Search warrant no longer needed in The Netherlands - Polidicks

Translated from a Dutch article, hope I get the point across right. [quote=Article from own government]http://www.rijksoverheid.nl/nieuws/2014/02/11/teeven-breidt-mogelijkheden-vreemdelingentoezicht-uit.html[/quote] Starting march 1st, the Dutch border police won't need a search warrant to plow trough a house any longer, if the inhabitants are suspect of housing illegal immigrants. So they're only allowed to bust open your door if they THINK there MIGHT be an illegal immigrant in the house. They're allowed to plow trough all your personals, your letters, your cabinets, and your digital data. They will however, need to have a public prosecutor with them.Even though I realize immigrants are a growing problem in our country, the fact that most of these immigrants are legal workers now makes me think this law has been put into action for all the wrong reasons. I find this news quite disconcerting. Couple this with all the tax-raises and the dissapearing of most subsidies, I really wonder what the fuck my government is doing at the moment. [IMG]http://www.gewoon-nieuws.nl/wp-content/uploads/2014/02/FredTeeven.jpeg[/IMG] The smug bastard who instigated the new law.

How the fuck is allowed.

Wow that's pretty fucked up. I hope it will be repealed

Remember this is the guy behind the 'criminals have to give up encryption keys or face harsher punishment' law. Fucking douche he is.

How come I'm not surprised at all.... [editline]26th February 2014[/editline] [b][i]Fun fact[/i][/b] : The government raised taxes on fuel SO MUCH, That they actually get LESS TAXES because people now buy everything just over the border in Germany. [img]http://i.imgur.com/LUCadIN.png[/img]

[QUOTE=Strontboer;44052253] [b][i]Fun fact[/i][/b] : The government raised taxes on fuel SO MUCH, That they actually get LESS TAXES because people now buy everything just over the border in Germany. [img]http://i.imgur.com/LUCadIN.png[/img][/QUOTE] Belgium for me, but same story. [b][i]Fun Fact 2[/i][/b]: We currently pay more for our gas then the government sells our gas to other countries.

[QUOTE=MyAlt91;44052318]Belgium for me, but same story. [b][i]Fun Fact 2[/i][/b]: We currently pay more for our gas then the government sells our gas to other countries.[/QUOTE] [img]http://i.imgur.com/LUCadIN.png[/img]

I don't even. I just don't understand what they're thinking.

[QUOTE=Strontboer;44052253]How come I'm not surprised at all.... [editline]26th February 2014[/editline] [b][i]Fun fact[/i][/b] : The government raised taxes on fuel SO MUCH, That they actually get LESS TAXES because people now buy everything just over the border in Germany. [img]http://i.imgur.com/LUCadIN.png[/img][/QUOTE] You know that shit's bad when you have to drop off at your local country to grab some gas..

Wait, the article states that they need to have an officer of Justice (whatever that is in the Netherlands, I'l going to assume it's like the procureur in Belgium?) with them and that it is only allowed when "necessary and proportional". It makes me think that this law is purely to bring the Netherlands in line with the rest of Europe, where you can enter a person's house without permission if you have a search warrant (or in this case, the judge himself is present) and the owner can't just say "lolno" and that's that?

[QUOTE=MyAlt91;44052318]Belgium for me, but same story. [b][i]Fun Fact 2[/i][/b]: We currently pay more for our gas then the government sells our gas to other countries.[/QUOTE] Sounds grim. Is that because of tax? Kind of understandable, if you went to that country you still wouldn't be able to buy gas for that cheap since they would tax it as well.

[QUOTE=Bradyns;44052377]You know that shit's bad when you have to drop off at your local country to grab some gas..[/QUOTE] I wonder how much they pay their gas, and how much it in USD.

Coming soon to a US near us? Seriously though, that sucks. Blatant invasion of privacy.

Oh wow we're going 70 years back in time. Dirty NSBer Teeven!

"Best cabinet since World War 2"

[QUOTE=Teddybeer;44053078]The elections sure were fun, people were so busy voting for a party that could be the biggest so that the likes of VVD and PVV wouldn't make it that they sort of forgot that a coalition needed to be formed. Now we have a odd combo of center-left ([URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Labour_Party_(Netherlands)"]VVD[/URL]) with center-right ([URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/People%27s_Party_for_Freedom_and_Democracy"]PVdA[/URL]) desperately trying to stay afloat and are compromising their elections promises into nothingness. Their a bit unpopular to say the least.[/QUOTE] "hurr hurr if you don't vote your vote gets added to the largest party automatically, so let's vote on the other guys since I don't know what the fuck my own opinions are I just don't want the largest party to get my vote". Such bullshit, it's like people don't know how to internet beside going on facebook and posting this stupid false shit, instead of just looking it up and immediately know it's horseshit. [editline]26th February 2014[/editline] I would like to point out that what's said in the OP isn't actually what the law entails. Police officers are already allowed to enter a home if they have probable cause (suspicion of being an illegal immigrant is apparently probable cause, due to a high chance of evidence such as passports being destroyed if you wait too long or something), what this law does is extend that in the case of immigration officers. They will also be allowed to search in drawers, computers and read documents to determine the origin of the immigrants. They however are not allowed to break open walls and the like, they are not allowed to strip the house in search of documents. The old situation is similar to this: [quote] [url]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Search_and_seizure[/url] Courts have also established an "exigent circumstances" exception to the warrant requirement. "Exigent circumstances" simply means that the officers must act quickly. Typically, this is because police have a reasonable belief that evidence is in imminent danger of being removed or destroyed, but there is still a probable cause requirement. Exigent circumstances may also exist where there is a continuing danger, or where officers have a reasonable belief that people in need of assistance are present. This includes when the police are in 'hot pursuit of a fleeing felon.' In this circumstance, so long as there is probable cause, police may follow the suspect into a residence and seize any evidence in plain view. [/quote] And with the new law, police are allowed to seize evidence not plain sight as well, such as in drawers or under beds and the like.

Lets take a moment to thank our tacticool voters

It's about time we get these old dumbasses out of this system and replace them with people capable of thinking about long-term events.

[QUOTE=Teddybeer;44053259]One day we will vote for a government that will make it to the end.[/QUOTE] We can vote all we want, The majority however will vote for a government that fucks them from all sides and milks them like cows.

Sensationalist as fuck. Reading the article, it seems they just grant more power to immigration officers to avoid situations where illegal immigrants try to stall for time, so they can disappear before the police returns with a court order.

[QUOTE=Clavus;44053583]Sensationalist as fuck. Reading the article, it seems they just grant more power to immigration officers to avoid situations where illegal immigrants try to stall for time, so they can disappear before the police returns with a court order.[/QUOTE] How? It does in fact grant them more and more power. Yes sure they say it's only to track down illegals, but who will make sure that's actually the case? Who is there to make sure they don't throw that excuse around at every chance they get? That's right nobody. That's why there needs to be a limit to how much power they have.

[QUOTE=Strontboer;44052253]How come I'm not surprised at all.... [editline]26th February 2014[/editline] [b][i]Fun fact[/i][/b] : The government raised taxes on fuel SO MUCH, That they actually get LESS TAXES because people now buy everything just over the border in Germany. [img]http://i.imgur.com/LUCadIN.png[/img][/QUOTE] Same thing in Finland except it's insanely insane alcohol taxes so people buy the stuff from Estonia.

[QUOTE=Sodisna;44052458]Coming soon to a US near us? Seriously though, that sucks. Blatant invasion of privacy.[/QUOTE] Its already in the US.. only its much more strict.

I can't wait until these clowns get kicked out of the house of representatives.

[QUOTE=Strontboer;44053812]How? It does in fact grant them more and more power. Yes sure they say it's only to track down illegals, but who will make sure that's actually the case? Who is there to make sure they don't throw that excuse around at every chance they get? That's right nobody. That's why there needs to be a limit to how much power they have.[/QUOTE] You're talking like we don't have a healthy justice system, an abundancy of civil rights organizations, and a commonly respected police force. If this law is considered unjust by experts, you can bet your ass that it'll be challenged.

[QUOTE=Clavus;44054489]You're talking like we don't have a healthy justice system, an abundancy of civil rights organizations, and a commonly respected police force. If this law is considered unjust by experts, you can bet your ass that it'll be challenged.[/QUOTE] Yeah your right we do but.... "If this law is considered unjust by experts, you can bet your ass that it'll be challenged." I don't really have any faith in that, Were were the economical experts when they raised the fuel prices, or bought the F35 flying fyra or when they cut money on elderly care (AGAIN) (geez even a teenager could figure out that if you raise fuel prices from "absurd" to "fucking ridicules" people will resort to other methods of acquiring it. [editline]26th February 2014[/editline] Maybe in their little view and world, it seems like they are doing the right thing. But it seems like they're just too far from the world the normal people live in.

[QUOTE=Strontboer;44054572]Yeah your right we do but.... "If this law is considered unjust by experts, you can bet your ass that it'll be challenged." I don't really have any faith in that, Were were the economical experts when they raised the fuel prices, or bought the F35 flying fyra or when they cut money on elderly care (AGAIN) (geez even a teenager could figure out that if you raise fuel prices from "absurd" to "fucking ridicules" people will resort to other methods of acquiring it. [editline]26th February 2014[/editline] Maybe in their little view and world, it seems like they are doing the right thing. But it seems like they're just too far from the world the normal people live in.[/QUOTE] Or maybe consider the fact that your own world view needs adjusting. It's easy to complain about their mistakes. As a whole our government is amongst the best you can have, ignoring whatever party is in power at the moment. So stop being so dramatic. Plus your fuel price example only really counts for people living near the border, so it has far less of an impact than you claim it has.

So what? We should just lay low and wait till they fuck up really really bad before we criticize them? And besides, it's been said that it mostly effects people within 50km of the border. If you ask me in a small country like ours that's a pretty big fucking area.

Also, you're fucked if you live in Limburg.

[QUOTE=Paul McCartney;44055340]Also, you're fucked if you live in Limburg.[/QUOTE] How come?