after an agreement from 1995 required Mormons to avoid submitting names of Holocaust victims for baptism unless they are their direct ancestors.
Mormons often perform the baptisms, saying people who died that did not get the chance to be baptised while living can choose to accept or deny it. But the issue is dressing many relatives.
The Church has said sorry for all posthumous baptisms of Jews that have caused concern. A spokesman for the Church said it ‘keeps its word’ on not baptising Holocaust victims anymore.
This latest incident was a ‘protocol breach’ because the baptism was not performed by a relative. The Church itself described this as ‘distressing’, insisting that it wants to stamp out the practice.
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This is like religion rape by forcing a religion on to someone whos dead or can't say anything about it, people need to start bashing mormons asap, so they won't spread there stupidity anymore.
SOURCE FROM THE YAHOO TIMES ([B][I]Requested by: Megafan[/I][/B])
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Stop defending the jews, Hitler. That isn't how it works.
Uh people need to start bashing mormons??
who cares about this
most of the people on this forum are atheist and this is literally doing nothing to anyone
[quote=article]The Church has said sorry for all posthumous baptisms of Jews that have caused concern. A spokesman for the Church said it ‘keeps its word’ on not baptising Holocaust victims anymore.[/quote]
Oh, thank God.
[QUOTE=Sir_takeslot;34940151]Stop defending the jews, Hitler. That isn't how it works.[/QUOTE]
You do know Hitler infact had a jewish girlfriend in his teen life (circa 13 to 15.), right?
[QUOTE=Zero Hour;34940156]Uh people need to start bashing mormons??[/QUOTE]
Nah. Mormons are generally nice people. They're a bit weird, but friendly. Like canadians.
Infact, Mormons absolutely love Jews and hold them in high regard. They don't mean any malicious intent when the posthumously baptize jews.
[QUOTE=SaintHitler;34940178]You do know Hitler infact had a jewish girlfriend in his teen life (circa 13 to 15.), right?[/QUOTE]
But that ruins the joke.
[quote]The Mormon Church often carries out posthumous baptisms and says those who have died can choose to accept or deny it[/quote]
If by that, they mean the spirit of the person has the choice to accept or deny it, in whatever afterlife they may be in, I don't see any problem here.
Don't bash on Mormons just because of this, that's silly that just because a very radical group of Mormons are doing this does not mean you should take the religion as a whole as crazy.
[QUOTE=Nevermind.;34940203]Don't bash on Mormons just because of this, that's silly that just because a very radical group of Mormons are doing this does not mean you should take the religion as a whole as crazy.[/QUOTE]
There's nothing radical about it.
No more radical than their magic underwear.
[quote]The controversy last week caught the eye of Catholic comedian Stephen Colbert, who gave his own take on it by ‘converting all dead Mormons to Judaism’ using a hot dog sausage and a cigar cutter.[/quote]
make this man the president
There's much better reasons to bash mormons than this, but this only adds to it.
(see: prop 8)
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there's nothing more selfish than voting to ban gay marriage because you, and your church, don't like it!
[QUOTE=Noth;34940192]If by that, they mean the spirit of the person has the choice to accept or deny it, in whatever afterlife they may be in, I don't see any problem here.[/QUOTE]
the jews might not believe that
That's very insensitive of them
~religion~
So remind me again how baptizing someone else, and then reading out a list of people that are dead, so they won't hear, their families won't hear, and nobody but the Mormons performing it will hear, but that will somehow make the dead Jew a full Mormon?
You know, I'm sure someone in the afterlife won't go "Sorry sir, but while you've been a Jew all your life, and you've been in heaven/afterlife for years, some guy who you know absolutely nothing about says you're a Mormon now, so I guess you'd better deal with that."
You did not just source Daily Mail, did you?
[QUOTE=Megafan;34940471]You did not just source Daily Mail, did you?[/QUOTE]
No, theres other sources! I just felt a bit lazy back there. :v:
I recommend you add at least one more.
[QUOTE=Megafan;34940535]I recommend you add at least one more.[/QUOTE]
Okay. :wink:
[QUOTE=Reds;34940460]So remind me again how baptizing someone else, and then reading out a list of people that are dead, so they won't hear, their families won't hear, and nobody but the Mormons performing it will hear, but that will somehow make the dead Jew a full Mormon?
You know, I'm sure someone in the afterlife won't go "Sorry sir, but while you've been a Jew all your life, and you've been in heaven/afterlife for years, some guy who you know absolutely nothing about says you're a Mormon now, so I guess you'd better deal with that."[/QUOTE]
According to some people far more informed than myself, the dead Jew's spirit gets the option of becoming a Mormon or not. It's not like you're just abruptly a Mormon; presumably some dude shows up in wherever the hell you go when you die and he's just all like "wanna be a Mormon?"
It's no more forceful than a bunch of Jehovas Witnesses asking if you want to buy a bible.
[QUOTE=SaintHitler;34940545]Okay. :wink:[/QUOTE]
You got the article about Anne Frank from Yahoo, it has nothing to do with the story in the Daily Mail article.
[QUOTE=Lonestriper;34940431]That's very insensitive of them[/QUOTE]
I disagree, them baptizing the Jews show that they are concerned for them. Whether its wrong or not, they are still trying to help them.
Hence the:
[quote]That came after it was revealed earlier this month that Anne Frank, who died during the Holocaust in 1945 at Bergen-Belsen in Germany, was baptised by a Mormon for the tenth time in 23 years.[/quote]
It's a similar story but the Yahoo source is older and doesn't pertain to Daniel Pearl.
[QUOTE=Megafan;34940572]You got the article about Anne Frank from Yahoo, it has nothing to do with the story in the Daily Mail article.[/QUOTE]
Well sorry buddy, but I don't know any more sources.
Sorry.
[QUOTE=Sector 7;34940247]make this man the president[/QUOTE]
He's already on the right course
[QUOTE=Kwaq;34940171]who cares about this
most of the people on this forum are atheist and this is literally doing nothing to anyone[/QUOTE]
It's desecrating bodies.
[QUOTE=Kwaq;34940171]who cares about this
most of the people on this forum are atheist and this is literally doing nothing to anyone[/QUOTE]
Literally is doing nothing to YOU.
Belief is something that some people take very seriously.
I don't believe in any one thing very strongly (I'm intrigued by the whole Celtic/Pagan thing) but if anybody tried to induct me into a religion by force (which is essentially what happens when you baptise somebody after they've died) I'd be pissed off.
Just because something doesn't rustle your jimmies doesn't mean it doesn't rustle others'.
Oh god not religion again!
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