• 22 year old spared jail over sex with 15 year old - "it was utterly inappropriate but fully consente
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Charities have criticised the sentence handed to a 22-year-old dance coach who had sex with two 15-year-old girls - but avoided jail after a judge said he had their 'fulsome consent'. A judge at Manchester Crown Court said that while the behaviour was 'utterly inappropriate', it did not warrant a prison term or any hours of unpaid work. [URL]http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2847142/Dance-coach-22-sex-two-15-year-old-girls-spared-prison-judge-said-fulsome-consent.html[/URL]
The difference between 22 and 15 TOO bad(albeit dodgy) in my book, that and the AOC where I live is 16 so it's not that much of a stretch depending on their birthdays really, not to mention 15 is the AOC in plenty of countries. A bit creepy but not jail time worthy considering the fact they 'fully consented.'
Daily Mail at it again. This doesn't at all fit the definition of p[a]edophilia. [QUOTE]Broni was sentenced him to a three-year community order with a requirement to attend a sex offenders’ programme. He was also handed a five-year Sexual Offences Prevention Order, which will restrict the contact he can have with children.[/QUOTE] And this is outrageous why? This seems perfectly suitable to me, given the circumstances. If the courts gave jail time to every person who had sex with someone under 16, the world would be a very empty place.
I wonder what would have happened if this were to take place in the US
[QUOTE=Banhfunbags;46564410]I wonder what would have happened if this were to take place in the US[/QUOTE] execution (i dont know anything about justice systems)
[QUOTE=Banhfunbags;46564410]I wonder what would have happened if this were to take place in the US[/QUOTE] Almost certainly jail time and a lifetime position on the sex offender list. It happens to 18-year-olds sexting their 16-year-old girlfriends in states where the age of consent is 17, this would be an open-and-shut case.
In the 60's 15 year old girls threw themselves at rockstars. One (I think of Led Zep) took one home and locked her in his house where they would just have sex all the time. It's important to remember every 15 year old is different. Some just want sex all over the place. Sex sex sex. I myself certainly wasn't mature enough for it at 15, but I was always quite young for my age. Doesn't mean my classmates weren't doing it. People in my class were doing it with people our age, a few years older. Maybe a year younger. If it's consenstual and safe and not at all malicious on any part, then so be it. I can't say I'd want to have sex with a 15 year old. But if I was a 15 year old I wouldn't have said no to a 22 year old I was attracted to. I had celebrity crushes/teachers/crushes round that age mark when I was 15.
As long as there's full, knowledgeable consent between both sides, I'm fine with stuff like this. Let people fuck who they want to fuck
[QUOTE=Dan2593;46564489]In the 60's 15 year old girls threw themselves at rockstars. One (I think of Led Zep) took one home and locked her in his house where they would just have sex all the time. It's important to remember every 15 year old is different. Some just want sex all over the place. Sex sex sex. I myself certainly wasn't mature enough for it at 15, but I was always quite young for my age. Doesn't mean my classmates weren't doing it. People in my class were doing it with people our age, a few years older. Maybe a year younger. If it's consenstual and safe and not at all malicious on any part, then so be it. I can't say I'd want to have sex with a 15 year old. But if I was a 15 year old I wouldn't have said no to a 22 year old I was attracted to. I had celebrity crushes/teachers/crushes round that age mark when I was 15.[/QUOTE] It's perfectly fine with teens do it with teens, but he was 7 years older and that's all kinds of pushing it. He was also in some position of power. Regardless, the aforementioned punishment he received was definitely sufficient, sending him to jail wouldn't fix or prevent anything.
[QUOTE=Dan2593;46564489]In the 60's 15 year old girls threw themselves at rockstars. One (I think of Led Zep) took one home and locked her in his house where they would just have sex all the time. It's important to remember every 15 year old is different. Some just want sex all over the place. Sex sex sex. I myself certainly wasn't mature enough for it at 15, but I was always quite young for my age. Doesn't mean my classmates weren't doing it. People in my class were doing it with people our age, a few years older. Maybe a year younger. If it's consenstual and safe and not at all malicious on any part, then so be it. I can't say I'd want to have sex with a 15 year old. But if I was a 15 year old I wouldn't have said no to a 22 year old I was attracted to. I had celebrity crushes/teachers/crushes round that age mark when I was 15.[/QUOTE] This archaic age of consent idea does help in some instances, but it seems heavy-handed for just that reason. It's only there to prevent really young kids from being raped, and to prevent early teens from being manipulated into sex. The whole mindset that we need to protect 15-year-olds from anything to do with sex is just stupid in today's society. The judge in this instance had the right idea - throwing the book at this guy would have accomplished nothing. I don't think anyone could say that the US interpretation (consent is meaningless, it is statutory rape regardless of the circumstances and must be punished with long sentences and a lifetime subscription to Sex Offender Monthly) is really in line with society today. This concept of "grooming" is much like the whole stranger danger fad. It's incredibly rare and age of consent laws do nothing to stop it anyway. I can see manipulation here, but like the judge said, this isn't a clear case of grooming in the traditional sense.
If both of them "fully consented", there is [B]nothing[/B] inappropriate about it. Fuck this shit.
welcome to manchester its funny because i live here :(
[QUOTE=DrTaxi;46564602]If both of them "fully consented", there is [B]nothing[/B] inappropriate about it. Fuck this shit.[/QUOTE] I sincerely doubt that 2 15 year old girls can properly consent to a 22 year old in a position of power over them.
[QUOTE=Starlight 456;46564644]I sincerely doubt that 2 15 year old girls can properly consent to a 22 year old in a position of power over them.[/QUOTE] A 15 year old is well capable of saying no.
looks find to me. If it's all consented then there shouldn't be a problem, but the girls and the dude should be fully aware of the consequences with their age gaps if they get caught.
[QUOTE=DrTaxi;46564704]A 15 year old is well capable of saying no.[/QUOTE] So can a 10 year old
[QUOTE=fudge blood;46564719]looks find to me. If it's all consented then there shouldn't be a problem, but the girls and the dude should be fully aware of the consequences with their age gaps if they get caught.[/QUOTE] are you forgetting the fact that a 15 year old can't fuckin consent
iirc, I remember when I once stood in a event to support an 18 yo lesbian because she was dating a 16 yo from a Christian family and the parents tried to put the 18 yo in jail because jesus then 18 yo got off and only got a parole and couldnt message the 16 yo for a while, then she sexted her and now shes in jail source: [URL="http://abcnews.go.com/US/florida-cheerleader-denies-felony-charge-lesbian-relationship/story?id=19225512"]this[/URL] my point is that no matter if its consensual or not people will always assume your an evil pedo
[QUOTE=Snowmew;46564397]If the courts gave jail time to every person who had sex with someone under 16, the world would be a very empty place.[/QUOTE] I would be the king of the free world.
it's literally law. sometimes within two years of fifteen is accepted in court, but 22 and 15 should [I]never[/I] be looked past
y does this have so many winners [QUOTE=Sally;46564733]So can a 10 year old[/QUOTE] what
[QUOTE=Ownederd;46564753]y does this have so many winners[/QUOTE] Closet pedophiles, same guys who would be upset at loli being banned in places.
[QUOTE=Ownederd;46564753]y does this have so many winners[/QUOTE] Maybe because if genders were reversed the 22 year old woman would get nothing but a slap.
[QUOTE=DrTaxi;46564602]If both of them "fully consented", there is [B]nothing[/B] inappropriate about it. Fuck this shit.[/QUOTE] The concern is that you can verbally consent under duress or undue influence, but it does not mean that you personally still consent. In the law's eyes, it is impossible to give consent in such a situation, and it is still inappropriate due to the fact that the victim is in an altered or suppressed state of mind. In an extreme sense, you could consent while being brainwashed or drugged, but it still doesn't mean anything because it's not the "true" you making that statement. Sort of the same argument here.
[QUOTE=Ownederd;46564753]y does this have so many winners[/QUOTE] He won against overwhelming odds. Technically, that makes him a winner.
[QUOTE=Demache;46564780]He won against overwhelming odds. Technically, that makes him a winner.[/QUOTE] i'm still getting massively negative closet pedo galore vibes here tho
-snip didn't read right + deceived by daily mail headline-
[QUOTE=.Lain;46564736]are you forgetting the fact that a 15 year old can't fuckin consent[/QUOTE] I'm always on the fence about this, because when I was 15, I was mature and fully capable to consent or not while understanding the consequences. I think a lot of people forget 15 year olds don't have the mental capacity of 10 year olds. :v: Then again we all mature differently.
[QUOTE=Doom64hunter;46564792]shitty judge Minors can't give consent.[/QUOTE] :badreading: The judge gave him a sentence appropriate for UK's law regarding sex with a minor aged 15. He made the correct decision here. How does that make him shitty?
[QUOTE=DrTaxi;46564704]A 15 year old is well capable of saying no.[/QUOTE] A 15 year old is also well capable of being coerced into saying yes. More so then someone older, and more readily by someone 8 years their senior who has power over them.
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