Belgium police attack: Man shouting 'Allahu Akbar' attacks two officers in Charleroi with machete - Polidicks

Early days and not much info yet: [url]http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/belgium-police-attack-news-latest-man-shouting-allahu-akbar-attacks-two-officers-in-charleroi-with-a7176361.html[/url]

[quote]Local media reported that a female police officer was taken to hospital with severe injuries to her face, while her colleague was not seriously wounded.[/quote] I bet that can't look very good, getting chopped in the face with any blade is awful but I imagine a machete probably leaves one wicked cut. Hope it's just superficial and she didn't lose an eye or something.

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[QUOTE=Tarver;50839331]And it just keeps rolling,rolling,rolling[/QUOTE] The reader comments are insightful.

Motherfucker, that's 40 kilometers away from my home. Shit's getting too close.

Nothing to do with islam etc etc...

[QUOTE=nVidia;50839977]Nothing to do with islam etc etc...[/QUOTE] Shhhhhh Any critique of violent rhetoric will instantly turn any local Muslims into radical Jihadists. Don't criticize their belief or else they'll turn into violent animals, but don't be racist and think they are all violent animals.

[QUOTE=Thlis;50839992]Shhhhhh Any critique of violent rhetoric will instantly turn any local Muslims into radical Jihadists. Don't criticize their belief or else they'll turn into violent animals, but don't be racist and think they are all violent animals.[/QUOTE] Yeah. Liberals seem to believe that Muslims are just like you and me, but say something that might be a little critical of their religion and they'll turn into violent maniacs. Its called the "Narrative Narrative" [media]http://youtu.be/0HSe2gf2fxg[/media]

[QUOTE=nVidia;50839977]Nothing to do with islam etc etc...[/QUOTE] Maybe not moderate Islam, but if they believe it has nothing to do with radical Islam they have their heads buried in the sand!

[QUOTE=Pantz Master;50840085]Yeah. Liberals seem to believe that Muslims are just like you and me, but say something that might be a little critical of their religion and they'll turn into violent maniacs. Its called the "Narrative Narrative" [media]http://youtu.be/0HSe2gf2fxg[/media][/QUOTE] [QUOTE=Thlis;50839992]Shhhhhh Any critique of violent rhetoric will instantly turn any local Muslims into radical Jihadists. Don't criticize their belief or else they'll turn into violent animals, but don't be racist and think they are all violent animals.[/QUOTE] [QUOTE=nVidia;50839977]Nothing to do with islam etc etc...[/QUOTE] that's a nice shitposting echo chamber you guys have got going on here, intentionally misrepresenting opposing viewpoints to exclaim how muslims are all satanists and that the dirty liberals don't recognize the existence of islamic violence either you're actually that racist or this is a case of poe's law gone viral (not referring to nVidia on that one)

[QUOTE=bitches;50840159]intentionally misrepresenting opposing viewpoints to exclaim how muslims are all satanists and that the dirty liberals don't recognize the existence of islamic violence[/QUOTE] Literally no one is doing this.

[QUOTE=bitches;50840159]intentionally misrepresenting opposing viewpoints[/quote] [QUOTE=bitches;50840159]muslims are all satanists and that the dirty liberals don't recognize the existence of islamic violence [/QUOTE] Instant irony.

[QUOTE=soulharvester;50840182]Literally no one is doing this.[/QUOTE] yeah because this [QUOTE=nVidia;50839977]Nothing to do with islam etc etc...[/QUOTE] totally doesn't imply that there are people that would pretend this had nothing to do with islam

[QUOTE=bitches;50840237]yeah because this totally doesn't imply that there are people that would pretend this had nothing to do with islam[/QUOTE] You claimed we were implying that "muslims are all satanists". He said that nobody is doing that. He is correct.

[QUOTE=nVidia;50839977]Nothing to do with islam etc etc...[/QUOTE] Do we have to do this in literally every thread where there is an islamist attack?

[QUOTE=nVidia;50839977]Nothing to do with islam etc etc...[/QUOTE] If it is something with Islam, explain the 40 million muslims living in the west without issue

[QUOTE=bitches;50840159]that the dirty liberals don't recognize the existence of islamic violence[/QUOTE] Just 5 years ago this would seem absurd to me. But the psuedo-liberal self-censorship mill has pretty much had a violent aneurysm or something, and get more and more cooky each year. [editline]6th August 2016[/editline] [QUOTE=da space core;50840266]If it is something with Islam, explain the 40 million muslims living in the west without issue[/QUOTE] I'm sorry, iv'e been staring at this post for five minutes now in disbelief. Are you saying that Muslim extremism has nothing to do with Islam?

[QUOTE=da space core;50840266]If it is something with Islam, explain the 40 million muslims living in the west without issue[/QUOTE] they have found some sort of meaning in their life, most likely family, csreer, and community, and thus are not nearly as likely to fall for the allure that jihad against the west has for a number of directionless and disllusioned youth, whom are the primary targets for radicalization.

[QUOTE=da space core;50840266]If it is something with Islam, explain the 40 million muslims living in the west without issue[/QUOTE] Explain the millions of Christians who didn't burn heretics at the stake during the inquisition. Haha! Checkmate!

[QUOTE=bitches;50840237]yeah because this totally doesn't imply that there are people that would pretend this had nothing to do with islam[/QUOTE] Its more about not being able to critisize islam, with someone coming out of the woodwork to say "you can't say that, that's racist/islamaphobic/problematic/etc" [QUOTE=bitches;50840159] either you're actually that racist or this is a case of poe's law gone viral[/QUOTE] Like this for example Protip: Islam isn't a race, it's a set of ideas, system of government and theological principals. All of which are terrible, violent, forcefully expansionist and are of no value in any way. We're talking about a religion that says any non believers are basically subhuman, and can be traded, slaughtered and raped as a commodity. We're talking about a religion that not only encourages the ownership of slaves, but the only "permissible" way to get slaves, is through war. We're talking about a religion so fundamentally based in fear and degradation, that Islam literally translates to "submission", IE to Allah. We're talking about a religion that says all your sins, no matter how henious, can be wiped away with Jihad, or holy war/violence against non believers. Whenever you hear that, like in the case of the orlando gay club shooter "oh he wasn't a real muslim, he drank and fucked and he went to the gay bar and wasn't particularly religious", it's horseshit. Because in islam, the only way to fully be "clean" in the eyes of allah, is by comitting jihad attacks. "Bad" Muslims are more likely to be terrorists in the west, because they're trying to redeem themselves in the eyes of god. Especially under fundie preachers who're saying "you're not a real muslim, you're infatuated with the sinful western way of living. you must attone" at all times [URL="https://facepunch.com/showthread.php?t=1526903&p=50713746#post50713746"]Read this[/URL] for more of my thoughts if you'd like. But the point i was trying to make is that you absolutely just proved those other people right. I'd really advise you go read a copy of the qaran, it's a horror show and neither it nor any other part of islam has any place in the modern world. Stop defending it.

Argue all you want about Islam being shitty but all you're doing is alianating a large amount of people who don't see non believers as subhuman or want to wage war.

Assuming every Muslim is a terrorist is like assuming every Christian wants to murder gays. [editline]ass[/editline] While I do agree some of the Qur'an is complete shit in the modern world saying every Muslim practices it to the letter is just false.

[QUOTE=MrJazzy;50840331]Argue all you want about Islam being shitty but all you're doing is alianating a large amount of people who don't see non believers as subhuman or want to wage war.[/QUOTE] They're not alianting anyone, they're just poking fun at liberals who jump to defend Muslims more than the actual victims.

[QUOTE=Trilby Harlow;50840318]Its more about not being able to critisize islam, with someone coming out of the woodwork to say "you can't say that, that's racist/islamaphobic/problematic/etc" Like this for example Protip: Islam isn't a race, it's a set of ideas, system of government and theological principals. All of which are terrible, violent, forcefully expansionist and are of no value in any way. We're talking about a religion that says any non believers are basically subhuman, and can be traded, slaughtered and raped as a commodity. We're talking about a religion that not only encourages the ownership of slaves, but the only "permissible" way to get slaves, is through war. We're talking about a religion so fundamentally based in fear and degradation, that Islam literally translates to "submission", IE to Allah. We're talking about a religion that says all your sins, no matter how henious, can be wiped away with Jihad, or holy war/violence against non believers. Whenever you hear that, like in the case of the orlando gay club shooter "oh he wasn't a real muslim, he drank and fucked and he went to the gay bar and wasn't particularly religious", it's horseshit. Because in islam, the only way to fully be "clean" in the eyes of allah, is by comitting jihad attacks. "Bad" Muslims are more likely to be terrorists in the west, because they're trying to redeem themselves in the eyes of god. Especially under fundie preachers who're saying "you're not a real muslim, you're infatuated with the sinful western way of living. you must attone" at all times [URL="https://facepunch.com/showthread.php?t=1526903&p=50713746#post50713746"]Read this[/URL] for more of my thoughts if you'd like. But the point i was trying to make is that you absolutely just proved those other people right. I'd really advise you go read a copy of the qaran, it's a horror show and neither it nor any other part of islam has any place in the modern world. Stop defending it.[/QUOTE] Pick your word. Racist, islamophobic, evangelic. It doesn't change the point that it is wrong to judge a whole group of people for radical actions, as if Christianity hasn't had scores of terrorists and extremists of its own throughout history, as well as terrible beliefs in its own books. It's pretty obvious that religion is the excuse for violent behavior, and not the cause. [editline]6th August 2016[/editline] [QUOTE=RzDat;50840376]They're not alianting anyone, they're just poking fun at liberals who jump to defend Muslims more than the actual victims.[/QUOTE] this only happens in response to hateful rhetoric against peaceful muslims you're allowed to care about the victims at the same time, you know

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[QUOTE=bitches;50840379]Pick your word. Racist, islamophobic, evangelic. It doesn't change the point that it is wrong to judge a whole group of people for radical actions, as if Christianity hasn't had scores of terrorists and extremists of its own throughout history, as well as terrible beliefs in its own books. It's pretty obvious that religion is the excuse for violent behavior, and not the cause. [/QUOTE] I think most people here would be fine with condemning Christian terrorist attacks or Buddhist terrorist attacks and that condemning parts of those ideologies that promoted those kinds of attacks is perfectly proper. It's you that is conflating criticism of ideology with racism. If you subscribe to an ideology then you should be judged on the tennants you subscribe to.

[QUOTE=MrJazzy;50840331]Argue all you want about Islam being shitty but all you're doing is alianating a large amount of people who don't see non believers as subhuman or want to wage war.[/QUOTE] You just used the narrative narrative again. Please watch the video I posted above, especially the last minute or so. You're basically claiming this: Muslims are for the most part just like you and me. They are doctors, business people, and average citizens. However, by criticizing their religion at all we are "alienating" them or "driving them into the hands of terrorists". This claim is either 1. False, and its the most uncharitable thing ever said about a community and you should stop saying it. 2. True, and therefore Muslims are NOT just normal people like you and me and we should be super worried about this.

Wow, I wonder what the motive is? What could possibly compel someone to do such a thing?

[QUOTE=bitches;50840379]It's pretty obvious that religion is the excuse for violent behavior, and not the cause. [/QUOTE] Where does this myth come from?

[QUOTE=bitches;50840379]Pick your word. Racist, islamophobic, evangelic. It doesn't change the point that it is wrong to judge a whole group of people for radical actions, as if Christianity hasn't had scores of terrorists and extremists of its own throughout history, as well as terrible beliefs in its own books. It's pretty obvious that religion is the excuse for violent behavior, and not the cause. [editline]6th August 2016[/editline] this only happens in response to hateful rhetoric against peaceful muslims you're allowed to care about the victims at the same time, you know[/QUOTE] Where did i say all muslims are like this? Find me the words, i dare you. I didn't say "this one muslim attatcked a policewoman with a machete, therefore they all will." I was saying here's the book they worship, and it's filled to the brim with terrible ideas that directly encourage this violent behaviour. The definition of a muslim is someone who worships the ideas in the Quran, and that's what i was judging. To say "It doesn't change the point that it is wrong to judge a whole group of people for radical actions" is wrong. Because they're not 'radical' muslims. They're practicing what they read in the Qaran. Not some ridiculous, non cannon, heretical fringe like Westborough or some politically motivated, authoritarian perversion of islam used to further the interests of a few, like the pre lutharian catholic church, they're practicing islam. I am judging basic, unadulterated islam, based on my readings of my copy of the Quran, supplimented by some talks i listen to from ex muslims, talking about the history and contemporary state of islam. Here's what's going on here. You see me talking about these ideas, and associate them with "radical terrorists", or a minority of Muslims. And see that as pretentious, presumptuous and irrational as judging the heinous extremist minority of any group to represent that whole group. like the german RAF "liberals", or radical feminists, or crazy off the turnip wagon anti state libertarians, the IRA, all extreme perversions of their parent ideas, which have diverged so far as to not represent those original ideas in any way. But here's the thing. Islam is different. I'm not judging some radical militant sect of islam, I'm judging the basic, unfettered words in the Quran, as they have stood since 600AD. A book so stuck in time that any minor change in it is heretical. Mohammad was viewed as absolutely holy, to change his words is to change the word of Allah. These are not radical heretics, these are people who are practicing Islam as it has always been. This is islam so cannon and widespread, it'd be the equivalent of a basic baptist church, with nothing but a copy of the king james. Islam is not the same as any other religion. It was the preachings of a warlord claiming to be the last prophet, who simply taught whatever he needed to teach to keep his men loyal and bloodthirsty. And unlike western religions, it has [I]refused[/I] reformation. There aren't any terrible teachings in the bible, any terrible practices were perversions by the catholic or other such churches to serve their own ends, or were heretical side branches during the middle ages. All were purged by the lutharian reformations. Find me a quote in the new testament where it says to wage holy war on other religions, to keep slaves, to keep multiple wives, to value women as half of that of men, that women must cover themselves up so as not to "entice" men, as to excuse a man of all sexual responsibility. Find me a passage saying that gays, apostates, adulterers or female rape victims should be put to death for their "crimes". I'll spoil it for you, you can't. and even if you could, it'd be irrelevant. Even to begin with, there's many verses saying that any religious "battles" are of a [URL="http://www.biblestudytools.com/kjva/ephesians/6-12.html"]spiritual and abstract nature[/URL], and not of a physical conquest. And in current times, the [URL="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Protestant_Reformation"]protestant reformations[/URL], which is the basis of all modern Christianity and to a point Catholicism, was a movement to modernize the religion, to stop all the horrible actions that you're using to directly equate islam with literally any other religion. I challenge you to find any comparable verses in the new testament, even pre luther heretical texts to those that are currently practiced in the Qaran. I'll wait.