Bernie Sanders Calls For Federal Investigation Of Exxon Mobile for Lying about Climate Change
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Source 1: [url]http://thinkprogress.org/climate/2015/10/20/3714390/bernie-sanders-investigate-exxon-climate-denial/[/url]
Source 2: [url]http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/bernie-sanders-exxon-investigation_5626a0cce4b08589ef496854[/url]
[QUOTE]Democratic presidential candidate Sen. Bernie Sanders (I-VT) wants ExxonMobil investigated by the Department of Justice.
In a letter to Attorney General Loretta Lynch on Tuesday, Sanders charged the oil giant of engaging in a cover-up to intentionally mislead the public about the reality of human-caused climate change, and by extension the risks of its carbon-intensive product.
“It appears that Exxon knew its product was causing harm to the public, and spent millions of dollars to obfuscate the facts in the public discourse,” Sanders wrote. “The information that has come to light about Exxon’s past activities raises potentially serious concerns that should be investigated.”
The information Sanders cited was a recent investigation by Inside Climate News, which found that the ExxonMobil conducted research as far back as 1977 affirming that climate change is caused by carbon emissions from fossil fuels. At the same time, the oil giant gave millions of dollars to politicians and organizations that promote climate science denial, and spent millions more lobbying to prevent regulations to limit carbon emissions.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE][video=youtube;3wNEYeIUeQM]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3wNEYeIUeQM[/video][/QUOTE]
They probably did lie about it. It wouldn't be surprising in the slighest.
imagine not voting for someone with the balls to go after something as big as big oil.
There's no dispute in the fact they "lied", there was an article on research done by their own scientists that made models of global warming that sit very well to this day, and since these people were their own employees, they must have known about their research.
Sadly, scientific models can be just dismissed in this world when it comes to legislative as well as justice, so you can't really prosecute somebody for it.
I love how there are people who say most of facepunch rides Bernie Sander's dick but literally show me a better candidate in this election.
Bernie Sanders is completely grass root funded, is the only person talking about and actively taking action against big issues rather than just play politics.
[QUOTE=Llamalord;48957438]I love how there are people who say most of facepunch rides Bernie Sander's dick but literally show me a better candidate in this election.
Bernie Sanders is completely grass root funded, is the only person talking about and actively taking action against big issues rather than just play politics.[/QUOTE]
Exactly this. A good track record all around-- someone who practices what he preaches and has historically lived up to his end of his bargains-- and a politician that actually does his job like he's supposed to.
You'd have to be a gigantic moron not to support this man. It's that fucking simple honestly when he's compared against all the other candidates.
[editline]22nd October 2015[/editline]
[QUOTE=General J;48957389]imagine not voting for someone with the balls to go after something as big as big oil.[/QUOTE]
And this.
Bernie is the first US presidential candidate that's made me wish I was American just so I could vote for him.
Here's hoping that 2017 sees President Sanders visiting PM Trudeau as his first international visit after taking office. (This is customary between the two nations. Dubya notably broke with tradition by a large margin.)
what are the polls saying about him are more people in favor of him or Hillary it's hard to tell
Too bad the majority of the US public now firmly believes climate change is either a hoax, or natural.
Exxon's scientists used to be at the forefront of climate change research, and they were very aware and conscious about the impacts. Then Exxon did a complete 180, fired a bunch of their scientists, and covered it all up. Here's the original article:
[url]http://insideclimatenews.org/news/18092015/exxon-confirmed-global-warming-consensus-in-1982-with-in-house-climate-models[/url]
[quote]In a cover letter to 15 Exxon executives and managers, Glaser said the document provided guidance "on the CO2 'Greenhouse' Effect which is receiving increased attention in both the scientific and popular press as an emerging environmental issue." He continued: "The material has been given wide circulation to Exxon management and is intended to familiarize Exxon personnel with the subject."
"However, it should be restricted to Exxon personnel and not distributed externally," he wrote.
Glaser's primer drew from the best research of the time, including Exxon's, to explain how global temperatures would rise considerably by the end of the 21st century. Because of the warming, "there are some potentially catastrophic events that must be considered," including sea level rise from melting polar ice sheets, according to the document. It noted that some scientific groups were concerned "that once the effects are measurable, they might not be reversible."
Reining in "the greenhouse effect," the primer said, "would require major reductions in fossil fuel combustion."
Yet the report also argued against a rapid shift to non-fossil fuel energy sources, noting that "making significant changes in energy consumption…amid all the scientific uncertainties would be premature in view of the severe impact such moves could have on the world's economies and societies."[/quote]
It's a five part series:
[url]http://insideclimatenews.org/news/15092015/Exxons-own-research-confirmed-fossil-fuels-role-in-global-warming[/url]
[url]http://insideclimatenews.org/news/16092015/exxon-believed-deep-dive-into-climate-research-would-protect-its-business[/url]
[url]http://insideclimatenews.org/news/18092015/exxon-confirmed-global-warming-consensus-in-1982-with-in-house-climate-models[/url] (the one posted above)
[url]http://insideclimatenews.org/news/08102015/Exxons-Business-Ambition-Collided-with-Climate-Change-Under-a-Distant-Sea[/url]
[url]http://insideclimatenews.org/news/08102015/highlighting-allure-synfuels-exxon-played-down-climate-risks[/url]
Here's an internal report about CO2 concerns related to a natural gas project: [url]http://insideclimatenews.org/sites/default/files/documents/CO2%20Sparging%20Report%20%281984%29.pdf[/url]
Ocean acidification mentioned on page 1, greenhouse effect mentioned on page 2.
Give them hell Bernie.
[QUOTE=elixwhitetail;48957459]Bernie is the first US presidential candidate that's made me wish I was American just so I could vote for him.
Here's hoping that 2017 sees President Sanders visiting PM Trudeau as his first international visit after taking office. (This is customary between the two nations. Dubya notably broke with tradition by a large margin.)[/QUOTE]
[url]https://berniesanders.com/issues/racial-justice/[/url]
Wants to demilitarize the police before you demilitarize the people. Be careful who you're supporting friend
[QUOTE=polarbear.;48958513][url]https://berniesanders.com/issues/racial-justice/[/url]
Wants to demilitarize the police before you demilitarize the people. Be careful who you're supporting friend[/QUOTE]
Demilitarize is not the same as disarming. He isnt going to take away their normal guns, just stuff that should be reserved for the military and swat teams
[QUOTE=da space core;48958556]Demilitarize is not the same as disarming. He isnt going to take away their normal guns, just stuff that should be reserved for the military and swat teams[/QUOTE]
And what good do you think comes of that? When was the last time a police officer pulled out a rifle or a grenade launcher and massively fucked up? With all the civil unrest (ex. Baltimore riots) do you really think this is a good idea?
Last I checked, police didn't use anything more than their "normal guns" or less means of force to commit the killings that gained lots of media attention the past year. This is not a step in the right direction.
It says the video is blocked do to copyright. Is there another out there?
[QUOTE=polarbear.;48958513][url]https://berniesanders.com/issues/racial-justice/[/url]
Wants to demilitarize the police before you demilitarize the people. Be careful who you're supporting friend[/QUOTE]
Yes lets make it about guns!
Let's not make this about guns. It's about something [url=http://www.who.int/mediacentre/news/releases/2014/air-pollution/en/]that's far more deadly.[/url]
[QUOTE=Rangergxi;48957313]Source 1: [url]http://thinkprogress.org/climate/2015/10/20/3714390/bernie-sanders-investigate-exxon-climate-denial/[/url]
Source 2: [url]http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/bernie-sanders-exxon-investigation_5626a0cce4b08589ef496854[/url]
They probably did lie about it. It wouldn't be surprising in the slighest.[/QUOTE]
They did lie about it, they even published papers on it before it was well known and their data actually formed the original basis for climate change
Why would they? The federal government already routinely lies about climate change.
Inhoffe being our scientific adviser is the biggest joke ever played on humanity.
[QUOTE=Llamalord;48957438]I love how there are people who say most of facepunch rides Bernie Sander's dick but literally show me a better candidate in this election.
Bernie Sanders is completely grass root funded, is the only person talking about and actively taking action against big issues rather than just play politics.[/QUOTE]
Gary Johnson, but the realist in me tells me he doesn't have any chance in hell.
[editline]22nd October 2015[/editline]
[QUOTE=polarbear.;48958513][url]https://berniesanders.com/issues/racial-justice/[/url]
Wants to demilitarize the police before you demilitarize the people. Be careful who you're supporting friend[/QUOTE]
Let's save that one for another thread.
[QUOTE=Llamalord;48957438]I love how there are people who say most of facepunch rides Bernie Sander's dick but literally show me a better candidate in this election.
Bernie Sanders is completely grass root funded, is the only person talking about and actively taking action against big issues rather than just play politics.[/QUOTE]
I'm really not liking him as of late. He's offering free college and single payer healthcare with no way to pay for it.
[editline]22nd October 2015[/editline]
I'm also against free college in general. More people getting degrees lowers their value. Why do we want an economy that relies on people spending 20 years in education? Why not reform high schools to make them worth something again?
Considering that Earth is going through it's latest mass-extinction event, something that happens only every 50-100 million years, and that it's probably caused by humans, you would think that environmental destruction of this scale would be recognized for what it is
- a catastrophic earth-shattering disaster, akin to an asteroid impacting the planet rather than a point of policy.
Fuck Exxon. The planet is in real danger here.
[QUOTE=polarbear.;48958607]And what good do you think comes of that? When was the last time a police officer pulled out a rifle or a grenade launcher and massively fucked up? With all the civil unrest (ex. Baltimore riots) do you really think this is a good idea?
Last I checked, police didn't use anything more than their "normal guns" or less means of force to commit the killings that gained lots of media attention the past year. This is not a step in the right direction.[/QUOTE]
You should research how US cops are doing things like sending SWAT teams in for liquor license inspections, or executing no-knock warrants with flashbangs being thrown into baby cribs...and they get the address wrong and bust up an innocent family's shit at 4am.
Cops in SWAT gear shot an unarmed man dead in his own front yard for the crime of running an illegal gambling ring - aka friendly $5 poker games with his buddies.
That is what demilitarization of the police forces is about. Nobody's taking away their guns, but they can't be bringing Humvees full of cops in riot gear just to investigate a domestic disturbance.
[QUOTE=polarbear.;48958607]And what good do you think comes of that? When was the last time a police officer pulled out a rifle or a grenade launcher and massively fucked up? With all the civil unrest (ex. Baltimore riots) do you really think this is a good idea?
Last I checked, police didn't use anything more than their "normal guns" or less means of force to commit the killings that gained lots of media attention the past year. This is not a step in the right direction.[/QUOTE]
Do you seriously believe for even an instant that the police aren't responsible for that tension in those communities?
if anything requires investigation its the federal government and its heap of lies
[QUOTE=thrawn2787;48958920]I'm really not liking him as of late. He's offering free college and single payer healthcare with no way to pay for it.
[editline]22nd October 2015[/editline]
I'm also against free college in general. More people getting degrees lowers their value. Why do we want an economy that relies on people spending 20 years in education? Why not reform high schools to make them worth something again?[/QUOTE]
Because we have a service economy not a manufacturing one, you can't train specialisations in highschool
[editline]22nd October 2015[/editline]
Also when the majority of US males qualified for free college we enjoyed the most prosperous time in US history, the GI bill + ww2 accidentally created the single largest push for upward mobility
[QUOTE=Llamalord;48957438]I love how there are people who say most of facepunch rides Bernie Sander's dick but literally show me a better candidate in this election.
Bernie Sanders is completely grass root funded, is the only person talking about and actively taking action against big issues rather than just play politics.[/QUOTE]
Well, a dick with a Consistent firm stance is good for riding id guess.
[QUOTE=thrawn2787;48958920]I'm really not liking him as of late. He's offering free college and single payer healthcare with no way to pay for it.
[editline]22nd October 2015[/editline]
I'm also against free college in general. More people getting degrees lowers their value. Why do we want an economy that relies on people spending 20 years in education? Why not reform high schools to make them worth something again?[/QUOTE]
A small tax on Wall Street speculation will pay for the free college and then some. It's been well covered. His idea of Healthcare will be cheaper than what we have now, and won't serve as a way to hand the American people on a platter to insurance companies
[QUOTE=thrawn2787;48958920]I'm really not liking him as of late. He's offering free college and single payer healthcare with no way to pay for it.
[editline]22nd October 2015[/editline]
I'm also against free college in general. More people getting degrees lowers their value. Why do we want an economy that relies on people spending 20 years in education? Why not reform high schools to make them worth something again?[/QUOTE]
Just about every other industrialized nation is implementing single payer health care paid by taxes, it's not too far a stretch for me to believe Sanders will want it implemented in a similar manner.
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