Hey Garry, why'd you remove some of the tags, and can we those back? - General

Look, I know that [table] tags were removed because of a bug that fucked up layouts instead of just fixing the bug but here's the thing. [IMG]http://i.imgur.com/44jwjtj.png[/IMG] Ok, so you don't think that using them to set up OPs is the correct use. But what is inherently wrong with using it to correctly align OPs? It means they're getting plenty of use, therefore their presence isn't pointless. Of course, it might be forgiven if it was the only tag removed. [sub] was also removed, and probably a few others. See, people were using those. You seem to be getting rid of them for the sake of getting rid of them. If you can provide a logical reason for getting rid of the tags other than [table] then I might understand a little better, but it seems strange. Particularly with the Table example, it seems incredibly short-sighted and ignoring everything except you thinking that it's stupid, which probably isn't the best way to run things. Anyway, getting a reply explaining things properly would be useful. I'd like to know what your thought process for this was.

the subscript and superscript tags were annoying to read

Why do you want them back. If you can provide a logical reason for each tag, they will come back.

[QUOTE=garry;41564711]Why do you want them back. If you can provide a logical reason for each tag, they will come back.[/QUOTE] Give me a minute, I'll get a better thought out response. For [table], the very reason you got rid of it is the reason it should stay. Without a proper [align] tag of some sort, then [table] is required for that purpose. It currently means that there are a lot of OPs for megathreads that were very good and/or had a lot of time and effort put into them that have been wrecked by the update, meaning they're pretty much unusable. I believe that there is no harm in keeping the [table] tag, provided the bug that you paved over by removing it is fixed. Even if you don't like the alternate purpose that it has been used for, it's a very good use and I don't think that "you're not supposed to use it like that" is a good enough reason to remove it. Subscript and Superscript I can't see much logic in removing. Whether you wanted to make text lsmaller to emphasise something or make a small note, they were available for use. I honestly can't think of a reason why [I]not[/I] to allow it. While Subscript was much more commonly used, Superscript is still useful for its normal purpose that I'm not particularly good at verbalising. For the more important one, Subscript, again, whether you're using it to make a note, make something smaller for a point or simply in conversation, it's very useful. And again, I can't see why [I]not[/I] to keep Subscript and Superscript. They're perfectly useful and I haven't seen them be abused or used annoyingly in any way. If these aren't logical reasons then I suppose I don't have much to say. I hope it's enough to satisfy you.

[QUOTE=garry;41564711]Why do you want them back. If you can provide a logical reason for each tag, they will come back.[/QUOTE] Since we're talking about the forums, do you have any plans to change how GD threads are ordered by default? Keeping new threads at the top is ok but very active threads shouldn't be hidden on distant pages, maybe something that balances popularity with newness of a thread?

[QUOTE=garry;41564711]Why do you want them back. If you can provide a logical reason for each tag, they will come back.[/QUOTE] [sub] was really the only one I [I]really[/I] used. If I wanted to make an extra remark at the end of a post without taking focus away from the point I'd use [sub]. [sub]Seriously, I love this tag. Fuck [h2] though.[/sub] [editline]23rd July 2013[/editline] Scott, dumbass! Why'd you try to use a disabled tag to demonstrate why you should bring back a disabled tag? :suicide:

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[QUOTE=garry;41564711]Why do you want them back. If you can provide a logical reason for each tag, they will come back.[/QUOTE] Reason posted. I hope it's enough for you.

[QUOTE=ScottyWired;41564745][sub] was really the only one I [I]really[/I] used. If I wanted to make an extra remark at the end of a post without taking focus away from the point I'd use [sub]. [sub]Seriously, I love this tag. Fuck [h2] though.[/sub] [editline]23rd July 2013[/editline] Scott, dumbass! Why'd you try to use a disabled tag to demonstrate why you should bring back a disabled tag? :suicide:[/QUOTE] People abusing it like that was not the reason it was made for. It's lazy writing if you have to use the sub tag.

[QUOTE=Roll_Program;41564787]People abusing it like that was not the reason it was made for. It's lazy writing if you have to use the sub tag.[/QUOTE] What counts as abuse? I used [sub] to convey that words were in a lower volume and importance than the main segment of my post.

[QUOTE=ScottyWired;41564819]What counts as abuse? I used [sub] to convey that words were in a lower volume and importance than the main segment of my post.[/QUOTE] They're annoyingly small to read and just scream "I wanna try and be a funny guy". Almost as bad as people using sp tags to hide something that isn't a spoiler :v:.

I prefer 2[sup]2[/sup] over 2^2.

The only problem with sup and sub were people that nested them, making ridiculously small, unreadable text. Disallow nesting and there is nothing at all wrong with having them. Tables shouldn't be used for layout, but there's no widely supported viable alternative.

[QUOTE=ultradude25;41565047]Tables shouldn't be used for layout, but there's no widely supported viable alternative.[/QUOTE] A newly introduced align tag would suffice. [editline]23rd July 2013[/editline] Make it work with OPs only.

I don't know why you want to align stuff. I don't agree that people should be spending lots of time formatting their posts, it's not what forums are for. You might think it's very important to have the first post in a thread to have hundreds of images and have everything laid out like it's a website. But it's not. It's a post in a forum.

Honestly I think some big mega threads OPs would be better to read if you could align banners and certain information in the center

What is this a democracy? You may never have those tags back, even though you make completely logical and understandable reasons for them to exist. BECAUSE GARRY SAYS SO.

The only thing I want back is the ticker. That was the most useful feature in my opinion.

[QUOTE=Gears of duty;41565497]The only thing I want back is the ticker. That was the most useful feature in my opinion.[/QUOTE] [url]http://facepunch.com/fp_ticker.php[/url]

While you're at it Garry, may I suggest changing back the thread sorting for GD? It's fucking horrendous.

[QUOTE=Gustafa;41565509]While you're at it Garry, may I suggest changing back the thread sorting for GD? It's fucking horrendous.[/QUOTE] Throw the chat threads somewhere else, too. (fast threads?)

[QUOTE=Reds;41564549]it seems incredibly short-sighted and ignoring everything except you thinking that it's stupid, [b]which probably isn't the best way to run things.[/b][/QUOTE] Don't know if you've noticed, but the forum has pretty much been run this way for a little under 9 years now... [QUOTE=fruxodaily;41565439]Honestly I think some big mega threads OPs would be better to read if you could align banners and certain information in the center[/QUOTE] Nah, an image with a section name shouldn't be so important that the whole post is ruined if it isn't in the middle. If an image being in the middle rather than on the left improves the post so much, it means you should focus more on what you're typing rather than what you made in photoshop.

[QUOTE=garry;41565415]I don't know why you want to align stuff. I don't agree that people should be spending lots of time formatting their posts, it's not what forums are for. You might think it's very important to have the first post in a thread to have hundreds of images and have everything laid out like it's a website. But it's not. It's a post in a forum.[/QUOTE] It's the first post, in a megathread, particularly in the games section, you're going to have a ton of information pertaining to the subject at hand. It's useful as hell. Here's the thing. [I]Other forums do that too.[/I] Why does your "real forum" opinion conflict with pretty much the entire forum?

the amount of times that shit has been taken away and brought back on this forum is astounding how about let's not make anymore teeny tiny silly changes and actually working on stuff that matters [editline]23rd July 2013[/editline] i mean i never used tags personally but some people did. i see just as little point in removing them as keeping them but what do i know

[QUOTE=Cowabanga;41565564]Throw the chat threads somewhere else, too. (fast threads?)[/QUOTE] Subforum.

[QUOTE=FFStudios;41566234]working on stuff that matters[/QUOTE] What matters?

[QUOTE=mon_ons;41566366]What matters?[/QUOTE] Downtime?

[QUOTE=Gustafa;41565461]What is this a democracy? You may never have those tags back, even though you make completely logical and understandable reasons for them to exist. BECAUSE GARRY SAYS SO.[/QUOTE] it's his forum though so i am not sure what you're getting at

[QUOTE=DeEz;41566517]it's his forum though so i am not sure what you're getting at[/QUOTE] And what would his forum be if it had no members? Nothing. That's like saying the Queen owns this country and everyone has to set fire to themselves because she says so.

[QUOTE=Gustafa;41566535]And what would his forum be if it had no members? Nothing.[/QUOTE] it still means nothing in reality because garry can do precisely whatever he wants with FP regardless of how stupid you and I think his decision may be