Iraq in negotiations to buy loads of attack helicopters, fighter jets - Polidicks

[IMG]http://i.imgur.com/qiQlQqH.png[/IMG] [QUOTE]A Russian official revealed that “Iraq negotiates over conducting a second armament deal with Russia that includes warplanes, armored vehicle and tanks.” “These negotiations prove that Iraq intends to buy Russian weapons despite the American pressure because Iraqi military officers are accustomed to use Russian weapons,” he added. [/QUOTE] [url]http://www.iraqinews.com/baghdad-politics/russian-official-iraq-negotiates-nd-weapons-deal-with-russia/#ixzz2KsW5zvCn[/url] Good thing their country is oil rich, I think they could have spent this money on better things though.

Those are some sexy Mi-28s

wait till they are used secretly on behalf of al kahida. the security forces are notoriously corrupt and about half are sympathetic to terrorist causes (though tbh that depends on what you class as terrorism)

I thought it said "Iran" again.

They'd better get some Hinds. Those things are cool

I'm glad to see Iraq is recovering, US got snubbed :v:

[QUOTE=Zambies!;39605896]I'm glad to see Iraq is recovering, US got snubbed :v:[/QUOTE] The situation is kind of funny, insane amounts of money spent on Iraq and Afghanistan, and Afghanistan is dependent on Iranian trade. Then you have Iraq's government recently tilting towards Eastern political interests in the grand scheme of things, but still rather neutral.

[QUOTE=Vodkavia;39606155]Aren't those p. obsolete?[/QUOTE] The mi-28 is the dedicated attack copter derivative, old yes, but not obsolete. You know what is also old, but still commonly used? The Apache. Helicopters have long service lives.

[QUOTE=deadoon;39606381]The mi-28 is the dedicated attack copter derivative, old yes, but not obsolete. You know what is also old, but still commonly used? The Apache. Helicopters have long service lives.[/QUOTE] He means hinds. And, no. Hinds are not obsolete.

[QUOTE=don868;39606396]He means hinds. And, no. Hinds are not obsolete.[/QUOTE] I know, the mi-28, what they are buying, is a derivative of the hind. It removes the troop carrying ability replacing it with more weapon mounts it seems.

I'd assume after using them in Afghanistan and other wars for so long the Russians have developed a good use for a flying gunship cross armoured bus. [editline]15th February 2013[/editline] [QUOTE=deadoon;39606412]I know, the mi-28, what they are buying, is a derivative of the hind. It removes the troop carrying ability replacing it with more weapon mounts it seems.[/QUOTE] No it isn't.

[QUOTE=deadoon;39606412]I know, the mi-28, what they are buying, is a derivative of the hind. It removes the troop carrying ability replacing it with more weapon mounts it seems.[/QUOTE] They used the Mi-24 as a base for the very first prototype, just slimming the hull. Then they scraped that idea entirely and redesigned the entire helicopter into a dedicated attack helicopter. Hell they even said "Guys, you know what would be genius? Putting a troop carrier in this thing!"

At least Russia isn't Al-Queda.

[QUOTE=don868;39606446]They used the Mi-24 as a base for the very first prototype, just slimming the hull. Then they scraped that idea entirely and redesigned the entire helicopter into a dedicated attack helicopter. Hell they even said "Guys, you know what would be genius? Putting a troop carrier in this thing!"[/QUOTE] Yeah, I guess me calling it a derivative is kind of saying that is more closely related than it really is, I meant derivative as they took the idea and certain parts and made a more specialized aircraft out of a general purpose one and optimized it for that role by removing any trace of the general purpose capacity.

[QUOTE=don868;39605094]Those are some sexy Mi-28s[/QUOTE] not so sexy when they are firing rockets and shit at you.

[QUOTE=ridinmybike;39606532]not so sexy when they are firing rockets and shit at you.[/QUOTE] [t]http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/9/9d/LAAD_stinger.jpg[/t] NONSENSE!

Well atleast the negotiation isn't Al-Queda

[QUOTE=deadoon;39606381]The mi-28 is the dedicated attack copter derivative, old yes, but not obsolete. You know what is also old, but still commonly used? The Apache. Helicopters have long service lives.[/QUOTE] Most of the US equipment is just as old as the Russian shit, just about everything both sides use was made during the Cold War. We've been using the Abrams for 30 years.

[QUOTE=Sir_takeslot;39607914]Most of the US equipment is just as old as the Russian shit, just about everything both sides use was made during the Cold War. We've been using the Abrams for 30 years.[/QUOTE] Except it gets upgraded every now and then. Speaking about the spending I find this a good deal for the situation in Iraq.They still have to deal with insurgents and probably want higher quality AK-type weapons because of the ease and costs of use.Obviously, the vehicles and aircraft will be good deals.

[QUOTE=Itsjustguy;39607939]Except it gets upgraded every now and then. Speaking about the spending I find this a good deal for the situation in Iraq.They still have to deal with insurgents and probably want higher quality AK-type weapons because of the ease and costs of use.Obviously, the vehicles and aircraft will be good deals.[/QUOTE] So does Soviet/Russian stuff. The T90 is an updated T72.

[QUOTE=Itsjustguy;39607939]Except it gets upgraded every now and then. Speaking about the spending I find this a good deal for the situation in Iraq.They still have to deal with insurgents and probably want higher quality AK-type weapons because of the ease and costs of use.Obviously, the vehicles and aircraft will be good deals.[/QUOTE] This is like the 2nd time I've seen someone in sensationalist headlines say that the Russians don't produce upgrades for their equipment. Just for the record, the airframe itself might be prototyped in the late eighties it wasn't actually finished until the 90's, the Mi-28 is actually newer than the Apache. [QUOTE]The Russian Army received the first Mi-28 prototypes for testing in 2004.[1] It received the first serial production Mi-28N in 2006,[6][7] which then joined two prototype helicopters for army trials. The aircraft entered service in 2006.[12] [/QUOTE]

Good for them then And we still sell rifles to Bangladesh

This is a good thing considering the fact the biggest threat to them currently is Iran.

[QUOTE=zombieslaya;39609817]This is a good thing considering the fact the biggest threat to them currently is Iran.[/QUOTE] Iran is their friend.

[QUOTE=laserguided;39609826]Iran is their friend.[/QUOTE] In what way? Iran and Iraq still don't like each other, and Iraq would prefer to maintain her independence. Plus the religious issue, and plus Saudi Arabia/Kuwait/Jordan want to keep Iraq in check.

[QUOTE=Zambies!;39609850]In what way? Iran and Iraq still don't like each other, and Iraq would prefer to maintain her independence. Plus the religious issue, and plus Saudi Arabia/Kuwait/Jordan want to keep Iraq in check.[/QUOTE] [url]http://thediplomat.com/new-leaders-forum/2012/01/24/iran-gets-close-to-iraq/[/url] [url]http://www.nytimes.com/2012/08/19/world/middleeast/us-says-iraqis-are-helping-iran-skirt-sanctions.html?pagewanted=all&_r=0[/url] [url]http://www.iraq-businessnews.com/2013/01/26/iran-iraq-trade-could-hit-12bn/[/url] [url]http://www.nytimes.com/2012/12/02/world/middleeast/us-is-stumbling-in-effort-to-cut-syria-arms-flow.html?pagewanted=all[/url] I googled for a quick article to explain the situation to you in a nutshell since you probably don't keep track of this stuff as much as I do. Seriously though your post is dead wrong. [editline]16th February 2013[/editline] Russians, Iraqi's see eye to eye on FP issues and so do Iran-Russia/Iran-Iraq. They're really natural partners.

[QUOTE=laserguided;39609878][url]http://thediplomat.com/new-leaders-forum/2012/01/24/iran-gets-close-to-iraq/[/url] [url]http://www.nytimes.com/2012/08/19/world/middleeast/us-says-iraqis-are-helping-iran-skirt-sanctions.html?pagewanted=all&_r=0[/url] [url]http://www.iraq-businessnews.com/2013/01/26/iran-iraq-trade-could-hit-12bn/[/url] [url]http://www.nytimes.com/2012/12/02/world/middleeast/us-is-stumbling-in-effort-to-cut-syria-arms-flow.html?pagewanted=all[/url] I googled for a quick article to explain the situation to you in a nutshell since you probably don't keep track of this stuff as much as I do. Seriously though your post is dead wrong. [editline]16th February 2013[/editline] Russians, Iraqi's see eye to eye on FP issues and so do Iran-Russia/Iran-Iraq. They're really natural partners.[/QUOTE] Well I guess you're right but you can knock off how condescending you sound.

[QUOTE=Zambies!;39609986]Well I guess you're right but you can knock off how condescending you sound.[/QUOTE] really just a week ago you were flaming me for being informed on your alt which was subsequently banned. I thought I was being nice.

[quote]I googled for a quick article to explain the situation to you in a nutshell [b]since you probably don't keep track of this stuff as much as I do.[/b][/quote] [quote][b]Seriously though your post is dead wrong.[/b][/quote]

[QUOTE=Zambies!;39610043][/QUOTE] Well both things there are seemingly true. If they came off as expressing superiority over you then sorry, but that wasn't the point and it makes no sense. End of story.