[B]Warning: I don't think I would call this NSFL, and it's on YouTube so it can't be that bad, but it might be disturbing to you. Bear it in mind.[/B]
Palestine, Texas: Staff at Wal-Mart see 47 year old James Bushey trying to take a case of beer from the store. They follow him to a nearby Applebee's restaurant and call the police. The police turn up and find him hiding in the bathroom. This is what happens next:
[media]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kSiqfM2GR4E[/media]
[sp]The guy was dead by the time the paramedics got there. It turned out his gun was just an air gun. The investigating grand jury was shown this footage, and they concluded that the officers acted properly and no action was taken against them. Could have been different if there was no bodycam and all we had was "Cops kill man with BB gun"[/sp]
Here's an article on the incident:
[url]http://www.palestineherald.com/news/bushey-shooting-videos-released/article_34b8e3ec-1f82-11e5-9e3c-0bcf0658377a.html[/url]
And here's the other officer's bodycam footage:
[media]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0V9AOsWQzpc[/media]
Their reactions were quick as fuck
[QUOTE=~Kiwi~v2;48102828]What was the idiot thinking?
Pulling a gun out at officers is not smart. He was basically asking for a death wish. Doesn't matter if it's a replica or a airsoft gun or not. That isn't a joke at all.[/QUOTE]
I'm guessing he thought he could threaten them not to defend themselves and get away, but American police 99/100 times will draw arms when threatened instead of becoming a hostage (?)
[QUOTE=~Kiwi~v2;48102828]What was the idiot thinking?
Pulling a gun out at officers is not smart. He was basically asking for a death wish. Doesn't matter if it's a replica or a airsoft gun or not. That isn't a joke at all.[/QUOTE]
People don't think, they panic.
As for the video, those were a lot of shots. We're taught to shoot till effective, not when someones already on the ground. Probably the adrenaline but still, you don't want to kill the guy.
[QUOTE=~Kiwi~v2;48102828]What was the idiot thinking?
Pulling a gun out at officers is not smart. He was basically asking for a death wish. Doesn't matter if it's a replica or a airsoft gun or not. That isn't a joke at all.[/QUOTE]
suicide by cop?
[QUOTE=~Kiwi~v2;48102828]What was the idiot thinking?
Pulling a gun out at officers is not smart. He was basically asking for a death wish. Doesn't matter if it's a replica or a airsoft gun or not. That isn't a joke at all.[/QUOTE]
You said it. Probably had a death wish.
Suicide by cop.
Unbelievable. It wasn't as graphic I had thought it would be, but still.
[QUOTE=BlackBirdNL;48102855]People don't think, they panic.
As for the video, those were a lot of shots. We're taught to shoot till effective, not when someones already on the ground. Probably the adrenaline but still, you don't want to kill the guy.[/QUOTE]
What? If you start shooting you shoot to kill, especially if the target appears armed. Someone could collapse from a gunshot but still be conscious enough to do harm.
Sgt. Green has some fucking amazing reflexes. The way he pushed the guy away when he started pulling for the gun to give him enough time to pull out his gun before the guy was able to even aim the bb gun at him
I don't blame the cops for thinking they would've died if they hadn't acted.
This is great for bodycams in general. And proves that you'll probably fucking die if you go screwing around with bb gun in public without an orange tip (hell even with the orange tip a cop probably wouldn't be able to tell in a split second)
if it was actually his intention to have suicide by cop; sad and shitty way to go
Holy shit, dat reaction time lmao
I couldnt react that fast
jesus, it's so weird seeing this through a bodycam. Looks like one of those video sketches people do in after effects.
[QUOTE=Enola;48102816]Their reactions were quick as fuck[/QUOTE]
I disagree, the the female officer (1st video) started firing only when the guy was already on the ground.
[QUOTE=Lamar;48103071]I disagree, the the female officer (1st video) started firing only when the guy was already on the ground.[/QUOTE]
Well, her buddy was nearby, you wouldn't want to have a blue on blue incident do you?
Really cool that we can watch both officers' body cams.
It's good that US cops have body cams, in my country the cop probably will get fired and thrown to jail for up to ten years (without body cams)
[QUOTE=Lamar;48103071]I disagree, the the female officer (1st video) started firing only when the guy was already on the ground.[/QUOTE]
Yep, she was much slower. The female officer took the time to: scream GUN GUN GUN, draw her tazer, holster her tazer and then finally draw her firearm in the time it took for the male officer to just unholster and shoot him.
If it had been only her (and a real gun) she might have gotten killed.
Goes to show you better know your duty belt, and know what you're going to pull for what kind of situation. Fractions of a second mean life or death.
[editline]2nd July 2015[/editline]
l337
From what I read that dude recently moved there after a nasty divorce and lived with his brother, sounds more and more like suicide.
[editline]2nd July 2015[/editline]
[QUOTE=Coridan;48103172]Yep, she was much slower. The female officer took the time to: scream GUN GUN GUN, draw her tazer, holster her tazer and then finally draw her firearm in the time it took for the male officer to just unholster and shoot him.
If it had been only her (and a real gun) she might have gotten killed.
Goes to show you better know your duty belt, and know what you're going to pull for what kind of situation. Fractions of a second mean life or death.[/QUOTE]
It's really hard to say for sure, but I think if Green didn't shoot the guy, she would have successfully tazed him before he got the gun (real or not) on her.
That being said, I think Green acted appropriately. It's sad to see a life go, but it's what had to be done in that situation. I don't expect them to take chances when their own life is on the line.
Could you imagine being one of the people in the restaurant and watching that shit go down outside. Crazy shit. What the fuck was he thinking was gonna happen pulling that out anyway?
Amazing work on Green's part tbh. He pulls the guy away from his partner and [I]flings[/I] him into a position where there's no-one and nothing of importance in close range of his strays. Stops firing when he's immobile, not just on the ground. With a reaction that fast and determined, the guy could've just pulled a gun hand gesture and still gotten, and deserved, the same treatment.
Really looks like suicide by cop.
[QUOTE=LoLWaT?;48103238]Man they shot off a lot of rounds even after he was already down. [/QUOTE]
He was still moving.
Imagine being a suicidal shooter and knowing that by simply dropping down as soon as you hear a shot instead of firing back, you can fool cops and get a couple shots on them.
[QUOTE=LoLWaT?;48103238]Man they shot off a lot of rounds even after he was already down.
Then again they're not SWAT or military so they probably aren't expected to be as coordinated or efficient.
Still though.[/QUOTE]
When you are a police officer, at least in US, when you draw and shoot a gun, you don't stop untill you are sure that the target is dead. Stuff like shooting a suspect in the leg to stop him is pure fiction. Few more rounds are well worth not being shot.
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Palestine, Texas
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What could possibly go wrong
Also suicide by cop is one of the shittiest things to do. Forcing a cop to kill somebody hurts not only the cop who does it, but it ruins the image of cops as well because some media outlet will publish a story with the headline "cops kill a man with an airsoft gun"
Also, how the hell can you tell how many rounds are "efficient" or "effective".
It's easy to say that in retrospect, but we don't have HP points that we lose after a certain amount of shots.
[QUOTE=LoLWaT?;48103284]No experience here but I don't think I'd write that off as pure fiction. Wouldn't expect it in ordinary scenarios like these though.[/QUOTE]
Probably happened in some cases, but it's not something that is in the books, or taught to officers.
Fuck they lit him up.
Quick reactions saved the day, even if it was an airsoft gun
I don't think anyone would have acted differently in that situation, the gun looked completely real in that instance, and when you have a cop arresting you this is like THE worst thing you could possibly do
[QUOTE=LoLWaT?;48103284]Well in the end they did exactly as they were trained for. Good thing they had the cams on them.
[editline]July 2, 2015[/editline]
I wouldn't expect it in every day scenarios like these but I wouldn't write that off as pure fiction either. Then again it's not like I have any experience.[/QUOTE]
it's not impossible to shoot someone in the leg but it's not a sensible thing to do in any situation because it's a difficult target and is ineffective as a less lethal option because there's a big artery that if hit will kill you in about half a minute
[QUOTE=Raptors!;48103260]When you are a police officer, at least in US, when you draw and shoot a gun, you don't stop untill you are sure that the target is dead. Stuff like shooting a suspect in the leg to stop him is pure fiction. Few more rounds are well worth not being shot.[/QUOTE]
Pretty sure it's "shoot to stop", not "shoot to kill."
[QUOTE=Raptors!;48103299]Probably happened in some cases, but it's not something that is in the books, or taught to officers.[/QUOTE]
Warning shots and shooting to wound, preferably in the leg, is common in germany ( and probably other european countries ), but considering how easy it is to get a gun in the US that's not a fair comparison.
[QUOTE=Mingebox;48103640]Pretty sure it's "shoot to stop", not "shoot to kill."[/QUOTE]
shoot to stop usually involves shoot to kill. plenty of people have been shot and not even noticed, adrenaline is a hell of a thing
Proper use of force given the scenario, and another major victory for body cameras. These things work both ways, folks. They protect officers just as much as civilians.
[QUOTE=Mingebox;48103640]Pretty sure it's "shoot to stop", not "shoot to kill."[/QUOTE]
No it's usually when taking out a weapon and aiming it, the objective is to kill. Stopping generally implies to kill, that is how you stop something from being a threat.
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