• AP Via FOX: 26 States Join Suit Against Obama Health Law
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[B]Associated Press Via Fox News 26 States Join Suit Against Obama Health Law[/B] [release]Six more states joined a lawsuit in Florida against President Obama's health care overhaul on Tuesday, meaning more than half of the country is challenging the law. The announcement was made as House members in Washington, led by Republicans, debated whether to repeal the law. The six additional states, all with Republican attorneys general, joined Florida and 19 others in the legal action, Florida Attorney General Pam Bondi said. "It sends a strong message that more than half of the states consider the health care law unconstitutional and are willing to fight it in court," she said in a statement. The states claim the health care law is unconstitutional and violates people's rights by forcing them to buy health insurance by 2014 or face penalties. Government attorneys have said the states do not have standing to challenge the law and want the case dismissed. Lawsuits have been filed elsewhere. A federal judge in Virginia ruled in December that the insurance-purchase mandate was unconstitutional, though two other federal judges have upheld the requirement. It's expected the Supreme Court will ultimately have to resolve the issue. "It is important to note that two of the three courts that have reviewed this law on the merits have found it constitutional, and those decisions --as well as two others the government prevailed on -- are pending in courts of appeal. At the same time, trial courts in additional cases have dismissed numerous challenges on jurisdictional and other grounds that have not been appealed," Justice Department spokeswoman Tracy Schmaler said. Meanwhile, the White House dismissed an expected vote on repealing the law, saying the Republicans' push was not a serious legislative effort. Democrats have a majority in the Senate and they have said they will block repeal in that chamber. In the Florida case, the states also argue the federal government is violating the Constitution by forcing a mandate on the states without providing money to pay for it. They say the new law gives the state's the impossible choice of accepting the new costs or forfeiting federal Medicaid funding. Florida U.S. District Judge Roger Vinson could rule later this month whether he will grant a summary judgment in favor of the states or the Obama administration without a trial. Florida's former Republican Attorney General Bill McCollum filed the lawsuit just minutes after President Obama signed the 10-year, $938 billion health care bill into law in March. He chose a court in Pensacola, one of Florida's most conservative cities. The nation's most influential small business lobby, the National Federation of Independent Business, also joined the suit. Joining the coalition in the Florida case were: Iowa, Kansas, Maine, Ohio, Wisconsin and Wyoming. The other states that are suing are Alabama, Alaska, Arizona, Colorado, Georgia, Indiana, Idaho, Louisiana, Michigan, Mississippi, Nebraska, Nevada, North Dakota, Pennsylvania, South Carolina, South Dakota, Texas, Utah and Washington.[/release] Source: [url]http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2011/01/18/states-join-obama-health-care-lawsuit-fla/#ixzz1BXe1Zo8W[/url] Well, it's now officially over half the United States suing against Obamacare/ Obama's Health care Reform/ the Job Killing Health law/ the Health Care Reforem Law 27 States are suing over. (Virginia Filed separately)
Guess we should add a public option then.
So glad my state isn't one of those. And I live in the South!
[QUOTE=Glaber;27535404] Well, it's now officially over half the United States suing against Obamacare/ Obama's Health care Reform/ the Job Killing Health law.[/QUOTE] Did you even read what you typed before you posted it? Did you not learn from your last three dozen news threads that people don't appreciate nor agree with your clearly biased tone? It's really not going to win you any support if you say things like that. It's called the Health Care Reform Bill. Not Obamacare, not Obama's Socialist Medicine Scheme, none of those cute little names people call it. Try harder.
I live in Florida. :saddowns:
[QUOTE=DanRatherman;27535476]Did you even read what you typed before you posted it? Did you not learn from your last three dozen news threads that people don't appreciate nor agree with your clearly biased tone? It's really not going to win you any support if you say things like that. It's called the Health Care Reform Bill. Not Obamacare, not Obama's Socialist Medicine Scheme, none of those cute little names people call it. Try harder.[/QUOTE] It's actually called the Adolf Stalin Communazi Death Care Act.
[QUOTE=Glaber;27535404] Well, it's now officially over half the United States suing against Obamacare/ Obama's Health care Reform/ the Job Killing Health law.[/QUOTE] 1) use [quote] tags instead of release so I can quot your post without getting rid of all that shit. 2) This doesn't mean that half the USA is against it, it means half the governments comprising the USA are against it. Some of those states are hardly populated compared to the states that are for it(nebraska and the dakotas have hardly any population compared to maryland, new york, and the east coast in general). 3) Good, this bill needs to get scrapped ASAP.
[QUOTE=Glaber;27535404]Well, it's now officially over half the United States suing against Obamacare/[/QUOTE] I might look at your opinion critically if you stop calling it Obamacare. edit or if you didnt rate any opposition dumb
So if they make a public option the Republicans will shut up? Let's do it.
[QUOTE=Habsburg;27535459]Guess we should add a public option then.[/QUOTE] I'm completely fine with a public option.
Obamacare sucks.
[QUOTE=FHamster;27537208]Obamacare sucks.[/QUOTE] I like to think of it at republicare since the republicans are the big reason it got so fucked up.
[QUOTE=yawmwen;27535573] 3) Good, this bill needs to get scrapped ASAP.[/QUOTE] It needs to stay unless you guys come up with a better one.
[QUOTE=Zeke129;27537236]It needs to stay unless you guys come up with a better one.[/QUOTE] I say we scrap this whole free market thing and circling around the issue and just go straight to socialism. What do you say Zeke?
[QUOTE=Zeke129;27537236]It needs to stay unless you guys come up with a better one.[/QUOTE] The alternative(no healthcare) is better than this. This does almost nothing while spending money. We need to scrap this bill and get a new one with a public option.
[QUOTE=yawmwen;27537252]The alternative(no healthcare) is better than this. This does almost nothing while spending money. We need to scrap this bill and get a new one with a public option.[/QUOTE] I agree with the latter half of your post, but no healthcare will go back to letting insurance companies deny people for preexisting conditions and whatnot. It's these small details that mean the bill need to stay [editline]20th January 2011[/editline] [QUOTE=sloppy_joes;27537246]I say we scrap this whole free market thing and circling around the issue and just go straight to socialism. What do you say Zeke?[/QUOTE] You guys should be a dictatorship with me in charge
[QUOTE=sloppy_joes;27537246]I say we scrap this whole free market thing and circling around the issue and just go straight to socialism. What do you say Zeke?[/QUOTE] I say go straight to communism. Just imagine what the worlds reaction would be.
florida :frog:
[QUOTE=Zeke129;27537236]It needs to stay unless you guys come up with a better one.[/QUOTE] The only part that needs to go no matter what is the mandate. I don't know if it's possible to repeal just that part. The rest of it seems alright to me. Since I'm a healthy 20 year old male, I'd rather go a few years without insurance because I'm doubtful that I'm going to need it. Even if I do, I could just pick up some insurance as needed since pre-existing conditions are gone now. I'm down with gaming the system. :v: A public option or even single payer system sounds good too. The only problem is that we'd have the highest taxes ever because we'd be paying for healthcare and an unnecessarily large military as well that other countries don't pay for. I'm probably moving to Canada anyway so fuck it. [editline]20th January 2011[/editline] Seriously, taxes in the US aren't even that much lower than other countries and we don't get all the free shit. If we start doing all that free stuff we'd have some huge ass tax rates because god forbid we cut our military just a little bit.
Can we have a monarchy in America?
[QUOTE=CabooseRvB;27537502]Can we have a monarchy in America?[/QUOTE] Monarchys suck.
[QUOTE=CabooseRvB;27537502]Can we have a monarchy in America?[/QUOTE] You had a Bush monarchy, it was just split up
[QUOTE=FHamster;27537208]Obamacare sucks.[/QUOTE] do you even know what the bill does? here, read this: [url]http://www.mrdestructo.com/2010/04/reporting-controversy-why-health.html[/url] it explains, in clear terms, what the bill does. It does not do what you think it does
[QUOTE=Sigma-Lambda;27537741]do you even know what the bill does?[/QUOTE] It sucks the cock.
[QUOTE=yawmwen;27537752]It sucks the cock.[/QUOTE] Excuse me, but if you actually read the bill (UNLIKE CONGRESS), you'll see it just contains the words "death panels" written over and over in gradually degrading handwriting
[QUOTE=Sigma-Lambda;27537780]Excuse me, but if you actually read the bill (UNLIKE CONGRESS), you'll see it just contains the words "death panels" written over and over in gradually degrading handwriting[/QUOTE] i think someone wrote something about killing old people too but im still only halfway through reading the bill
[QUOTE=FHamster;27537208]Obamacare sucks.[/QUOTE] yay another quality and constructive fhamster post at least it's more than "you europeans are just jealous because you're socialist"
[QUOTE=Prismatex;27537962]yay another quality and constructive fhamster post at least it's more than "you europeans are just jealous because you're socialist"[/QUOTE] well you guys are, u guys wish u had our healthcare wether u admit it or not
[QUOTE=PvtCupcakes;27537381]Since I'm a healthy 20 year old male, I'd rather go a few years without insurance because I'm doubtful that I'm going to need it. Even if I do, I could just pick up some insurance as needed since pre-existing conditions are gone now. I'm down with gaming the system. :v: [/QUOTE] Not saying anything's wrong with your thinking, but this is exactly why we need a mandate. Healthy 20-year-olds (the lowest risks) aren't buying health insurance, while older people who are a higher risk for the insurance companies do buy health insurance. If everyone bought health insurance, risk would be spread out far more evenly, and health care costs would go down.
[QUOTE=Prismatex;27537987]Not saying anything's wrong with your thinking, but this is exactly why we need a mandate. Healthy 20-year-olds (the lowest risks) aren't buying health insurance, while older people who are a higher risk for the insurance companies do buy health insurance. If everyone bought health insurance, risk would be spread out far more evenly, and health care costs would go down.[/QUOTE] But in trying to solve that problem by forcing people to buy something they may not even want, regardless of need and was optional, you run into the barrier of the US Constitution. Not even the commerce clause can help as not participating in commerce can NOT be regulated. That and using it to justify the mandate is just wrong and you'd have a misunderstanding of what commerce is. Constitution part: [quote][B]Section 8 - Powers of Congress[/B] The Congress shall have Power To lay and collect Taxes, Duties, Imposts and Excises, to pay the Debts and provide for the common Defence and general Welfare of the United States; but all Duties, Imposts and Excises shall be uniform throughout the United States; To borrow money on the credit of the United States; [B][I]To regulate [U]Commerce [/U]with foreign Nations, and among the several States, and with the Indian Tribes;[/I][/B][/quote] [url]http://www.usconstitution.net/const.html#A1Sec8[/url] To help back up my argument, I also looked up what commerce is. [quote=wisegeek.com]Commerce is the exchange of items of value between persons or companies. Any exchange of money for a product, service, or information is considered a deal of commerce. [/quote] [url]http://www.wisegeek.com/what-is-commerce.htm[/url] So by this definition, not buying insurance is not commerce and therefore, can't be regulated.
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