• DEVELOPING: ABCC bill BLOCKED - Australians might be going to the polls on July 2nd! - watch this sp
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[QUOTE][B]Australia appears to be on a path for a July 2 double dissolution election, as the Senate again rejected the Government's bill to re-establish the construction watchdog.[/B] The Government lost the vote 36-34. MPs and senators were recalled to Canberra three weeks early for an extraordinary sitting of Parliament to debate two pieces of industrial relations legislation. The first of those bills, which seeks to bring back the Australian Building and Construction Commission, was reintroduced this morning. It had already been voted down by the Senate once before and on Monday afternoon it was blocked again. Last month, when announcing he had asked Governor-General Sir Peter Cosgrove to prorogue Parliament for the extraordinary sitting, Prime Minister Malcolm Turnbull said Australia would head to a double dissolution election on July 2 if the bill was blocked. The second part of the Government's suite of industrial relations legislation, the Registered Organisations bill, has already been blocked twice.[/QUOTE] [URL]http://www.abc.net.au/news/2016-04-18/turnbull-government-handed-double-dissolution-trigger/7335968[/URL] Upper House of Parliament Live: [url]http://www.aph.gov.au/news_and_events/watch_parliament[/url]
Did any senators back-track on their previous opinions to save their skins?
Xenophon* changed to an Aye. [URL="http://www.sbs.com.au/news/article/2016/04/18/senate-votes-down-abcc-bill"]Lazarus stayed with Lambie, the Greens, and the ALP.[/URL]
So the issue of writs for a double-dissolution most likely won't be requested until the budget is released & the oppositions response, at earliest May 5th. As someone already mentioned in the aus thread, it seems this was orchestrated from the very beginning of turnbull's backstab. The thing to note is, this was when Turnbull was held in high regard in the public eye but the honeymoon period ended a long time ago and it could be closer than ever. I seem to think that it could be even easier for Labor should the RSRT bill fail to pass the senate (which is probably likely, knowing as most of the senate crossbenchers come from parts of society that relied on such tribunals to ensure their survival.) Interested to see if Windsor will rip away the support that Joyce has in the New England electorate as well, especially it being the seat he retired from in 2013. edit: So Xenophon changed to an aye after the vote or just before? Does the vote count change or is it still 36 nay to 34 aye?
[QUOTE=Bradyns;50153700]Xenophon* changed to an Aye. [URL="http://www.sbs.com.au/news/article/2016/04/18/senate-votes-down-abcc-bill"]Lazarus stayed with Lambie, the Greens, and the ALP.[/URL][/QUOTE] Populist twat. Can't stand that man. That said, I think the same about nearly everyone in Parliament and the Senate.
I think the government are bluffing, July the 3rd is kind of fucked since everyone is on holiday, I'd be thinking they'd DD after the budget and aim for a traditional September election
[QUOTE=Eonart;50154169]its now a possibility that we might have a 6th prime minister within the last 6 years australian politics is so fucked[/QUOTE] it's almost as if the prime minister doesn't matter much from a political standpoint
Your politics are so fucked. It reminds me of middle eastern governments where the elections are always rigged to shit, end up with a coalition government and a few months later they collapse and you start all over again. Get Kevin Rudd back in again, just for shits and giggles.
[QUOTE=Goberfish;50158372]it's almost as if the prime minister doesn't matter much from a political standpoint[/QUOTE] even then the unglorified dumping of PM's based on poll numbers and party politics is hardly indicative of healthy governance.
Kevin Rudd is the only politician that doesn’t seem like a shit cunt to me apart from Bernie Sanders.
i am so confused as to what is going on here can someone give me the nutshell version
[QUOTE=pentium;50158401]Your politics are so fucked. It reminds me of middle eastern governments where the elections are always rigged to shit, end up with a coalition government and a few months later they collapse and you start all over again. Get Kevin Rudd back in again, just for shits and giggles.[/QUOTE] The main problem with our politics is that a lot of it's controlled by Rupert Murdoch and co via media empires, mainly newspapers. Things are a bit different this time because this Liberal government was elected on the basis of being more stable then the last Labor government (along with a good helping of STOP DA BOATS), which went through 3 prime ministers (Rudd, Gillard and Rudd again). But now they've done goofed up and done the same thing by replacing the very unpopular Tony Abbot with the "hey maybe this guy could be alright but nah not really he isn't" Malcolm Turnbull. In short I see them losing a lot of votes at the very least. Labor has a good chance of coming back in power but I can also see people leaning towards greens and other parties more this election as they become sick of this two party shit show. [editline]19th April 2016[/editline] Also as newspapers are dying off I like to think that Murdoch is going to have less control in this election.
[QUOTE=theevilldeadII;50158423]i am so confused as to what is going on here can someone give me the nutshell version[/QUOTE] Since 2013, the government does not have the majority in the senate - therefore the crossbench (18 seats) has basically the balance of power basically they have been shooting down any government backed bills that they don't agree with and are normally whipped by the greens and labor to do so causing the government to negotiate with a bunch of people who align differently ABCC is a building watchdog scrapped by Labor in 2012 and was promised to be put back by Abbott in 2013, it's seen as a way to rid the unions of corruption (tho the royal commission found absolutely nothing) It's been shot down a few times in the senate so Malcolm put it back through the house again this time saying if they didn't pass it, he'd call a DD (which means everyone loses their seat -> election called) to whip the crossbench into passing it vote failed, senators are pissed, Malcolm is following through with his promise after the May budget
shit well i feel sorry for you're aussies then i know abbott was a tool but i didn't realize how bad it was there
At least they aren't like labour.
[QUOTE=pentium;50158401]Your politics are so fucked. It reminds me of middle eastern governments where the elections are always rigged to shit, end up with a coalition government and a few months later they collapse and you start all over again.[/QUOTE] As a side-effect, finance laws are waving around like crazy. My uncle's job is to make sure financial employees are up to date with law-change-of-the-month. It's pretty bad that there are now people whose only job is to stop companies collapsing from political instability.
[QUOTE=helifreak;50158405]Kevin Rudd is the only politician that doesn’t seem like a shit cunt to me apart from Bernie Sanders.[/QUOTE] ask the flight attendants and they'll say otherwise
[QUOTE=helifreak;50158405]Kevin Rudd is the only politician that doesn’t seem like a shit cunt to me apart from Bernie Sanders.[/QUOTE] the best PM we ever had was Keating, closely following Whitlam and then I'd say either Hawke or Fraser
Clive Palmer out when?
[QUOTE=Scratch.;50158945]Clive Palmer out when?[/QUOTE] Soon I'm more excited about the half of the Senate crossbench who will be voted out. Thanks to the electoral laws passed by the Libs and Greens, we'll finally have a democratically-elected and accountable Senate for the first time in decades. Bye bye Lazarus, bye bye Muir, bye bye Leyonhjelm, bye bye Lambie.
[QUOTE=sb27;50159071]Soon I'm more excited about the half of the Senate crossbench who will be voted out. Thanks to the electoral laws passed by the Libs and Greens, we'll finally have a democratically-elected and accountable Senate for the first time in decades. Bye bye Lazarus, bye bye Muir, bye bye Leyonhjelm, bye bye Lambie.[/QUOTE] IT Lecturer told me today in this case the whole senate is affected instead of half
[QUOTE=Scratch.;50159082]IT Lecturer told me today in this case the whole senate is affected instead of half[/QUOTE] Yep. How exciting.
[QUOTE=Scratch.;50159082]IT Lecturer told me today in this case the whole senate is affected instead of half[/QUOTE] It also halves the percentage needed to get a seat.
ffs ill be overseas.
[QUOTE=sb27;50159071]Soon I'm more excited about the half of the Senate crossbench who will be voted out. Thanks to the electoral laws passed by the Libs and Greens, we'll finally have a democratically-elected and accountable Senate for the first time in decades. Bye bye Lazarus, bye bye Muir, bye bye Leyonhjelm, bye bye Lambie.[/QUOTE] I'm actually disappointed. I've been impressed by Muir and Lazarus to be honest. That said, a double dissolution election makes it easier for microparties to be elected, and despite the changes in Senate voting tickets, I would probably expect some to be elected still. [editline]19th April 2016[/editline] [QUOTE=reevezy67;50159206]ffs ill be overseas.[/QUOTE] You know you can vote while overseas, right?
[QUOTE=reevezy67;50159206]ffs ill be overseas.[/QUOTE] postal vote, prepolling booths no excuses matey
Yeah just a pain in the ass.
[QUOTE=DogGunn;50159797]I'm actually disappointed. I've been impressed by Muir and Lazarus to be honest. That said, a double dissolution election makes it easier for microparties to be elected, and despite the changes in Senate voting tickets, I would probably expect some to be elected still. [editline]19th April 2016[/editline] You know you can vote while overseas, right?[/QUOTE] No doubt about it, they are great people. Ricky Muir is probably one of the most honest politicians we've ever had. But that doesn't excuse the fact that he was elected from a record low 0.5% primary vote thanks to awful backroom deals. And thanks to the Liberals and the Greens, that subversion of democracy can't ever happen again. Because it is a double dissolution it will mean that the electoral quota will be cut in half, to somewhere around 7.7%, but the changes in how to vote will offset any extra likelihood of the micro parties being elected. The NSW Legislative Council is elected by the same method that the Senate is now elected by; but despite the LC having an electoral quota of only 4.5%, micro parties absolutely struggle to be elected there. It's a much more-democratic composition.
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