Why Psychonauts 2's Crowdfunding is not to be trusted. - General

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As much as I don't trust Psychonauts 2's fate to crowdfunding, I want Psychonauts 2 to exist more than I care about anyone's financial wellbeing.

[QUOTE=xalener;49337393]As much as I don't trust Psychonauts 2's fate to crowdfunding, I want Psychonauts 2 to exist more than I care about anyone's financial wellbeing.[/QUOTE] Well like the dude said in the video. I personally really look forward to a new Psychonauts but i don't trust any funding with Tim Schafer. I donated 40$ to Broken Age and i feel robbed now.

I had to stop right in the beggining. Already the dude doesn't have his facts right. A 3rd party is helping to fund Psychonauts 2 but the extra 3.3 mil he's asking for is because that's for much he got for Broken Age. It's more like extra funding on top of the funding already being provided to it. It's not a case of a /possible/ Psychonauts 2. It is Psychonauts 2.

You shouldn't trust it because it's run by Tim Schafer. I don't need any other reasons.

[QUOTE=T-Sonar.0;49337430]I had to stop right in the beggining. Already the dude doesn't have his facts right. A 3rd party is helping to fund Psychonauts 2 but the extra 3.3 mil he's asking for is because that's for much he got for Broken Age. It's more like extra funding on top of the funding already being provided to it. [B]It's not a case of a /possible/ Psychonauts 2. It is Psychonauts 2.[/B][/QUOTE] Well the project can still fail, even if it's being funded by a third party.

[QUOTE=T-Sonar.0;49337430]It's not a case of a /possible/ Psychonauts 2. It is Psychonauts 2.[/QUOTE] I'm pretty sure Tim Schafer stated that all portions of the funding are necessary for the game to be made - including the [I]additional[/I] $3,300,000

[QUOTE=T-Sonar.0;49337430]I had to stop right in the beggining. Already the dude doesn't have his facts right. A 3rd party is helping to fund Psychonauts 2 but the extra 3.3 mil he's asking for is because that's for much he got for Broken Age. It's more like extra funding on top of the funding already being provided to it. It's not a case of a /possible/ Psychonauts 2. It is Psychonauts 2.[/QUOTE] imagine saying that "he doesn't actually need the money to make the game, it's just 3.3 million dollars of extra funding" and expecting people to accept that as an argument for fucking anything [editline]18th December 2015[/editline] so either they need the 3.3 million dollars to finish the game, in which case it [B]IS[/B] a /possible/ psychonauts 2, or they don't and they just asked everyone to give them 3.3 million dollars as a cherry on top and if you read the actual fund website... [quote]Yes, we do need more than that, as we've previously said we need to raise [I]at leastthe same amount that went into making the original Psychonauts, which had a budget in the $10-13.5m range. In order to do that, we need to gather money from multiple sources.[/I][/quote] so no, you've lied, it is a [B]possible [/B]psychonauts 2 - he even uses the fucking word "possible" in the funding video for fucks sake when he says that all of the funding components (including the crowdfunding) are required to MAKE THE GAME POSSIBLE [URL]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZFFrE_3n2ws&feature=youtu.be&t=114[/URL] right here so you didn't read their website, nor did you watch the funding video? what exactly entitled you to say that he didn't have his facts straight??

You don't cure an alcoholic by giving him more alcohol.

Still feeling burned over Spacebase, so no thanks Tim.

[QUOTE=T-Sonar.0;49337430]I had to stop right in the beggining. Already the dude doesn't have his facts right. A 3rd party is helping to fund Psychonauts 2 but the extra 3.3 mil he's asking for is because that's for much he got for Broken Age. It's more like extra funding on top of the funding already being provided to it. It's not a case of a /possible/ Psychonauts 2. It is Psychonauts 2.[/QUOTE] It also was really hard to take this seriously when he was literally the physical embodiment of an embarrassingly over-angry edgy internet nerd putting way too much emphasis on small stuff vs just stating his argument like a normal human being.

[QUOTE=KorJax;49344187]It also was really hard to take this seriously when he was literally the physical embodiment of an embarrassingly over-angry edgy internet nerd putting way too much emphasis on small stuff vs just stating his argument like a normal human being.[/QUOTE] yeah, he definitely over-emphasized the small stuff like "non-accredited investors have absolutely no protections until January 2016", or "there's absolutely no guarantee that NAC investors will actually get their money invested into Psychonauts 2" or that the game is being funded and presumably having those funds protected by a company that TIM SCHAFER SITS ON THE ADVISORY BOARD FOR fucking hell you don't have to be a master of finance and interactions in business to comprehend that crowdfunding, an activity made extremely risky in the first place due to lack of legal protection and failure to deliver, probably doesn't need the additional issue of management of said funds being influenced by the same fucking people trying to benefit from it not to mention you're attacking his points for him "being the physical embodiment of an angry internet nerd" disclosure: i don't think i've ever watched a video from this guy before, and his voice is a bit nasally, but he's bang on the money

It is also worth pointing out that [url=https://www.reddit.com/r/KotakuInAction/comments/3xb0e9/psychonauts_2_crowdfunding_gamers_vs_investors/]certain backer info seems fishy[/url]: [quote] As a (former) Schafer fan, I've followed the Psychonauts 2 crowdfunding campaign with a great deal of interest. I was surprised but not surprised that the campaign didn't meet its goals overnight, and with a little bit of schadenfreude I've watched the number slowly grow while he also moved the timeframe for its completion. However, when I looked at the overall numbers, they didn't seem to add up properly. When I did the math (10:52 EST on 12/17/2015), there was a total of $2,782,585 from 16,705 backers. That would mean the average backer spent an impressive $166.57 on the game. However, that seemed exceptionally high to me given the lower tiers (and larger amount of backers there) were far below such a lofty number. I decided to do the math, and here are the following backing prices and their amount of backers: $10 - 1,022 backers, total: $10,220 $33 - 3300 backers, total: $108,900 $39 - 5944 backers, total: $231,816 $69 - 1587 backers, total: $109,503 $100 - 1314 backers, total: $131,400 $150 - 1367 backers, total: $205,050 $250 - 520 backers, total: $130,000 $350 - 62 backers, total: $21,700 $400 - 138 backers, total: $55,200 $500 - 90 backers, total: $45,000 $800 - 69 backers, total: $55,200 $2000 - 11 backers, total: $22,000 $5000 (special 1 reward) - 1 backer, total: $5,000 $5000 (special 5 rewards) - 5 backers, total: $25,000 $5000 (special 1 reward) - 1 backer, total: $5,000 $5000 (special 1 reward) - 1 backer, total: $5,000 $10000 - 3 backers, total: $30,000 Total backers receiving rewards shown on the crowdfunding page: 15,435 vs. the 16,705 listed as backers. [b]Total amount from people getting a reward: $1,195,989 This means an average of $77.49 is being pledged by a reward-receiving backer. That's a pretty impressive amount, but nowhere near the easily-reported average of $166.57. So there are 1,270 backers that aren't receiving the rewards listed. I assume that these people must be the people who are actually investing in the game. The amount from reward receiving backers is $1,195,989 vs. the total listed as $2,782,585. Difference between traditional backers and investors: $1,586,596 Average investment amount: $1249.29 Based on these numbers, while Psychonauts 2 will get funded, it is obvious that most of the money for this endeavor is coming from accredited investors, while parading under the guise of crowdfunding. Until now, crowdfunding was from people who could at most only expect the reward promised to them as a result of their donation. However with this campaign, a line is being greatly blurred, yet we will surely see it being trumpeted by Schafer and his friends in the media as "proof" that "gamers" still love him.[/b] I do hope one of the press outlets looks into the final numbers when they come out and question how much support truly came from gamers and traditional crowdfunding, rather than outside investors. I'm sure one will attempt to get this sort of disclosure, but I'm also sure we won't see it from the many press outlets who have been hostile to us.[/quote] It seems like third party investor money might be being funneled into the fig crowdfunding campaign.

[QUOTE=KorJax;49344187]It also was really hard to take this seriously when he was literally the physical embodiment of an embarrassingly over-angry edgy internet nerd putting way too much emphasis on small stuff vs just stating his argument like a normal human being.[/QUOTE] Says the guy with the furry avatar. [highlight](User was banned for this post ("why reply?" - OvB))[/highlight]

if the fact that Tim Schafer literally had to create his own version of Kickstarter (which he owns) to run his campaign on doesn't raise any red flags for you then you're a spineless fanboy literally justifying corrupt business practices and a contract that enables fraud for nothing more than "muh games though".

Very helpful video, didn't know Fig had Tim Schafer as a chairman. I wasn't going to back Psychonauts 2 but maybe I can convince my friends to spend their money wisely.

[QUOTE=Doom64hunter;49344371]Says the guy with the furry avatar.[/QUOTE] There's a lot of irony in you saying that when you read what he literally [I]just said[/I]

I would just take the man's track record and previous unprofessional behavior as signs he shouldn't be trusted with money. Not even including how I feel about him being chairman of the kickstarting platform in question. If that doesn't sound some alarms or raise some flags I don't know what to say to you. Feel free to back it but make sure your desire for the end product justifies the risk.

This guy is very Jim Sterling

I didn't even know that thing about Spacebase DF9. Releasing your game for early access and expecting that money to fund it or you'll pull the plug is a disturbing model.

whats fucking annoying to me is that he has the IP of one of my most loved games and teased sayiing " if pyshconaughts 2 gets funded ill make a second brutal legends" Like fuck, I don't have a huge love of PN really, but i really do love brutal legends.

I appreciate his approach, which is very open to criticism and interpretation, as well as "the choice is your's" aspect which some people do and fail miserably but he actually follows that well. I like this guy.

[QUOTE=J!NX;49344157]You don't cure an alcoholic by giving him more alcohol.[/QUOTE] Well cure might be too strong a word but it certainly is a solution in the long term. Shame money can't do the same.

he makes some good points but he seems like he's trying too hard to be like jim sterling

After the way Broken Age was handled, no thanks, Tim Schafer. Not this time. I think I'd rather get it the same way I got the original Psychonauts: by finding it in a bargain bin for $5.

I want to trust Tim with this but I just don't. I can't. It sucks knowing that I can't support the dream sequel to one of my all time favorite games.

Why would you support one of Anita's little fuccbois? The sock thing was a pretty pathetic attempt itself, and honestly pretty embarrassing.

I've never planned to give Schafer any of my dosh, but I would be lying if I said a little part of me didn't want Psychonauts 2 to be a thing. However, if Tim feels like being a cheeky cunt and making a reference to GG, I'll just throw the game straight in the garbage, and not because I support or am against GG (I honestly don't care). Just because doing such a thing would just be lazy, dickish, and make him appear like more of an immature manchild.

[QUOTE=xalener;49337393]As much as I don't trust Psychonauts 2's fate to crowdfunding, I want Psychonauts 2 to exist more than I care about anyone's financial wellbeing.[/QUOTE] Your money to throw away and burn.

[QUOTE=X12321;49347214]Why would you support one of Anita's little fuccbois? The sock thing was a pretty pathetic attempt itself, and honestly pretty embarrassing.[/QUOTE] [video=youtube;eEDCcdjgMNs]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eEDCcdjgMNs[/video] That is pretty damn cringeworthy.