Romneycare Returns - Polidicks

[img]http://images.politico.com/global/2013/10/29/131028_mitt_romney_barack_obama_health_care_laws_aps_605.jpg[/img] [quote]President Barack Obama wants Americans to believe this about his health care law: It’s just like Mitt’s. After all, the White House used the 2006 Massachusetts health program signed into law by Republican Mitt Romney as its blueprint for the national model. And in case anyone missed the message last year during the presidential campaign, Obama will repeat it again Wednesday. [...] Obama and his aides have long used Romney’s program in the political arena both as a weapon and a shield. During debate over Obamacare in Congress, and now more recently, it’s been used to show that Obama is open to Republican-backed solutions. On the campaign trail last year, he and his aides used it to bludgeon Romney. David Plouffe, Obama’s former adviser, called Romney “the godfather” of Obamacare on “Meet the Press” in 2012. [...] Some Republican governors have already taken steps to implement elements of the law. A handful have pressed their legislatures to adopt a massive expansion of Medicaid made possible by Obamacare, and a few others have looked at running their own enrollment systems — although the law is still largely being fought along partisan lines, even at the state level. [...] “In terms of technology, our program was much simpler,” he said. “It was a small build. We didn’t have a lot of technical glitches.” While the Massachusetts experiment — complete with an “individual mandate” to buy insurance — inspired Obamacare, their paths diverged almost from the beginning. In 2005 and 2006, Republican Romney presided over a divided government and hammered out a hard-fought compromise with an overwhelmingly Democratic state legislature. It passed with the support of 192 of the 194 lawmakers who voted on it. Obama, by contrast, jammed his law through a Congress dominated by his own Democratic Party without a single Republican vote. [/quote] [url]http://www.politico.com/story/2013/10/romneycare-returns-99068_Page2.html[/url] [editline]30th October 2013[/editline] Source for page one [url]http://www.politico.com/story/2013/10/romneycare-returns-99068.html[/url]

How about we get socialized medicine so I can actually afford my medication?

[QUOTE=Handsome Matt;42700767]just get free healthcare already, you're not a third world country.[/QUOTE] b-but insurance lobbyists!

Look at all these soviet losers wanting to just give healthcare to everyone makes me shit with rage

damn obama you bitter

[QUOTE=Handsome Matt;42700767]just get free healthcare already, you're not a third world country. [img]http://cdn.theatlantic.com/static/mt/assets/international/mf%20healthcaremap%20p.jpg[/img][/QUOTE] Actually if we're talking about actual universal healthcare then the map looks more like this [IMG]http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/2/25/Universal_health_care.svg[/IMG]

As far as us Canucks are concerned, healthcare should be a basic human right.

In Soviet America, you pay the hospital. [highlight](User was banned for this post ("Meme reply" - Craptasket))[/highlight]

"Obamacare isn't what this country needs, but it's a step in the right direction" -- its shit -- "Well I [B]always[/B] said it was nothing but a payoff to the insurance companies!"

[QUOTE=archangel125;42701378]As far as us Canucks are concerned, healthcare should be a basic human right.[/QUOTE] America never got the memo.

As a german citizen enjoying superb healthcare, I plain simply can't understand how a country, that calls itself a first world country, can't have healtcare.

As someone once said, America is only the first-world country where a show like Breaking Bad is actually believable.

[QUOTE=Handsome Matt;42701625][t]http://i.huffpost.com/gen/1371807/thumbs/o-BREAKING-BAD-CANADA-COMIC-facebook.jpg[/t][/QUOTE] And then he dies on a waiting list. Oh wait, no, those are a libertopian conspiracy theory.

Why not post the whole comic? [editline]30th October 2013[/editline] [QUOTE=Eudoxia;42701633]And then he dies on a waiting list. Oh wait, no, those are a libertopian conspiracy theory.[/QUOTE] I don't know about other countries, but in Canada, people who need life-saving treatment get it very quickly. All the bullshit about people dying on waiting lists is propaganda drivel.

[QUOTE=archangel125;42701634]I don't know about other countries, but in Canada, people who need life-saving treatment get it very quickly. All the bullshit about people dying on waiting lists is propaganda drivel.[/QUOTE] And even then that problem could easily be solved by making organ donation opt-out instead of opt-in. Only strongly religious countries would have a problem implementing that, in fact, I'm astounded that no politician has tried that.

[QUOTE=archangel125;42701634]I don't know about other countries, but in Canada, people who need life-saving treatment get it very quickly. All the bullshit about people dying on waiting lists is propaganda drivel.[/QUOTE] Appointments here supposedly have a three-month delay, which is actually closer to twelve, mostly for urology and endocrinology (General and pediatric medicine usually treat you within a month or so). If you have, say, prostate cancer, you need a urologist to give the okay to the surgeons to remove it, and a year is a long time for a cancer to develop (Anecdotal evidence, sure, but I know a case where the man died thirteen months after the diagnosis, and one month after the urologist saw him). [editline]30th October 2013[/editline] [QUOTE=Van-man;42701784]And even then that problem could easily be solved by making organ donation opt-out instead of opt-in. Only strongly religious countries would have a problem implementing that, in fact, I'm astounded that no politician has tried that.[/QUOTE] That will literally change nothing if people have to sit around for a year before a doctor even signs off on their surgery.

What about the Canadian Death Panels? [editline]30th October 2013[/editline] I don't know why we continue to use Canada as an example for universal healthcare. There are other countries with better universal healthcare systems than Canada.

America's health care system (both physical health and mental health), is goddamn atrocious, infuriating, and ultimately, terrifying.

[QUOTE=Eudoxia;42701506]"Obamacare isn't what this country needs, but it's a step in the right direction" -- its shit -- "Well I [B]always[/B] said it was nothing but a payoff to the insurance companies!"[/QUOTE] obamacare is the program america needs, but not the program america wants...... so sayeth batman

[QUOTE=Reshy;42700744]How about we get socialized medicine so I can actually afford my medication?[/QUOTE] Lol, Washington shits a brick anytime anything even vaguely socialist is discussed. It's idiotic, but as long as socialism is such a dirty word (even for self-professed leftists) we aren't gonna get universal healthcare.

There is one advantage I have as a diabetic living in America vs Canada. Currently the brand of insulin pump I use is only offered in the United States. They could easily have it in Canada, but the Canadian government won't pay for it. So if they do have socialized healthcare, I would hope you could still pay a higher premium for better products.

[QUOTE=Falubii;42701996]There is one advantage I have as a diabetic living in America vs Canada. Currently the brand of insulin pump I use is only offered in the United States. They could easily have it in Canada, but the Canadian government won't pay for it. So if they do have socialized healthcare, I would hope you could still pay a higher premium for better products.[/QUOTE] you can still buy them, its just not free

[QUOTE=JohnnyMo1;42701933]Lol, Washington shits a brick anytime anything even vaguely socialist is discussed. It's idiotic, but as long as socialism is such a dirty word (even for self-professed leftists) we aren't gonna get universal healthcare.[/QUOTE] It's all because of the Red Scare, ever since the cold war nationalising anything has been seen as communism. We even get it in Britain like when Ed Miliband was accused of being a Marxist just because he wants to nationalise the railway system.

[QUOTE=Handsome Matt;42700767]just get free healthcare already, you're not a third world country[/QUOTE] Sweden is a third world country.

[QUOTE=Mike Tyson;42702027]you can still buy them, its just not free[/QUOTE] Importing an Omnipod system to Canada without insurance? That would be several thousand upfront and at least $35 every two days. Diabetes is super expensive.

[QUOTE=Eudoxia;42701633]And then he dies on a waiting list. Oh wait, no, those are a libertopian conspiracy theory.[/QUOTE] The only time that happens in when countries start cutting the healthcare budget, like whats happened in the UK were it's been made stupidly inefficient by none other than our resident pro privatisation party the tories.

[QUOTE=Explosions;42702096]Sweden is a third world country.[/QUOTE] First Denmark is racist and now Sweden is a third world country... What the hell man?

[QUOTE=carcarcargo;42702051]It's all because of the Red Scare, ever since the cold war nationalising anything has been seen as communism. We even get it in Britain like when Ed Miliband was accused of being a Marxist just because he wants to nationalise the railway system.[/QUOTE] That was the Daily Mail iirc?

[QUOTE=Stents*;42703233]First Denmark is racist and now Sweden is a third world country... What the hell man?[/QUOTE] It is a third world country. So is Switzerland. Nambia is a first world country.

[QUOTE=Explosions;42703321]It is a third world country. So is Switzerland. Nambia is a first world country.[/QUOTE] Maybe you need to say wether you mean economically or politically.