Former Ohio mayor allegedly admits raping 4-year-old and argues it was 'her fault'
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[QUOTE]The mayor of an Ohio town between 2010 and 2011 has been indicted with eight counts of rape and 12 charges of attempted rape and gross sexual imposition.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE]He pleaded not guilty last month, but prosecutors said he had admitted the assault to his wife, a pastor, a social worker and his brother and sister-in-law, as reported by the [URL="http://www.vindy.com/news/2016/sep/13/prosecutor-ex-mayor-of-hubbard-admitted-/"][I]Youngstown Vindicator.[/I][/URL][/QUOTE]
[url]http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/child-rape-richard-keenan-hubbard-mayor-ohio-not-guilty-charges-a7288946.html[/url]
Is it me or does it appear that those who blame others for their bad behavior tend to be the worst of people?
That 4 year old totally jumped on his dick, completely out of the blue.
Fuck that scum, he should take his punishment like a man, not like a little bitch.
Life sentence with no parole.
[quote]He told a social worker that he had started assaulting the child in September 2013 but that she had "initiated" the abuse, calling her a “willing participant”.[/quote]
Somebody get a faucet and stick it in my ear, you'll able to drain some pure, unfiltered disgust with a healthy dose of sheer repulsion blended in.
Every word I can think of right now to describe this guy feels inadequate, fucking Christ.
He better hope he has enough money to protect him in prison
Jeez he had enough money to make $75,000 bail; he doesn't deserve to have any freedom after this shit. But I guess he knows he's screwed.
Find me a good reason not to just try him, find him guilty, and then just put a cap in the back of his head.
Please, please try to justify allowing this person to continue living.
This man has admitted to raping a child and then blames the child for it. No amount of ~mental health care~ can save this waste of space.
[QUOTE=Zillamaster55;51050016]Find me a good reason not to just try him, find him guilty, and then just put a cap in the back of his head.
Please, please try to justify allowing this person to continue living.
This man has admitted to raping a child and then blames the child for it. No amount of ~mental health care~ can save this waste of space.[/QUOTE]
Well there's the whole sanctity of human life thing, but that probably won't convince you. Concerns about permitting the state to take life, maybe? Perhaps the old argument that killing someone isn't justice, it's revenge? I mean I don't care what happens to him, but don't dress it up as something noble and just.
[QUOTE=Dr. Ethan Asia;51050051]Well there's the whole sanctity of human life thing, but that probably won't convince you. Concerns about permitting the state to take life, maybe? Perhaps the old argument that killing someone isn't justice, it's revenge? I mean I don't care what happens to him, but don't dress it up as something noble and just.[/QUOTE]
It's not revenge, it's getting rid of something that would use tax dollars to eat, breathe, clean itself and shit, and have the luxuries of having 3 hots and a cot despite being less than human. There are innocent children on the streets who get less than he does.
"Sanctity" my ass. A .223 round to the back of the head costs 25 cents.
Not to mention this man was a governmental figure. Hold that office? Get harsher punishments.
[QUOTE=Zillamaster55;51050063]It's not revenge, it's getting rid of something that would use tax dollars to eat, breathe, clean itself and shit, and have the luxuries of having 3 hots and a cot despite being less than human. There are innocent children on the streets who get less than he does.
"Sanctity" my ass. A .223 round to the back of the head costs 25 cents.
Not to mention this man was a governmental figure. Hold that office? Get harsher punishments.[/QUOTE]
Capital punishment costs more than life sentences.
[QUOTE=Zillamaster55;51050016]This man has admitted to raping a child and then blames the child for it. No amount of ~mental health care~ can save this waste of space.[/QUOTE]
If you think people have the capacity to change their behavior in the slightest and should be afforded the opportunity then it's contrary to your principles to just kill the most deplorable ones. I also find it very ironic that someone who is transgender is mocking the concept of mental health care - 50 years ago you would have been locked away until you could kill off the part of yourself that would make you abnormal in the eyes of society and yet medicine has developed and come to recognize that being transgender is not a sickness in itself. If mental healthcare can continually develop and improve itself than why throw away today what can be repaired tomorrow? He clearly needs fixing and it's unfair to call it a done deal without at least trying.
[QUOTE=_Axel;51050114]Capital punishment costs more than life sentences.[/QUOTE]
If the man goes to jail he may as well be sentenced to death. If any other inmates find out what he did he wouldn't last a week. Criminals may still be criminals but even they have a sense of justice when children are involved in crimes.
[QUOTE=Psychopath12;51050135]If the man goes to jail he may as well be sentenced to death. If any other inmates find out what he did he wouldn't last a week. Criminals may still be criminals but even they have a sense of justice when children are involved in crimes.[/QUOTE]
IIRC sex offenders are put in a separate part of the prison, though.
[QUOTE=snapshot32;51050121]If you think people have the capacity to change their behavior in the slightest and should be afforded the opportunity then it's contrary to your principles to just kill the most deplorable ones. I also find it very ironic that someone who is transgender is mocking the concept of mental health care - 50 years ago you would have been locked away until you could kill off the part of yourself that would make you abnormal in the eyes of society and yet medicine has developed and come to recognize that being transgender is not a sickness in itself. If mental healthcare can continually develop and improve itself than why throw away today what can be repaired tomorrow? He clearly needs fixing and it's unfair to call it a done deal without at least trying.[/QUOTE]
Nice attempt at the personal stab but there's a difference between a minority whose recognition has changed over the years and a child rapist
[QUOTE=Zillamaster55;51050157]Nice attempt at the personal stab but there's a difference between a minority whose recognition has changed over the years and a child rapist[/QUOTE]
You aren't grasping my point so I'll simplify it. Mental health is capable of evolving so why completely write off the possibility that someone can be helped in the future? Why do they have to be killed outright?
[QUOTE=Zillamaster55;51050063]It's not revenge, it's getting rid of something that would use tax dollars to eat, breathe, clean itself and shit, and have the luxuries of having 3 hots and a cot despite being less than human. There are innocent children on the streets who get less than he does.
"Sanctity" my ass. A .223 round to the back of the head costs 25 cents.
Not to mention this man was a governmental figure. Hold that office? Get harsher punishments.[/QUOTE]
Why do you think he deserves an easy way out?
[QUOTE=SGTNAPALM;51050267]Why do you think he deserves an easy way out?[/QUOTE]
I love me some deserving capital punishment, but I agree.
Leave this guy in a general population section of a prison for his duration of his sentence, with something indicating to the other prisoners what he's done. It'll sort itself out.
Killing the dude just serves to make your justice boners harder, it does nothing to help anyone.
[QUOTE=geel9;51050319]Killing the dude just serves to make your justice boners harder, it does nothing to help anyone.[/QUOTE]
This is sorta what I meant. I know it sounds crazy to say a guy "deserves" capital punishment. But for the people who do support capital punishment, I've found that this is the most effective way to get them to not be for it. Everyone who supports it does it on the basis that death is the best way to attain vengeance. So simply argue that keeping him alive is worse than dying and they will suffer more and then people will usually no longer support capital punishmen because people who tend to support capital punishment tend to be very cruel people. It's a very pragmatic argument.
People are comfortable with killing other people because it's easier to say they're "subhuman" and "deserve death" than it is to accept the fact that [b]any human[/b] is capable of committing [b]any number of atrocities[/b], and it makes them no less human.
[QUOTE=geel9;51050405][b]any human[/b] is capable of committing [b]any number of atrocities[/b], and it makes them no less human.[/QUOTE]
What are you even talking about? Any human is capable of raping a 4 year old child?
[QUOTE=Zillamaster55;51050016]Find me a good reason not to just try him, find him guilty, and then just put a cap in the back of his head.
Please, please try to justify allowing this person to continue living.
This man has admitted to raping a child and then blames the child for it. No amount of ~mental health care~ can save this waste of space.[/QUOTE]
I will not defend this guy in particular, since the evidence is pretty clear and so on.
the problem with the death penalty is that for every case like this, there are cases where things may not be so clear cut and obvious. in some states, lesser crimes that are committed by people who are not "scum of the earth" may also be punished with death. in other instances, people have been put to death just to later have shown to have done no wrong (its less common these days but it still happens).
yeah, I get this guy is awful and all, but by keeping the death penalty, there will always be the possibility that other people will receive it despite not deserving it
[QUOTE=Laserbeams;51050431]What are you even talking about? Any human is capable of raping a 4 year old child?[/QUOTE]
Yeah? Any human can physically do that. Most humans don't [b]want[/b] to do that, but all it takes is perhaps the wrong combination of drugs, the wrong mental state, severe sleep deprivation, suffering a psychotic snap... and you're raping a 4 year old, or murdering your family, or setting fire to your neighbor's house.
Humanity is defined by the horrible shit we do just as much as it is by the good. You can't just remove the status of humanity from someone because they did something you don't like.
You need to accept that you're trying to kill humans; not subhumans, not "garbage", humans.
[QUOTE=geel9;51050405]People are comfortable with killing other people because it's easier to say they're "subhuman" and "deserve death" than it is to accept the fact that [b]any human[/b] is capable of committing [b]any number of atrocities[/b], and it makes them no less human.[/QUOTE]
what if you accept they are human and that any human is capable of committing atrocities and still think that sometimes they deserve death.
[QUOTE=geel9;51050449]Yeah? Any human can physically do that. Most humans don't [b]want[/b] to do that, but all it takes is perhaps the wrong combination of drugs, the wrong mental state, severe sleep deprivation, suffering a psychotic snap... and you're raping a 4 year old, or murdering your family, or setting fire to your neighbor's house. [/quote]
That really sounds like you're projecting. Notify your nearest police department ASAP, please.
I really can't imagine any combination of drugs/sleep deprivation/whatever after which I would rape any person, let alone a toddler.
[QUOTE=geel9;51050449]Humanity is defined by the horrible shit we do just as much as it is by the good. You can't just remove the status of humanity from someone because they did something you don't like.
You need to accept that you're trying to kill humans; not subhumans, not "garbage", humans.[/QUOTE]
Sure. I accept it, death penalty is killing humans
if i ever rape a 4 year old you have my full consent to stick a double barrel in my mouth and blow off my skullcap
[QUOTE=Laserbeams;51050507]That really sounds like you're projecting. Notify your nearest police department ASAP, please.
I really can't imagine any combination of drugs/sleep deprivation/whatever after which I would rape any person, let alone a toddler.
Sure. I accept it, death penalty is killing humans[/QUOTE]
People have done worse for less. You're deluding yourself if you think you're completely incapable of committing an atrocity.
Beyond that, there's no point in killing these people. All it does is serve to satisfy your own revenge bloodlust. It doesn't help anyone or fix anything; it just serves to assert that you have the right to decide who lives and who dies.
[QUOTE=geel9;51050543]People have done worse for less. You're deluding yourself if you think you're completely incapable of committing an atrocity.
Beyond that, there's no point in killing these people. All it does is serve to satisfy your own revenge bloodlust. It doesn't help anyone or fix anything; it just serves to assert that you have the right to decide who lives and who dies.[/QUOTE]
I don't even have revenge bloodlust. I'm not advocating death penalty, and never will. Your argumentation is really fucking stupid, though. I would never rape a child, and if I ever do, I hope someone does kill me. You can write it off as euthanasia, because I wouldn't be able to live with myself.
[QUOTE=Laserbeams;51050583]I don't even have revenge bloodlust. I'm not advocating death penalty, and never will. Your argumentation is really fucking stupid, though. I would never rape a child, and if I ever do, I hope someone does kill me. You can write it off as euthanasia, because I wouldn't be able to live with myself.[/QUOTE]
By all means, kill yourself if you commit an atrocity, should you want to. That's totally cool with me.
But you have hands, arms, and legs (I assume), and you're stronger than a 4 year old girl (I assume). Physically, that's all that's required for you to commit a horrible act. All that's left is for your mind to give, which happens [b]all the time.[/b]
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