Oscar nominee Charlotte Rampling about Oscar diversity kerfuffle: "It's racist to white people." - Polidicks

[img]http://cdn2.thr.com/sites/default/files/imagecache/675x380/2015/11/key_2_45years_copyrightagathaa.nitecka.jpg[/img] [quote][B]“One can never really know, but perhaps the black actors did not deserve to make the final list,"[/B] said the '45 Years' actress. Charlotte Rampling, nominated for a best actress Oscar this year for 45 Years, has weighed in on the controversy surrounding this year's group of all-white acting nominees. [B]"It's racist to white people,"[/B] she said of the anger over the racial makeup of this year's acting nominees, speaking on French radio network Europe 1 on Friday. [B]“One can never really know, but perhaps the black actors did not deserve to make the final list," [/B]she added. The Brit, who won a lifetime achievement honor alongside the best actress award at last year's European Film Awards, was later asked whether the Academy should introduce quotas. [B]"Why classify people?"[/B] she responded. [B]"These days everyone is more or less accepted ... People will always say: ‘Him, he’s less handsome’; ‘Him, he’s too black’; ‘He is too white’ ... someone will always be saying ‘You are too’ [this or that] ... But do we have to take from this that there should be lots of minorities everywhere?”[/B][/quote] [Source: [url=http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/news/charlotte-rampling-oscarssowhite-racist-white-858269?facebook_20160122]THR[/url]]

She just said what everyone with common sense wants to say but it's too afraid to say under penalty of being labeled racist.

Well, she is making sense. Just compare reactions 'x so white' to 'x so black'*. Forced visibility must be the dumbest thing to come out of left liberal interactions with race. It necessarily comes at the expense of someone who would otherwise be picked for their merit, and instead gets denied for their skin color. These people are just an inversion of a racist. * the housing market generally seems to be referenced as exemplifying the unconscious racism of whites, whereas picking out 'white' things is just, idk, justice.

Cant we just all be humans for fucks sake. It severely pisses me off that these morons are introducing these utterly racist policies, in a bid to seem as non-racist as possible. Because apparently what i am supposed to do as a lame white guy, is prostrate myself on the alter of all minorities, or i will never be a good person. Fuck off.

To be honest I agree with Viola Davis when she said that the Oscars are not the problem, it's just a symptom of a much greater disease. There can be no nominations for roles that didn't exist in first place

[url]http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/p03g6r28[/url] Michael Caine said the same thing basically in an interview this morning.

TBH, if I was an Oscar voter, I wouldn't have voted for any minorities this year. I can't think of any I've seen that deserve it. I hear Will Smith was good in that football movie and Idris Elba was probably amazing in Beasts of No Nation but I haven't seen it yet. Sam Jackson is the only other black guy I can think of that had a notable performance and I don't think it deserved any awards. I think the lack of minority nominees is totally justified this year.

Nobody black was nominated because [I]nobody black has done something this year to deserve it.[/I] This is such bullshit, and she's right, boycotting the oscars because we didn't just go "well, you're black so here you go" is downright disrespectful and racist to everyone who did get nominated. The oscars are for actors who did damn good work, its not an affirmative action committee. Get over yourself. You wanna boycott it, fine, we don't want your shitty attitude there this year anyway.

[QUOTE=S31-Syntax;49584390]Nobody black was nominated because [I]nobody black has done something this year to deserve it.[/I][/QUOTE] [img]http://puu.sh/mFtcR/94a7500e44.jpg[/img] [img]http://puu.sh/mFtdo/bf3ee93b47.jpg[/img] [editline]22nd January 2016[/editline] yet lawrence gets nominated for the critically panned joy because god forbid she miss out a year

While I agree that quotas are the dumbest solution to racism in history I do think there's a lot of issue with the academy awards. Everything I've heard about what goes on behind the nomination and review process has been so hilariously bad that I'm amazed they've retained credibility in general, lack of diversity included

reverse racism isnt real

[QUOTE=Zukriuchen;49584500][IMG]http://puu.sh/mFtcR/94a7500e44.jpg[/IMG] [IMG]http://puu.sh/mFtdo/bf3ee93b47.jpg[/IMG] [editline]22nd January 2016[/editline] [B]yet lawrence gets nominated for the critically panned joy because god forbid she miss out a year[/B][/QUOTE] Both films you have listed are deserving of Oscars in the best Actor category, not the best actress. I'm not saying that I agree that Lawrence deserves a nomination, but please point me towards a black actress who deserves the nomination more and I will agree with you.

[QUOTE=ElectronicG19;49584574]Both films you have listed are deserving of Oscars in the best Actor category, not the best actress. I'm not saying that I agree that Lawrence deserves a nomination, but please point me towards a black actress who deserves the nomination more and I will agree with you.[/QUOTE] sorry, that was a bit of an unrelated jab at her. not that she's winning over someone else who i think did a better job, just the fact that she's there at all for another david o russell flick makes me roll my eyes

Stop looking at this with such easy simplicity. There might not be any minorities who deserved it this year (almost certainly not true) but that's probably because there's always so fewer roles for them to play because hollywood loves it's white people. Also I think it's hilarious that this person said "everyone's basically accepted now" based upon her own experiences of the world as a rich white actor. I just read that, 2007-2012, non-caucasian people account for 44% of domestic US ticket sales yet only 24% of available roles. ([URL]http://annenberg.usc.edu/sitecore/shell/Applications/~/media/PDFs/RaceEthnicity.ashx[/URL]) So there's a big problem somewhere although I agree that it's probably not with the academy and more with hollywood execs. [editline]22nd January 2016[/editline] [QUOTE=ElectronicG19;49584574]Both films you have listed are deserving of Oscars in the best Actor category, not the best actress. I'm not saying that I agree that Lawrence deserves a nomination, but please point me towards a black actress who deserves the nomination more and I will agree with you.[/QUOTE] The only people who received nominations from Straight Outta Compton were its two white screenwriters.

It's a simple solution. Vote with your wallet like always. Want more minority actresses and actors and directors? Attend and buy more movies with minority actresses, actors and directors. You can't strong arm the industry that is driven by profits into doing something just for the sake of being more balanced if it is going to lose them revenue. It will only change for real if that change is profitable.

[QUOTE=Ajacks;49584623]It's a simple solution. Vote with your wallet like always. Want more minority actresses and actors and directors? Attend and buy more movies with minority actresses, actors and directors. You can't strong arm the industry that is driven by profits into doing something just for the sake of being more balanced if it is going to lose them revenue. It will only change for real if that change is profitable.[/QUOTE] [QUOTE=Shozamar]I just read that, 2007-2012, non-caucasian people account for 44% of domestic US ticket sales yet only 24% of available roles. ([URL="http://annenberg.usc.edu/sitecore/shell/Applications/~/media/PDFs/RaceEthnicity.ashx"]http://annenberg.usc.edu/sitecore/sh...Ethnicity.ashx[/URL])[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=shozamar;49584604] The only people who received nominations from Straight Outta Compton were its two white screenwriters.[/QUOTE] Is this inherit racism? I only wonder because I don't know. Did the two writers deserve it? Were there contributions to the work greater in comparison to the works of their other coworkers when compared to other works in the industry? And most importantly, Hollywood really cares about it's "Artistic" films so much that they've created formulaic manners of earning an oscar. That's a bigger issue than "not enough black people were nominated" because it systemically plays into it over time.

I enjoyed creed and SoC, but I don't think I'd consider either of them oscar worthy. Stallone's performance was a little better than Jordans, but honestly I didn't really see it as very noteworthy either. But that's just opinion. Still need to watch beast of no nation

[QUOTE=shozamar;49584604] The only people who received nominations from Straight Outta Compton were its two white screenwriters.[/QUOTE] I feel like I'm supposed to just assume this is a problem why is this a problem

[QUOTE=Mr. Scorpio;49584650]I feel like I'm supposed to just assume this is a problem why is this a problem[/QUOTE] because white people

[QUOTE=shozamar;49584630] I just read that, 2007-2012, non-caucasian people account for 44% of domestic US ticket sales yet only 24% of available roles. ([URL]http://annenberg.usc.edu/sitecore/sh...Ethnicity.ashx[/URL])[/QUOTE] That is not relevant to what I said. Just because 56% of ticket sales are to non-Caucasians, does not mean that all of those 56% of ticket sales are going towards movies staring non-Caucasian actors and actresses. Now if that 56% of non-Caucasians showed preference through their viewing choices and purchases to movies starring or directed by non-Caucasians then the industry would reflect that through the movies they produce, because it would be the most profitable.

[QUOTE=RichyZ;49584528]yeah the racism is a secondary issue, the fact that you can essentially tailor a film to some really pretentious tastes that haven't changed in 20 years to win the most coveted awards in the industry is pretty awful[/QUOTE] and yet Straight Out of Compton and Creed would both usually be super strong Oscar bait, one's a musician biopic and the other is a fucking underdog sports movie

Straight Out of Compton's acting hardly deserves a Oscar.

[QUOTE=Cone;49584690]and yet Straight Out of Compton and Creed would both usually be super strong Oscar bait, one's a musician biopic and the other is a fucking underdog sports movie[/QUOTE] Why is Creed Oscar bait when it's not really fitting that definition for me at all

[QUOTE=Amiga OS;49584259]There is no such thing as reverse racism :smile:[/QUOTE] [QUOTE=KillRay;49584537]reverse racism isnt real[/QUOTE] I respect that this is your opinions but I think it's ridiculous. If a black man comes to me and calls me a honky and is being dead serious then that is racism. If I went to a black man and call him the n-word and I'm being dead serious then that is racism. It has nothing to do with power, discrimination against any race is racism.

If, in some mystical universe, the reason that there were no black actors nominated was that it just happened, by pure coincidence, that no black people did anything worthy of nominations, this would hold true. The probability of that is negligible. In reality, it stems both from the subconscious selection biases of the judges as well as institutional problems in the availability and access to good roles for black actors. I am all for picking the best person for the job but the idea that black people, through no direct or inadvertent discrimination anywhere in the system, just happen to be unrepresented in the Oscars is laughable.

It's pretty racist to be automatically upset that the nominees are of other races than your own. But it really does seem like there's some bias going on with these nominations in this case.

[QUOTE=xbax;49584828]I respect that this is your opinions but I think it's ridiculous. If a black man comes to me and calls me a honky and is being dead serious then that is racism. If I went to a black man and call him the n-word and I'm being dead serious then that is racism. It has nothing to do with power, discrimination against any race is racism.[/QUOTE] The problem stems from two valid definitions of racism. Academically, individual cases of discrimination (e.g. a black guy punching you because you're white) are mostly irrelevant, so that definition of racism refers to institutionalised racism, where the entire system discriminates. White people rarely face that. You are using the colloquial definition of racism which is fair enough, but I don't think anyone is claiming that no one ever suffers individual cases of racism.

[QUOTE=HumanAbyss;49584802]Why is Creed Oscar bait when it's not really fitting that definition for me at all[/QUOTE] because it's a fairly simple sports tale about a likable guy who puts himself through intense physical and emotional training to beat the odds and win the respect of his family and loved ones. it's a standard story told well and they usually go nuts over that kind of thing [editline]22nd January[/editline] i should qualify that a movie doesn't have to be bad or overly gimmicky to be Oscar bait

[QUOTE=Zukriuchen;49584589]sorry, that was a bit of an unrelated jab at her. not that she's winning over someone else who i think did a better job, just the fact that she's there at all for another david o russell flick makes me roll my eyes[/QUOTE] i feel the same way for meryl streep