Congress to cut wasteful spending, Republicans outraged - Polidicks

[QUOTE=NBC News]Congress is set to hold hearings on Tuesday about the Pentagon's plan to close a joint military command in Norfolk and eliminate thousands of defense contracts with Virginia companies. It's a plan that Virginia says will be devastating. The governor and members of Congress are furious with the Department of Defense for the decision and the way it came about. They hope Tuesday's meetings will be enough to force the Pentagon to slow down this effort, which could eliminate more than 6,000 Virginia jobs. If the Pentagon goes forward with their plan it would close the U.S. Joint Forces Command that's based in Norfolk by next fall. The plan would also eliminate defense contracts with Virginia companies by 30 percent over the next three years. Governor Bob McDonnell's Military Advisor Terrie Suit said, "It's a travesty to the citizens and the taxpayers of this country. It's been extremely frustrating. Virginia has, I mean really, literally, a 400 year history with the military." However, Virginia fears that history could take a huge hit if the Pentagon's cost-saving plan moves forward. Two weeks ago, McDonnell described the potential blow as "a devastating impact on economic stability in Virginia." Tuesday, Congress will hold hearings on the plan, and defense department staffers will brief Virginia's military experts. Suit said, "What we've asked for repeatedly is the documentation, the empirical data, the research that supports the decision the secretary is trying to make." McDonnell said, "None of the data we've been provided so far seems to give any credible support." The governor and members of the state's Congressional Delegation are furious with the Pentagon for the process it used to come up with this plan. "I don't know how they back the train up and produce documentation that was the basis for this decision now if they didn't have it four weeks ago," said Suit. The Pentagon says these moves are necessary to contain costs. Staffers have described them as "philosophical decisions", but that explanation did little to satisfy members of the Virginia delegation who believe the process was rushed along in too much secrecy.[/QUOTE] [url]http://www.nbc29.com/story/13225182/mcdonnell-concerned-about-pentagons-plan?redirected=true[/url] Seems like no matter what you do you can't make them happy. Also Republicans already 'pledged' to do this so I really don't understand why they're so mad.

Republicans will complain about anything Democrats do.

[QUOTE=TheBatman;25097276]Republicans will complain about anything Democrats do.[/QUOTE] As every political party will do to their rival. Welcome to U.S. politics.

I'd close off shore bases before bases in the US, since the US might actually create a couple of jobs, but I'll take what I can get. Ideally, they'll shut down 80% of their shitty bases.

[QUOTE=TheBatman;25097276]Republicans will complain about anything Democrats do.[/QUOTE] Democrats will complain about anything Republicans do. hurr hurr derp welcome to the two party system.

Good, we waste enough money on military contracts. Put some of it in the space program dammit

[QUOTE=TheBatman;25097276]Republicans will complain about anything Democrats do.[/QUOTE] This is why I'm disgusted by the US's bipartisan government. It only inhibits progress. Like religion.

[QUOTE=kidwithsword;25097526]This is why I'm disgusted by the US's bipartisan government. It only inhibits progress.[B] Like religion.[/B][/QUOTE] Nice, let's try to start a shitstorm by mentioning something COMPLETELY AND TOTALLY unrelated to the article.

[QUOTE=kidwithsword;25097526]This is why I'm disgusted by the US's bipartisan government. It only inhibits progress. Like religion.[/QUOTE] Right, we should replace it with a one party government. We all know how well that works out.

[QUOTE=s0beit;25097828]Right, we should replace it with a one party government. We all know how well that works out.[/QUOTE] No party government.

[QUOTE=kidwithsword;25097526]This is why I'm disgusted by the US's bipartisan government. It only inhibits progress. Like religion.[/QUOTE] :munch:

yes we should go into debt killing people but god forbid we go into debt helping people thats just plan wrong

Fuck, Incoming religion shitstorm.

For anyone reading article, cutting this spending would get rid of 6,000 jobs and could have an impact on Virgina's economy. It's at least understandable as to why people would oppose it. [QUOTE=Saxon;25097458]Good, we waste enough money on military contracts. Put some of it in the space program dammit[/QUOTE] Pump more money into Nasa. It's already wasting enough.

[QUOTE=Pepin;25098062]For anyone reading article, cutting this spending would get rid of 6,000 jobs and could have an impact on Virgina's economy. It's at least understandable as to why people would oppose it. Pump more money into Nasa. It's already wasting enough.[/QUOTE] it is just as easy to create 6000 jobs for humanitarian spending, yet whenever we try that republicans also hate it.

[QUOTE=valiant.;25098329]it is just as easy to create 6000 jobs for humanitarian spending, yet whenever we try that republicans also hate it.[/QUOTE] Most humanitarian spending goes to waste or is given to the wrong people.

[QUOTE=zombiefreak;25098400]Most humanitarian spending goes to waste or is given to the wrong people.[/QUOTE] so do you have anything to back up this statement or what also implying that military spending doesn't go to waste: war is a waste kid, a waste of billions of dollars and millions of lives - military spending will never be better than humanitarian spending

[QUOTE=valiant.;25098329]it is just as easy to create 6000 jobs for humanitarian spending, yet whenever we try that republicans also hate it.[/QUOTE] I hate the military industrial complex but humanitarianism in the government is a problem because it's hard to find something to [i]not[/i] spend money on. [quote=valiant.] also implying that military spending doesn't go to waste: war is a waste kid, a waste of billions of dollars and millions of lives - military spending will never be better than humanitarian spending [/quote] Sorry, but "better"? Don't play the moral compass game.

[QUOTE=s0beit;25098808]I hate the military industrial complex but humanitarianism in the government is a problem because it's hard to find something to [i]not[/i] spend money on. Sorry, but "better"? Don't play the moral compass game.[/QUOTE] 1. mentioning a military industrial complex makes your opinion look dumb and i never said anything like that 2. if we werent spending it on humanitarian aid we'd be wasting it on tools of death so its still an improvement. 3. i'm not playing a moral compass game. compare spending billions of dollars on inventing 1000 ways to kill a tribal soldier fighting for his home country from etceterastan, to inventing 1000 ways to save innocent lives abroad and within our own borders.

Anything dealing with the defense of this "great" country is never wasteful. Also, Virginia is predominantly Democrat. The Democrats are throwing their OWN FUCKING STATE under the bus. It's called "Peace--through superior firepower." But, you're completely right, valiant. Let's spend billions of dollars on humanitarian needs and negotiations. Let's negotiate with the terrorists who want to chop us up into tiny pieces, set them on fire, then nuke the ashes to eliminate us completely from the universe. That sounds so fucking reasonable (Don't believe me, listen to what Immadinnerjacket says about the USA).

Long Story Short: Polititians bitching and moaning about something the other political party did. Pretty much the same thing as all the other million news articles.

[QUOTE=s0beit;25098808]I hate the military industrial complex but humanitarianism in the government is a problem because it's hard to find something to [i]not[/i] spend money on. Sorry, but "better"? Don't play the moral compass game.[/QUOTE] You can apply utilitarian principles to it. Every dollar that goes into funding a war generally causes a net loss of life, as well as a net loss of happiness. These dollars also fund infrastructure degradation, and make land unusable. Because of these factors being generally true about war, throwing the money away would be a better use than spending it on a war campaign, as taking money out of the economy at least reduces inflation.

[QUOTE={ABK}AbbySciuto;25099003]Anything dealing with the defense of this "great" country is never wasteful. Also, Virginia is predominantly Democrat. The Democrats are throwing their OWN FUCKING STATE under the bus. It's called "Peace--through superior firepower." But, you're completely right, valiant. Let's spend billions of dollars on humanitarian needs and negotiations. Let's negotiate with the terrorists who want to chop us up into tiny pieces, set them on fire, then nuke the ashes to eliminate us completely from the universe. That sounds so fucking reasonable (Don't believe me, listen to what Immadinnerjacket says about the USA).[/QUOTE] hahahahahaha thanks for this m8 needed a laugh.

Nah, there's a ton of people down here who have been stealing federal funding since the beginning of the bush administraion and using federal patronage and their connections in the government and security indusdry to afford luxuy houses, BMW's, and all kinds of nice things for their spoiled rotten kids that you wouldn't be able to afford without wasting taxpayer money. They deserve to be cut off. Leaches.

[QUOTE=HolyCrusade;25097703]Nice, let's try to start a shitstorm by mentioning something COMPLETELY AND TOTALLY unrelated to the article.[/QUOTE] It's an analogy. But there won't be a shitstorm as long as someone doesn't retaliate harshly to it.

[QUOTE=Kagrenak;25099095]You can apply utilitarian principals to it. Every dollar that goes into funding a war generally causes a net loss of life, as well as a net loss of happiness. These dollars also fund infrastructure degradation, and make land unusable. Because of these factors being generally true about war, throwing the money away would be a better use than spending it on a war campaign, as taking money out of the economy at least reduces inflation.[/QUOTE] kant's universal law works also. would you rather everyone in the world spend on humanitarian aid or on military spending. and i don't know about aristotle but i never bought into the self-interest theory of ethics. ps. i like the jab you put in at the end. subtle yet mocking. nice job. [editline]08:32PM[/editline] [QUOTE=Xystus234;25099113]Nah, there's a ton of people down here who have been stealing federal funding since the beginning of the bush administraion and using federal patronage and their connections in the government and security indusdry to afford luxuy houses, BMW's, and all kinds of nice things for their spoiled rotten kids that you wouldn't be able to afford without wasting taxpayer money. They deserve to be cut off. Leaches.[/QUOTE] no shit. i was going to use this as a counter but i'm to lazy to find a source right now to back it up and didn't feel like using unbacked claims right now

[QUOTE={ABK}AbbySciuto;25099003]-snip-[/QUOTE] Um. [img]http://gyazo.com/a8436808f6476dd4abce65adb09d9f06.png[/img] Nuking them would be bad, if not worse. If anything, it'll encourage several more people to join terrorism and we would become even worse than the terrorists themselves.

[QUOTE={ABK}AbbySciuto;25099003]Anything dealing with the defense of this "great" country is never wasteful. Also, Virginia is predominantly Democrat. The Democrats are throwing their OWN FUCKING STATE under the bus. It's called "Peace--through superior firepower." But, you're completely right, valiant. Let's spend billions of dollars on humanitarian needs and negotiations. Let's negotiate with the terrorists who want to chop us up into tiny pieces, set them on fire, then nuke the ashes to eliminate us completely from the universe. That sounds so fucking reasonable (Don't believe me, listen to what Immadinnerjacket says about the USA).[/QUOTE] You're really dumb. Do you even know why terrorists attacked America (once)? Gee maybe we should stop sticking our dicks into the Middle East and leave them alone. Perish the thought.

[QUOTE=CoolKingKaso;25099209]Um. Nuking them would be bad, if not worse. If anything, it'll encourage several more people to join terrorism and we would become even worse than the terrorists themselves.[/QUOTE] there are two options here. option a: he was trolling and you fell for it. option b: he actually believes what he's saying, in which case you will never be able to convince him otherwise - logic doesn't apply here. you wasted your time. both options don't dignify a response and i suggest all future posters to heed my advice

[QUOTE=HolyCrusade;25097703]Nice, let's try to start a shitstorm by mentioning something COMPLETELY AND TOTALLY unrelated to the article.[/QUOTE] Am I not entitled to an opinion? You don't have to agree with me. I am just stating what I believe.