Bernie Sanders: ‘This is not the time for a protest vote’ - Polidicks

[QUOTE]At the rally itself, Sanders continued making the pitch he's been honing since he returned to the campaign trail: This isn't a year to vote third party. Mentioning Clinton's name sparingly, Sanders told several hundred voters — many still wearing gear from the Democratic primary — that their votes could stop the election of a Republican "who thinks climate change is a hoax." Sanders, who was the most prominent independent in American politics even before his run, is gradually embracing a role as a third-party critic, a spoiler of the spoilers. As Democrats contemplate ways to[URL="http://www.politico.com/story/2016/09/gary-johnson-hillary-clinton-polls-228240"] tamp down a protest vote for Johnson[/URL], or for the Green Party's Jill Stein, Sanders is already arguing that anyone who voted for him would set the movement back by voting against Clinton. In an interview after the rally — the first in a three-state weekend tour for Democratic candidates — [B]Sanders said that Democrats and the media need to focus on Clinton's actual policies more than they have been, in a campaign dominated by back-and-forths about Trump's gaffes. [/B] "This is not the time for a protest vote, in terms of a presidential campaign," Sanders said. "I ran as a third-party candidate. I'm the longest-serving independent in the history of the United States Congress. I know more about third-party politics than anyone else in the Congress, okay? And if people want to run as third-party candidates, God bless them! Run for Congress. Run for governor. Run for state legislature. When we're talking about president of the United States, in my own personal view, this is not time for a protest vote. [B]This is time to elect Hillary Clinton and then work after the election to mobilize millions of people to make sure she can be the most progressive president she can be."[/B] The journey from Clinton primary foe to Clinton surrogate has been awkward for Sanders. At high-profile moments during the Democratic National Convention, including an address to his delegates, he mentioned his endorsement near the top of his remarks and was blown back by jeers and boos. Since then,[B] Sanders has tucked his endorsement later in his speeches, after rundowns of exactly what concessions his campaign got from the Democratic Party, and what a Trump presidency would undo.[/B] [/QUOTE] [QUOTE]Eli Campbell, 21, arrived at the rally with a photoshopped portrait of Trump and Clinton wearing crowns in front of the White House. (The original photo was taken at Trump's wedding to his third and current wife, Melania, which Clinton attended.) "People like me have been told that it doesn't matter if we want a world that works," said Campbell, as other voters, many from the nearby university, snapped photos. "We have to wait for it." Campbell said he was leaning toward supporting Stein, but he, too, had seen polling that suggested Trump might win the presidency. If it seemed that his vote would be decisive, Campbell admitted that he could vote for Clinton. "Bernie pushed her a lot further left than she wanted to go," said Campbell. "I mean, if it's close, I think I'll vote for the lesser evil." [/QUOTE] [URL]https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/post-politics/wp/2016/09/16/bernie-sanders-this-is-not-the-time-for-a-protest-vote/[/URL] Some interviews he did this morning on CNN and MSNBC [video=youtube;HOR2Xb5WbsQ]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HOR2Xb5WbsQ[/video] [video=youtube;CLelF_lYWRo]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CLelF_lYWRo[/video] I wouldn't blame the cynical for seeing this as an attempt by Sanders to shift the polls back to a stronger Clinton lead, but that doesn't make his statements any less true.

Well some Britons voted Brexit as a protest, and look where that got them: exactly what they fuckin' voted for.

At this point considering Trump saying he wants to get rid of food safety regulations and other shit. We seriously need Hillary. I hate her as much as the next guy, but the US will plunge into decades of pro-corporate idiocy if Trump is elected. Hillary would do the same, but it wouldnt be a bad in comparison to Trump.

Switching on his position that he wouldn't tell people who to vote for, huh. Good thing I'm registered independent. If you're registered Democrat then sure, you have an obligation to vote for Clinton.

[QUOTE=Mr. Someguy;51062322]Well some Britons voted Brexit as a protest, and look where that got them: exactly what they fuckin' voted for.[/QUOTE] does that mean if we vote for nobody, then nobody will be elected? this is a great idea

[QUOTE=Deathtrooper2;51062323]At this point considering Trump saying he wants to get rid of food safety regulations and other shit.[/QUOTE] I was hung up on the part where his tax plan would drive us hundreds of billions more into debt, which he said we should default on because the Great Depression was a jolly good time for us. Oh, and don't forget starting Trade Wars with everyone, it's a race to the bottom!

[QUOTE=TheFilmSlacker;51062331]Why couldn't Sanders be her VP? I mean, I would have much rather had him just, y'know, [I]win the nomination[/I], but man, I just love this guy so much. You can see the pain in his eyes here. The man is scared to death. I fucking hate Hillary, but I would vote for her a million times before I'd ever vote for Trump. And it would hurt just as much every time.[/QUOTE] Because Hillary doesn't want someone with Bernie's values making noises in the background during her presidency. She's actually that opposed to him. Otherwise, I agree, it's a very dumb political decision not to have either Sanders or Warren as her VP pick. I think the last poll I saw on the issue said that 52% of Sanders voters aren't going to vote for Clinton. Even if that's an over-exaggeration, (it most certainly is) it's still far higher than any other polls we've seen in the past (Clinton voters in the '08 election, for example). [editline]16th September 2016[/editline] We can expect her to flip on her pledge for education reform and she's all but told us that she's going to go for the TPP if she's elected. She doesn't want a vocal leftist criticizing her from her own administration when she does these things.

[QUOTE=Ivef;51062333]does that mean if we vote for nobody, then nobody will be elected? this is a great idea[/QUOTE] If no candidate gets the required number of votes, Congress votes.

he's goddamn right

the presidential election is not about voting for the person you want to be president; it is about voting for who you think, [I]among the only possible choices of success[/I], will do the job better protest votes accomplish nothing, seriously, nobody cares about changing their platform just because a minority decides to protest in a manner that [I]doesn't affect whether or not they get elected[/I] you won't harm hillary's campaign, or trump's campaign, by voting for a third/fourth candidate; they will NOT care if you do not harm their campaigns by voting for the other two-party candidate the time for changing the system for alternative candidates is [B]during the primaries[/B], not after the only reason I can see for voting alternative is if you TRULY have zero preference between the two primary candidates

Poor Bernie, a sane man with fucking insane supporters trying to explain to them why you can't just rabidly oppose the establishment like a teenager throwing a tantrum.

[QUOTE=LtKyle2;51062327]Switching on his position that he wouldn't tell people who to vote for, huh. Good thing I'm registered independent. If you're registered Democrat then sure, you have an obligation to vote for Clinton.[/QUOTE] He endorsed Hillary during the DNC and promised to endorse the primary winner from the start of his fucking campaign.

[QUOTE=King Tiger;51062372]Because Hillary doesn't want someone with Bernie's values making noises in the background during her presidency. She's actually that opposed to him. Otherwise, I agree, it's a very dumb political decision not to have either Sanders or Warren as her VP pick. I think the last poll I saw on the issue said that 52% of Sanders voters aren't going to vote for Clinton. Even if that's an over-exaggeration, (it most certainly is) it's still far higher than any other polls we've seen in the past (Clinton voters in the '08 election, for example). [editline]16th September 2016[/editline] We can expect her to flip on her pledge for education reform and she's all but told us that she's going to go for the TPP if she's elected. She doesn't want a vocal leftist criticizing her from her own administration when she does these things.[/QUOTE] She doesn't care even a little bit. She keeps doubling down on her cronyism and disregard for the general populace. She's reveling in the shit-slinging with Trump instead of talking policy, and all of her ego protecting cover ups hurt the credibility of anyone that does an honest analysis of her policies because she can't fucking stop lying. This shouldn't even be a close race.

[QUOTE=carcarcargo;51062439]Poor Bernie, a sane man with fucking insane supporters trying to explain to them why you can't just rabidly oppose the establishment like a teenager throwing a tantrum.[/QUOTE] 'you are fucking insane for wanting more than 2 choices for the leader of your country' what lol

[QUOTE=Paramud;51062493]He endorsed Hillary during the DNC and promised to endorse the primary winner from the start of his fucking campaign.[/QUOTE] That's not what I'm saying. He said in a interview [I]during the primaries[/I] he wouldn't tell his supporters who to vote for. I'm not talking about endorsing Hillary for fucks sake. Endorsing =/= telling who to vote for.

Sorry Bernie, but I will not vote for your abuser.

[QUOTE=Matthew0505;51062627]First it was "DNC can run it however they want it's a private organization" and now it's "you should've done it in the primaries" make up your mind.[/QUOTE] I think he is talking specifically to Democratic voters in the primaries.

I hate this election. Both candidates are terrible, for different reasons. And both play the "vote me because it's not them!" card. Even the third party candidates are kinda nuts. Fuck everything.

[QUOTE=richard9311;51062771]I hate this election. Both candidates are terrible, for different reasons. And both play the "vote me because it's not them!" card. Even the third party candidates are kinda nuts. Fuck everything.[/QUOTE] I do have an idea to change things. Its not coherent, but its an idea worth trying.

Personally I kind of disagree with his opinion. Maybe people need a fucking wake-up call if they're seriously considering voting for Trump. Hillary is a pretty fucking awful choice, but she's fairly predictable in that she'll just openly serve the highest bidder (within reason.) Trump is the kind of guy where there's literally nothing that's off the table. Perhaps America needs that: maybe when thousands of people die horribly or get injured and ill with no recompense the populace as a whole will fucking exile the people who think Trump is a good idea. Four years of not being able to trust what you eat, constantly worrying whether or not your water is good to drink, and getting pissed off that the infrastructure around you is steadily crumbling can cause a person to change their tune when that next election cycle comes. Think about it. If Hillary gets elected then we'll have four years of people going "SEE!? THE DEMOCRATS ARE HORRIBLE! FROM NOW ON WE NEED TO ONLY TRUST THE REPUBLICANS"

[QUOTE=Dissolution;51062631]'you are fucking insane for wanting more than 2 choices for the leader of your country' what lol[/QUOTE] When one of them is Donald Trump, yeah. I'd take Bush's 3rd term over Trump. At least that's less likely to put us in another great depression.

[QUOTE=richard9311;51062771]I hate this election. Both candidates are terrible, for different reasons. And both play the "vote me because it's not them!" card. Even the third party candidates are kinda nuts. Fuck everything.[/QUOTE] The principle difference to me is that while neither of them have great personalities, and I have a lot of professional complaints about Clinton from a politics standpoint (cavalier attitude regarding cybersecurity, Third Way foreign policy and green energy policy, guns) Trump is uniquely unqualified to be president. His stances are either vague or inherently contradictory and his statements regarding any number of issues from Putin to climate change are deeply concerning on an existential level. Very few politicians have made statements that, in my eyes, would disqualify them from the presidency but Trump himself seemingly makes a new one ever month. Also the simple political calculus of seeing Sanders (the person I voted for) no longer being an option and going to the next closest candidate, which is objectively Clinton. She wasn't my first choice, but fuck dude, I'm not gonna be the guy who uses my fundamental right of self-determination to choose Donald "NATO is outdated and global warming is a Chinese Hoax" fucking Trump.

[QUOTE=Matthew0505;51062627]First it was "DNC can run it however they want it's a private organization" and now it's "you should've done it in the primaries" make up your mind.[/QUOTE] what the fuck are you talking about? don't put words in my mouth, especially not words i've heavily criticized coming from others on many occasions those two statements are also not forming a coherent point together

[QUOTE=willer;51062789]Personally I kind of disagree with his opinion. Maybe people need a fucking wake-up call if they're seriously considering voting for Trump. Hillary is a pretty fucking awful choice, but she's fairly predictable in that she'll just openly serve the highest bidder (within reason.)[/QUOTE] Said bidders also benefit from the country not suffering a total economic collapse...

[QUOTE=willer;51062789] Trump is the kind of guy where there's literally nothing that's off the table. Perhaps America needs that: maybe when thousands of people die horribly or get injured and ill with no recompense the populace as a whole will fucking exile the people who think Trump is a good idea. [B]Four years of not being able to trust what you eat, constantly worrying whether or not your water is good to drink[/B], and getting pissed off that the infrastructure around you is steadily crumbling can cause a person to change their tune when that next election cycle comes.[/QUOTE] What the hell even is this post

[QUOTE=willer;51062789]Personally I kind of disagree with his opinion. Maybe people need a fucking wake-up call if they're seriously considering voting for Trump. Hillary is a pretty fucking awful choice, but she's fairly predictable in that she'll just openly serve the highest bidder (within reason.) Trump is the kind of guy where there's literally nothing that's off the table. Perhaps America needs that: maybe when thousands of people die horribly or get injured and ill with no recompense the populace as a whole will fucking exile the people who think Trump is a good idea. Four years of not being able to trust what you eat, constantly worrying whether or not your water is good to drink, and getting pissed off that the infrastructure around you is steadily crumbling can cause a person to change their tune when that next election cycle comes. Think about it. If Hillary gets elected then we'll have four years of people going "SEE!? THE DEMOCRATS ARE HORRIBLE! FROM NOW ON WE NEED TO ONLY TRUST THE REPUBLICANS"[/QUOTE] This is why I've already made peace with the idea that Trump could very well win this election. I'm lucky because personally I'm sort of insulated from the fallout of a lot of the retarded shit he has asked so for the next 4 or god forbid 8 years I'd pretty much be able to say "I told you so" every week. I don't necessarily agree that this needs to happen; the optimal scenario is that Clinton gets 4 years of a decent presidency that makes people go "eh that wasn't so bad" and we either get a decent Republican or she wins again. But it's how I've approached the idea of a Trump presidency for the past few months. I will agree with you on the last bit though. If Clinton doesn't win this presidential election by a fair margin then Republicans are going to have Congress on lock. [QUOTE=Mr. Someguy;51062799]When one of them is Donald Trump, yeah. I'd take Bush's 3rd term over Trump. At least that's less likely to put us in another great depression.[/QUOTE] I was going to make a post comparing a 3rd term of Bush with Donald Trump then I stopped when I realized I was actually going to compare the two. It really says enough. If Clinton actually did die of whatever absurd illness Info Wars thinks she has today I'd probably vote Johnson. This after making posts not 6 months ago that I'd sooner vote for a non-Trump republican than I would a libertarian. I really, really don't like Libertarian policies but fuck, I'd rather have a libertarian with some executive branch experience than a clownshoes candidate like Trump representing our country.

[QUOTE=King Tiger;51062372]Because Hillary doesn't want someone with Bernie's values making noises in the background during her presidency. She's actually that opposed to him. We can expect her to flip on her pledge for education reform and she's all but told us that she's going to go for the TPP if she's elected. She doesn't want a vocal leftist criticizing her from her own administration when she does these things. [/QUOTE] You mean on the 95% of things they agree on, or the vocal leftists already comprising her administration? I'm dreading a Clinton presidency mostly because of the conspiracy theories everyone else will have to put up with, and they'll only escalate.

[QUOTE=1legmidget;51062512]She doesn't care even a little bit. She keeps doubling down on her cronyism and disregard for the general populace. She's reveling in the shit-slinging with Trump instead of talking policy, and all of her ego protecting cover ups hurt the credibility of anyone that does an honest analysis of her policies because she can't fucking stop lying. This shouldn't even be a close race.[/QUOTE] Wait what? That last line seems to imply you're voting for fucking Trump?

[QUOTE=*Freezorg*;51062814]What the hell even is this post[/QUOTE] [url]http://thehill.com/regulation/healthcare/296152-trump-says-he-would-eliminate-food-safety-regulations[/url]

He's right. Our #1 priority right now is stopping Trump. Should we be successful and Hillary makes it in, we can turn our attention to her. Bernie already mobilized so many people and got her to concede so much, that I'm sure we can keep going. Whether or not she'll listen once she's in office is one thing, but we know for a fact that Trump isn't about to listen to anyone besides the voices in his head.