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[QUOTE]NOKIA contributed a quarter of Finnish growth from 1998 to 2007, according to figures from the Research Institute of the Finnish Economy (ETLA). Over the same period, the mobile-phone manufacturer’s spending on research and development made up 30% of the country’s total, and it generated nearly a fifth of Finland’s exports. In the decade to 2007, Nokia was sometimes paying as much as 23% of all Finnish corporation tax. No wonder that a decline in its fortunes—Nokia’s share price has fallen by 90% since 2007, thanks partly to Apple’s ascent—has clouded Finland’s outlook.
Are any other economies so reliant on one company? The researchers at ETLA calculate Nokia’s value-added to work out its importance to Finland, but such data are not widely available. A look at firms’ sales as a percentage of GDP (see table) offers a cruder indication of clout. We used the Dow Jones Global Index to identify firms whose revenues ranked highest in the country of their listing.
Firms like ArcelorMittal, Essar Energy and China Mobile make the top ten because of their choice of domicile; their economic activity mainly takes place elsewhere. Oil-and-gas firms feature heavily, although that may simply show that certain economies are dependent on a certain type of activity rather than a specific firm. Lower down the list the presence of Sands China, a casino developer and operator whose sales are 13% of Macao’s GDP, reflects the importance of gambling to the territory.
Strip these sorts of firms from the list and only one resembles Nokia: Taiwan’s Hon Hai, an electronics manufacturer. Yet Nokia made 27% of Finnish patent applications last year; the corresponding figure for Hon Hai was 8%. Although numbers are falling, Finland is home to the greatest number of Nokia employees; Hon Hai’s staff is mostly in China. It is a similar story with other firms. Sales of Nestlé, a consumer-goods company, weigh in at 15% of Swiss GDP but its share of Swiss jobs is punier than Nokia’s in Finland. Samsung, whose revenues are twice Nokia’s, has half its clout as a share of GDP: South Korea’s economy is more diversified. The importance of Nokia to Finland looks like a one-off.[/QUOTE]
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Bring back no-bullshit phones
I'd love to see what nokia would do if they decided to make a new phone based on the 1100 or something.
People who don't live in developing economies or aren't children (though even the children are beginning not to buy them anyway) don't buy these. You may, but you people are not in the majority. It simply isn't economically viable to compete with super low cost phones, neither is is viable to compete with Apple, Samsung and the like.
Developing economies have been a major part of Nokia's market since forever.
I fucking love Nokia
[QUOTE=latin_geek;37535046]Developing economies have been a major part of Nokia's market since forever.[/QUOTE]
Yes, but they're being pushed out in both markets because they aren't specialising.
I've had my current Nokia phone on me for five years and counting. It survived through military service with me. The screen is so thoroughly scratched that it's now probably half its original thickness. Dropping it onto the floor is nothing. It's been dropped into mud, stepped on and it's fallen from a moving vehicle. I've used it as a flashlight while chopping firewood during a freezing winter night, in temperatures around -30 degrees Celsius, and used it in a sauna to call a friend for more booze. Not once has it complained or refused to work.
The one, and probably only, time I bought a phone that wasn't made by Nokia, it didn't last 6 months of normal use.
[QUOTE=ThePuska;37535393]I've had my current Nokia phone on me for five years and counting. It survived through military service with me. The screen is so thoroughly scratched that it's now probably half its original thickness. Dropping it onto the floor is nothing. It's been dropped into mud, stepped on and it's fallen from a moving vehicle. I've used it as a flashlight while chopping firewood during a freezing winter night, in temperatures around -30 degrees Celsius, and used it in a sauna to call a friend for more booze. Not once has it complained or refused to work.
The one, and probably only, time I bought a phone that wasn't made by Nokia, it didn't last 6 months of normal use.[/QUOTE]
My dads Nokia lost 2 buttons the first week of usage.
Wait what do you say, anecdotal and selected evidence doesn't count? Oh.
[QUOTE=Killuah;37535429]My dads Nokia lost 2 buttons the first week of usage.
Wait what do you say, anecdotal and selected evidence doesn't count? Oh.[/QUOTE]
But did it stop working? no
[QUOTE=Killuah;37535429]My dads Nokia lost 2 buttons the first week of usage.
Wait what do you say, anecdotal and selected evidence doesn't count? Oh.[/QUOTE]
Aren't nokia's newer phones laughably easy to break
[QUOTE=Killuah;37535429]My dads Nokia lost 2 buttons the first week of usage.
Wait what do you say, anecdotal and selected evidence doesn't count? Oh.[/QUOTE]
My anecdotal evidence of a factory defect outweighs your anecdotal evidence of a phone being badass.
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[QUOTE=latin_geek;37534999]Bring back no-bullshit phones
I'd love to see what nokia would do if they decided to make a new phone based on the 1100 or something.[/QUOTE]
Bullshit to a minimum phone:
[url]http://www.greatcall.com/jitterbug/[/url]
[QUOTE=ThePuska;37535393]I've had my current Nokia phone on me for five years and counting. It survived through military service with me. The screen is so thoroughly scratched that it's now probably half its original thickness. Dropping it onto the floor is nothing. It's been dropped into mud, stepped on and it's fallen from a moving vehicle. I've used it as a flashlight while chopping firewood during a freezing winter night, in temperatures around -30 degrees Celsius, and used it in a sauna to call a friend for more booze. Not once has it complained or refused to work.
The one, and probably only, time I bought a phone that wasn't made by Nokia, it didn't last 6 months of normal use.[/QUOTE]
I've dropped my lumia 800 from some lengths deemed to shatter an iPhone/samsung screen instantly, I've got 1 little tiny scratch on it and that's it.
I use it as a flashlight when I need to find something, it's handy to find shit around me, I've had one minor bug and that's going through zune too fast and it is always on 50% battery after a full day use when I get home (7AM unplug, 4PM charge)
My friends iPhone's run dry in 5 hours if they do the same as me
Nokia for life
[QUOTE=latin_geek;37535481]Aren't nokia's newer phones laughably easy to break[/QUOTE]
The lumia 800 is pretty tough, I've dropped it from quite a few heights and nothings happened.
Also
[media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dWam9pnN_aM[/media]
Shower me with boxes, Nokia fanboys. Your precious company is in deep shit. They shouldn't have go with Windows Phone. And I can bet my ass that they would be doing great if they would move to Android.
[QUOTE=koeniginator;37535616]Bullshit to a minimum phone:
[url]http://www.greatcall.com/jitterbug/[/url][/QUOTE]
Colored screens pfffft.
I've got the N900, and even that is made of tanks made of rock made of grizzly bear
[QUOTE=Falchion;37535645]Colored screens pfffft.[/QUOTE]
That phone is so badass, it makes the elderly dance like it was the 20s again.
[QUOTE=koeniginator;37535616]Bullshit to a minimum phone:
[url]http://www.greatcall.com/jitterbug/[/url][/QUOTE]
For $99 you might aswell get a ZTE Blade, to be honest Android doesn't have a lot of unnecessary features on it (of course that depends on how many apps you install).
[QUOTE=latin_geek;37535481]Aren't nokia's newer phones laughably easy to break[/QUOTE]
They still go through the same drop tests, and they still pass them. They're still of excellent quality.
Nokia is pretty much the best at hardware.
The only debate is whether Windows Phone 8 will be good enough for Nokia's hardware.
Statoil in Norway is a state owned company. "Stat" means "State". Well, the government holds 67% of the shares.
[editline]4th September 2012[/editline]
[QUOTE=FlashFireSix;37535048]I fucking love Nokia[/QUOTE]
Most Nokia owners are very loyal to Nokia. I love my Nokia N9, only thing is I wish the android firmware for it was more developed. MeeGo simply doesn't have enough apps anymore.
[QUOTE=brainmaster;37536751]Statoil in Norway is a state owned company. "Stat" means "State". Well, the government holds 67% of the shares.
[editline]4th September 2012[/editline]
Most Nokia owners are very loyal to Nokia. I love my Nokia N9, only thing is I wish the android firmware for it was more developed. MeeGo simply doesn't have enough apps anymore.[/QUOTE]
I loved the shit out of my Nokia E63. It did everything I wanted it to do and while having great battery life. Unfortunately they don't make Android phones and I love Android, so its a bit of a conflict for me.
[QUOTE=Demache;37537071]I loved the shit out of my Nokia E63. It did everything I wanted it to do and while having great battery life. Unfortunately they don't make Android phones and I love Android, so its a bit of a conflict for me.[/QUOTE]
I'd recommend trying outm WP8 when it comes out - just go to a store and play around with one. WP7 has been very nice to me, and while it may not have the app support of Android, the overall experience on low-middle ranged devices is just so much better.
[QUOTE=GoDong-DK;37537182]I'd recommend trying outm WP8 when it comes out - just go to a store and play around with one. WP7 has been very nice to me, and while it may not have the app support of Android, the overall experience on low-middle ranged devices is just so much better.[/QUOTE]
Well my contract isn't up for another year and a half, but I will give Windows Phone a chance though. I considered it awhile ago, but I decided against it because of the app support. I'm sure it will be better by then though.
Nokia Lumina 800 owner here, i can vouch that they are study as shit. I've dropped my quite a few times and all it has to show for it are a few scratches.
[QUOTE=Bambo.;37537310]Nokia Lumina 800 owner here, i can vouch that they are study as shit. I've dropped my quite a few times and all it has to show for it are a few scratches.[/QUOTE]
Same here, I've gotten more scratches from wiping shit off it with a shirt than dropping it from a few meters. And there's barely any scratches on it at all.
[QUOTE=brainmaster;37536751]Statoil in Norway is a state owned company. "Stat" means "State". Well, the government holds 67% of the shares.
[editline]4th September 2012[/editline]
I don't use a nokia I use an HTC Desire Z android phone
I love nokia because it's just like "I'm a phone" and it's fucking GOOD at it unlike my current phone and others where companies cheap out on the hardware so calls sound absolutely shit (looking at you HTC)
I just wish nokia made android phones.
Most Nokia owners are very loyal to Nokia. I love my Nokia N9, only thing is I wish the android firmware for it was more developed. MeeGo simply doesn't have enough apps anymore.[/QUOTE]
Still got my 3310 that my grandma gave me 5 years ago
The adaptor for charging the battery died and had to be replaced (not even part of the phone :v:) and that's just about anything that has [I]ever[/I] happened so far. Indestructible.
[QUOTE=Demache;37537071]I loved the shit out of my Nokia E63. It did everything I wanted it to do and while having great battery life. Unfortunately they don't make Android phones and I love Android, so its a bit of a conflict for me.[/QUOTE]
Past-E63 bro's, the battery life was amazing, I charged mine every saturday :v:
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