'Some of the biggest barriers to progress are white women' says GitHub's diversity guru - Polidicks

[URL="http://www.businessinsider.com/diversity-guru-discusses-white-women-2016-2"]http://www.businessinsider.com/diversity-guru-discusses-white-women-2016-2 [/URL] [IMG]http://i.imgur.com/KwvfPh2.png[/IMG] [quote]There's no question that the tech industry needs to do more to attract people of color. But when does an admirable emphasis on diversity cross the line into something that makes us cringe? Someone sent us a picture of a presentation by [URL="https://www.linkedin.com/in/nmsanchez"]Nicole Sanchez[/URL], vice president of social impact at GitHub, that may fit in the latter category. She's an expert on diversity hiring who has been pointing out that diversity hiring doesn't begin and end with hiring white women. [/quote] [quote]We reached out to GitHub about this presentation and the company declined to comment. A person familiar with the matter told us this talk was not done by Sanchez at GitHub, but was part of a seminar geared specifically for people of color. We were told that it was based on research published in the Racism Review as part of its [URL="http://www.racismreview.com/blog/2014/01/28/trouble-white-women-white-feminism/"]"Trouble with White Women"[/URL] series in 2014. [/quote]

Why have the "DIVERSITY!!!1!!1!" morons decided to target tech companies now? Seriously, it kind of hurts my brain how astoundingly stupid these people are. If I had all the money in the world I'd start a business and hire exclusively white Christian men aged 35 or older who own land, are married, and vote Republican, just to see the reaction.

[QUOTE]"We need solidarity with our Asian friends and colleagues."[/QUOTE] Asians are not represented in tech. :smile:

[QUOTE=Shovel Mech;49702682]Why have the "DIVERSITY!!!1!!1!" morons decided to target tech companies now?[/QUOTE] It's where the money is. Frankly, to an extent, I agree. A 19% female graduating class for Computer Science is just too skewed, but I don't think that forcing diversity at companies is the solution. I don't think that people going into CS are worried about finding jobs, I think it has more to do with the CS environment before and during college.

[QUOTE=Rangergxi;49702688]Asians are not represented in tech. :smile:[/QUOTE] I always found it confusing why these imbeciles don't go after Asians. Asians tend to, on average, be better educated and make more money than any other racial group. But modern-day social justice isn't so much about justice as it is about con artistry and self-loathing. Everything is the fault of straight, white males. No exceptions.

[QUOTE=joshjet;49702714]It's where the money is. Frankly, to an extent, I agree. A 19% female graduating class for Computer Science is just too skewed, but I don't think that forcing diversity at companies is the solution. I don't think that people going into CS are worried about finding jobs, I think it has more to do with the CS environment before and during college.[/QUOTE] Perhaps its because women aren't interested? I really doubt theres a "fuck women" mentality in tech. If anything its the opposite [url]http://www.pnas.org/content/112/17/5360.abstract%20[/url] [url]http://www.pbs.org/newshour/making-sense/truth-women-stem-careers/[/url]

Anyone got those articles about how STEM loves women but women don't seem to love STEM? Maybe they should stop negatively targeting the comapnies and start positively targeting female youth, where it will actually make a difference

Replace the first line with anything other than white women. "This is not work for jewish folks to lead" "This is not work for black folks to lead" "This is not work for asian folks to lead" "This is not work for ______ folks to lead" Jesus christ how fucking shittingly dumb do you have to be to make yourself so progressive that you're a just thinly-veiled racist?

The more people these types decide to alienate, the better.

[QUOTE=Keyblockor1;49702955]Replace the first line with anything other than white women. "This is not work for jewish folks to lead" "This is not work for black folks to lead" "This is not work for asian folks to lead" "This is not work for ______ folks to lead" Jesus christ how fucking shittingly dumb do you have to be to make yourself so progressive that you're a just thinly-veiled racist?[/QUOTE] "But racism is privilege plus power"

I do not understand and will never understand how people think like this.

[QUOTE=Shovel Mech;49702682]Why have the "DIVERSITY!!!1!!1!" morons decided to target tech companies now?[/QUOTE] because people decided to listen to them for some stupid reason i guess it means i will never have a problem finding a tech job, being a trans woman and all. gotta have diversity quotassss

I seriously don't get what they hope to achieve by forcing companies to have a certain % of women in them. If women aren't interested in the field, then the companies are going to be forced to hire female workers that are worse on average, which will lead to them getting paid less (which perpetuates the wage gap), and workplace sexism (because on average, the women on the team will do worse work because less women are interested in the jobs then men). Just target female youth. If it doesn't work, then guess what? Women don't want the job. If it does work, then yay! equality. Also, pro tip: making math pink does not count as pandering to women [editline]9th February 2016[/editline] [QUOTE=Amiga OS;49703015]I stopped using GitHub ages ago, not only do they have a stagnant product but they have biggots operating under management approval. Let their identity politics bury the place. Use BitBucket or GitLab.[/QUOTE] This, bitbucket is vastly superior

[QUOTE=Thlis;49702983]"But racism is privilege plus power"[/QUOTE] Kinda implies that non-whites have no power and can't have power.

the thing about "just use bitbucket" is that it would be vastly inconvenient for some people (me included) to simply move all their repos over to some other service. the ethics over at github is debatable, but their service works, and i'm not paying anything, so this is not nearly a good reason for me to go through the trouble of switching. (also, bitbucket doesn't have an equivalent to pages afaik)

At my last testing for a job in a software company there were around 25 guys and 5 girls, the ratio which was basically the same at the IT college I went, and which seems to be also represented in the company's workforce according to their published stats. Why do they publish this statistic I will never know, but it makes sense that your workforce represents the population that is interested in that field. If you want a change you should not don't force it at the end of the road.

[QUOTE=DELL;49703001]I do not understand and will never understand how people think like this.[/QUOTE] They want equality of outcome, not equality of opportunity.

[QUOTE=DELL;49703001]I do not understand and will never understand how people think like this.[/QUOTE] If you get paid to go around making speeches about this stuff you eventually end up a little off

[QUOTE=Wii60;49703011]because people decided to listen to them for some stupid reason i guess it means i will never have a problem finding a tech job, being a trans woman and all. gotta have diversity quotassss[/QUOTE] jokes that we're the only women in tech anyway aside,

[quote]"We need solidarity with our Asian friends and colleagues."[/quote] Oh, so NOW you want my help and NOW I count as a minority? lol get lost pok gai

[QUOTE=AntonioR;49703291]At my last testing for a job in a software company there were around 25 guys and 5 girls, the ratio which was basically the same at the IT college I went, and which seems to be also represented in the company's workforce according to their published stats. Why do they publish this statistic I will never know, but it makes sense that your workforce represents the population that is interested in that field. If you want a change you should not don't force it at the end of the road.[/QUOTE] It really does baffle me. Like, the statistics are all there, out in the open. How are these people so lacking in awareness? Oh, right, probably because they're paid to do so. Everyone's gotta have some sort of "diversity officer" on their staff now or else they don't look good as a company. You can't really get paid to blame the lack of diversity on the company you work for if you also accept the fact that the lack of diversity is due to the actual lack of diversity in the population of potential hires. What really doesn't help is that these people also like to fear-monger about how much hardship women will face in tech, probably discouraging many of the already few women trying to enter the industry. They've created this terrible system that deters women from entering the industry and places the blame on the people running these companies. And now we have one of these people saying that hiring white women isn't good enough. We need to go much deeper down the minority hole, my friend, before you will ever redeem your despicably white workplace.

Best part about these things imo is that it only applies to good jobs. It pretty much just displays the amount of self-interest rather than the principle which ironically is what white feminists are accused of. We don't need more female coal miners, right? garbage collectors, deep sea fishermen, etc.. Say what you want about female dominated fields, but they at least tend to be relatively safe (exceptions exist ofc, such as social workers).

[QUOTE=Keyblockor1;49702955]Replace the first line with anything other than white women. "This is not work for jewish folks to lead" "This is not work for black folks to lead" "This is not work for asian folks to lead" "This is not work for ______ folks to lead" Jesus christ how fucking shittingly dumb do you have to be to make yourself so progressive that you're a just thinly-veiled racist?[/QUOTE] And then they deny they're being racist because "you have to be oppressed for someone to be racist towards you". I literally was just talking to one of those types of people that believe that shit.

[QUOTE=Snickerdoodle;49704082]And then they deny they're being racist because "you have to be oppressed for someone to be racist towards you". I literally was just talking to one of those types of people that believe that shit.[/QUOTE] I've never been able to crack those people and understand why they think this way. It seems like such a logical rule to them, somehow. I always ask, then, if it's okay to discriminate against another group of people just because you're in the minority. It's either a "of course not, but it's still not racism" or a shocking "well yes, I think centuries of oppression has earned you the right in that case". I've seen far too many people respond with the latter, and I just don't get it.

[QUOTE=thelurker1234;49703968]Best part about these things imo is that it only applies to good jobs. It pretty much just displays the amount of self-interest rather than the principle which ironically is what white feminists are accused of. We don't need more female coal miners, right? garbage collectors, deep sea fishermen, etc.. Say what you want about female dominated fields, but they at least tend to be relatively safe (exceptions exist ofc, such as social workers).[/QUOTE] Women used to be banned from working in coal mines, but feminists campaigned against that and changed that. Proves at least they're not a hivemind and you're more likely to hear about outrageous things like these.

[QUOTE=Talishmar;49704234]Women used to be banned from working in coal mines, but feminists campaigned against that and changed that. Proves at least they're not a hivemind and you're more likely to hear about outrageous things like these.[/QUOTE] That's the old-school kind, which wanted equal opportunity instead of accusing current generations of all the actual oppression that happened through the ages. Many of those hates the current gen feminists because those focus on their own betterment or own ego instead of humanity as a whole. But the old wave are outnumbered and not as loud, as they know spewing loud shit harms you & your cause in the long run.

[QUOTE=Talishmar;49704234]Women used to be banned from working in coal mines, but feminists campaigned against that and changed that. Proves at least they're not a hivemind and you're more likely to hear about outrageous things like these.[/QUOTE] Feminism has changed. [editline]9th February 2016[/editline] You'd think that these people with their gender studies degrees would have found ways to make STEM more engaging for female children beyond "wohoo wow [I]CODE[/I] amirite"

And what does Nicole Sanchez, a proud feminist do when in a tech company? Well, nothing related to tech of course - instead her job title is one of the most pointless I've ever heard of; "diversity guru" If she really wants 'oppressed' peoples in the tech industry, she ought to lead by example, but she is not. Asking for solidarity with Asian colleagues is amusing, since they're over represented in tech.

Could it be possible that we don't know the full story? After all she also said [quote]"More white women does not equal tech diversity."[/quote] Which is quite true. [editline]9th February 2016[/editline] I mean before we all get riled up [quote]A person familiar with the matter told us this talk was not done by Sanchez at GitHub, but was part of a seminar geared specifically for people of color. In particular, one article delves into data that suggests that white women have "disproportionately" benefited from affirmative-action policies. It then suggests that instead of being advocates for affirmative action, white women "have been at the forefront of lawsuits brought to challenge affirmative action.[/quote]

How about we just don't give a crap at all about a person's ethnicity, gender, etc. and care more about the important parts, like their experience and behavior? ...As if things will change. That's just my opinion. :frown: