Iran Launches a Website Claiming the Holocaust Was a Lie
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[release][B][U]Iran launches cartoon website aimed at questioning the Holocaust[/U][/B]
[B]The website wants to show that "the killing of 6 million Jews in the Second World War known as the Holocaust was a sheer lie."[/B]
Iran has launched a website with cartoons on the Holocaust aimed at undermining the historic dimensions of the mass murder of Jews during World War II, Fars news agency reported Thursday.
A cartoon from an Iranian website aimed at questioning the Holocaust
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The site is financed by a non-governmental cultural foundation and mainly based on a cartoon book on the Holocaust published in 2008, which contained satirical cartoons and texts aimed at questioning the Holocaust.
The website, which opens to the Pink Panther theme song by Henry Mancini, reportedly wants to continue challenging the issue and show that "the killing of 6 million Jews in the Second World War known as the Holocaust was a sheer lie."
A new Iranian website uses cartoons to question the Holocaust
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"The site is dedicated to all those who have been killed under the pretext of the Holocaust," Fars reported, referring to Palestinians who, according to Iran, were killed under the Holocaust pretext.
Since the 1979 Islamic revolution, Iran has not acknowledged Israel as a sovereign state and even refrained from using the name Israel, instead referring to the Jewish state as the "Zionist regime."
The tensions reached a peak in 2005 when Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad started his anti-Israel tirades, calling the Holocaust a "fairy tale."
Iran hosted a Holocaust conference in Tehran in December 2006 which was attended by prominent anti-Semitic and neo-Nazi figures.
Ahmadinejad and other Iranian officials argue that while publishing insulting cartoons of the Muslim prophet Muhammad and humiliating the sentiments of over one billion Muslims is considered by the West as press freedom, an investigation of a historic event is considered a crime.
Ahmadinejad also has said that even if the Nazi mass murder was true, those responsible for the crime should be punished, but that Israel should not be allowed to use it a pretext for committing another Holocaust against Palestinians.[/release]
Here's the website: [url]http://holocartoons.com/main/index.php[/url].
I think it's just sick. The cartoons there suggest that the Holocaust never happened and that the Jews simply staged it all.
They wrote a so-called "interview" where an Iranian ask someone from the West questions about the holocaust, such as "How did the gasses enter the the gas chambers if there weren't any holes in the ceiling?" and then the alleged answer is "how dare you ask this you neo-nazi antisemite!".
Whenever there's a picture of the Nazis, they also have the Jewish symbol on them, here's Hitler according to them, for example: [IMG]http://a.imageshack.us/img683/4328/iranianhitler.jpg[/IMG]
I have no problem if they don't believe that 6 million Jews have been killed, but a smaller number, because there's only proof of 3.5 million so far. I don't have any problem if they want to conduct an investigation so they can learn more about it, really, I'd love for us to know more.
But to claim that it was all fabricated, that the Jews staged it so they can steal Palestine, and to act as if no one has conducted any research and that everyone just believes the Jews, without any proof of anything, is just outright bullshit.
Ha. Dumbasses.
My ancestors got cooked alive, fuck you Iran.
Can't people under stand that the Holocaust is indeed did happen? For god sakes if there is 1 living person from that time, show the freaking tattoo it's enough proof as possible.
The photos/the storys/the deaths are all true, all on flim and picture and there has been stories from soldiers about it.
That explains all the old Nazi death camps that still exist in Germany and Poland.
Oh you Iran
wheres that ohwow picture when you need it.
It's hard for me to imagine that people are capable of such atrocities. I [i]want[/i] it to be all lies. Sadly, it's not the case.. :(
"The site is financed by a non-governmental cultural foundation" Iranians launched it not Iran.
Never understood this whole , holocaust is a lie thing.
are they saying that World war 2 never happened? Or they only say that it was not because of the jews?
Then what about the crystal night? Seriously who thinks that it did not happen?
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Seriously, what the fuck? Are they serious?
[QUOTE=Lachz0r;23845322]"The site is financed by a non-governmental cultural foundation" Iranians launched it not Iran.[/QUOTE]
Well it's not a few people either, it's a cultural foundation. They must have some influence in Iran. The comics in the website are taken from a book, I bet they're selling this book and promoting the website all over the country.
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[QUOTE=ZuXer;23845335]Never understood this whole , holocaust is a lie thing.
are they saying that World war 2 never happened? Or they only say that it was not because of the jews?
Then what about the crystal night? Seriously who thinks that it did not happen?[/QUOTE]
They claim that it was all staged by the Jews for money and so that they can claim Palestine as their own.
So because some people from Iran decided to make a website about the holocaust, you judge the whole country because of it? You make it sound like it's a government supported website.
[QUOTE]Ahmadinejad also has said that even if the Nazi mass murder was true, those responsible for the crime should be punished, but that Israel should not be allowed to use it a pretext for committing another Holocaust against Palestinians. [/QUOTE]
What's wrong with him saying this? Israel really shouldn't be allowed use the holocaust as a reason to murder and torture innocent civilians.
It's some independent Iranian group that created this website aimed to question the Holocaust.
Not Iran itself. You wouldn't say the U.S launches a website aimed at questioning the Holocaust if a few people did it.
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Now as for Iran itself, or Ahmednijad, he calls for further investigation on the Holocaust.
He said: "Can we close a book forever, done, on an important event in history"
He's also called it a fairy tale - see OP.
I never claimed it was the Iranian government, but according to the article it seems like the group has some influence on the country culturally.
[QUOTE=starpluck;23845398]Now as for Iran itself, or Ahmednijad, he calls for further investigation on the Holocaust.
He said: "Can we close a book forever, done, on an important event in history"[/QUOTE]
And Birthers just want further investigation into Obama's birthplace.
In this context, "further investigation" raises unnecesary doubts, gives you the opportunity to present biased findings as rare facts and makes you look like the rational one. Only problem being that anyone who does a bit of actual research into it can find answers and further investigation is just because you aren't happy with the answers you found.
[QUOTE=Dr_Funk;23845477]He's also called it a fairy tale - see OP.[/QUOTE]
Read this all.
[release]
"The German government condemned the repetitive offending anti-Israel statements by Ahmadinejad to be shocking. Such behaviour is not tolerable, Foreign Minister Frank-Walter Steinmeier stated. [...] Federal Chancellor Angela Merkel proclaimed Ahmadinejad's statements to be 'inconceivable'" (published by [URL="http://www.tagesschau.de/aktuell/meldungen/0,1185,OID5046484,00.html"] tagesschau.de[/URL] 2005-12-14.
But not only the German Foreign Minister Steinmeier and the Federal Chancellor Merkel allege this, but the Bild-Zeitung, tagesschau.de, parts of the peace movement, US-President George W. Bush, the 'Papers for German and international politics', CNN, the Heinrich-Böll-Foundation, almost the entire world does so, too: Iran's President Ahmadinejad denies the Holocaust.
What is this assertion based on? In substance it is based on dispatches of 2 days - 2005-12-14 and 2006-02-11.
"The Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad has stepped up his verbal attacks against Israel and the Western states and has denied the Holocaust. Instead of making Israel's attacks against Palestine a subject of discussion 'the Western states devote their energy to the fairy-tale of the massacre against the Jews', Ahmadinejad said on Wednesday in a speech at Zahedan in the south-east of Iran which was broadcasted directly by the news-channel Khabar. That day he stated that if the Western states really believe in the assassination of six million Jews in W.W. II they should put a piece of land in Europe, in the USA, Canada or Alaska at Israel's disposal." - dispatch of the German press agency [URL="http://www.stern.de/politik/ausland/:Iran-Die-Gefahr-Nahen-Osten/551450.html?eid=553073&s=2&nv=ex_rt"] DPA[/URL], 2005-12-14.
The German TV-station [URL="http://www.n24.de/politik/ausland/index.php/n2005121409162900002"] n24[/URL] spreads the following on 2006-12-14 using the title 'Iran's President calls the Holocaust a myth': "The Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad has stepped up his verbal attacks against Israel and called the Holocaust a 'myth' used as a pretext by the Europeans to found a Jewish state in the center of the Islamic world . 'In the name of the Holocaust they have created a myth and regard it to be worthier than God, religion and the prophets' the Iranian head of state said."
The Iranian press agency [URL="http://www.irna.ir/en/news/view/line-17/0512149877153313.htm"] IRNA[/URL] renders Ahmadinejad on 2005-12-14 as follows: "'If the Europeans are telling the truth in their claim that they have killed six million Jews in the Holocaust during the World War II - which seems they are right in their claim because they insist on it and arrest and imprison those who oppose it, why the Palestinian nation should pay for the crime. Why have they come to the very heart of the Islamic world and are committing crimes against the dear Palestine using their bombs, rockets, missiles and sanctions.' [...] 'If you have committed the crimes so give a piece of your land somewhere in Europe or America and Canada or Alaska to them to set up their own state there.' [...] Ahmadinejad said some have created a myth on holocaust and hold it even higher than the very belief in religion and prophets [...] The president further said, 'If your civilization consists of aggression, displacing the oppressed nations, suppressing justice-seeking voices and spreading injustice and poverty for the majority of people on the earth, then we say it out loud that we despise your hollow civilization.'"
There again we find the quotation already rendered by n24: [B] "In the name of the Holocaust they created a myth."[/B] We can see that this is completely different from what is published by e.g. the DPA - the massacre against the Jews is a fairy-tale. What Ahmadinejad does is not denying the Holocaust. No! It is dealing out criticism against the mendacity of the imperialistic powers who use the Holocaust to muzzle critical voices and to achieve advantages concerning the legitimization of a planned war. This is criticism against the exploitation of the Holocaust.
[URL="http://edition.cnn.com/2005/WORLD/meast/12/14/iran.israel/"] CNN[/URL] (2005-12-15) renders as follows: "If you have burned the Jews why don't you give a piece of Europe, the United States, Canada or Alaska to Israel. Our question is, if you have committed this [B]huge crime[/B], why should the innocent nation of Palestine pay for this crime?"
The Washingtonian ''[URL="http://www.memritv.org/Transcript.asp?P1=963"]Middle East Media Research Institute[/URL]' (MEMRI) renders Ahmadinejad's statements from 2005-12-14 as follows: "...we ask you: if you indeed committed this great crime, why should the oppressed people of Palestine be punished for it? * [...] If you committed a crime, you yourselves should pay for it. Our offer was and remains as follows: If you committed a crime, it is only appropriate that you place a piece of your land at their disposal - a piece of Europe, of America, of Canada, or of Alaska - so they can establish their own state. Rest assured that if you do so, the Iranian people will voice no objection."
The MEMRI-rendering uses the relieving translation 'great crime' and misappropriates the following sentence at the * marked passage: "Why have they come to the very heart of the Islamic world and are committing crimes against the dear Palestine using their bombs, rockets, missiles and sanctions." This sentence has obviously been left out deliberately because it would intimate why the Israeli state could have forfeited the right to establish itself in Palestine - videlicet because of its aggressive expansionist policy against the people of Palestine, ignoring any law of nations and disobeying all UN-resolutions.
In spite of the variability referring to the rendering of the statements of Iran's President we should nevertheless note down: the reproach of denying the Holocaust cannot be sustained if Ahmadinejad speaks of a great and huge crime that has been done to the Jews.
In another [URL="http://www.irna.ir/en/news/view/line-17/0512143109174339.htm"] IRNA-dispatch[/URL] (2005-12-14) the Arabian author Ghazi Abu Daqa writes about Ahmadinejad: "The Iranian president has nothing against the followers of Judaism [...] Ahmadinejad is against Zionism as well as its expansionist and occupying policy. That is why he managed to declare to the world with courage that there is no place for the Zionist regime in the world civilized community."
It's no wonder that such opinions do not go down particularly well with the ideas of the centers of power in the Western world. But for this reason they are not wrong right away. Dealing out criticism against the aggressive policy of the Western world, to which Israel belongs as well, is not yet anti-Semitism. We should at least to give audience to this kind of criticism - even if it is a problematic field for us.
2006-02-11 Ahmadinejad said according to [URL="http://www.irna.ir/en/news/view/line-17/0602115001164557.htm"] IRNA[/URL]: "[...] the real holocaust should be sought in Palestine, where the blood of the oppressed nation is shed every day and Iraq, where the defenceless Muslim people are killed daily. [...] 'Some western governments, in particular the US, approve of the sacrilege on the Prophet Mohammad (PBUH), while denial of the >Myth of Holocaust<, based on which the Zionists have been exerting pressure upon other countries for the past 60 years and kill the innocent Palestinians, is considered as a crime' [...]"
The assertion that Ahmadinejad denies the Holocaust thus is wrong in more than one aspect. He does not deny the Holocaust, but speaks of denial itself. And he does not speak of denial of the Holocaust, but of denial of the Myth of Holocaust. This is something totally different. All in all he speaks of the exploitation of the Holocaust. The Myth of Holocaust, like it is made a subject of discussion by Ahmadinejad, is a myth that has been built up in conjunction with the Holocaust to - as he says - put pressure onto somebody. We might follow this train of thoughts or we might not. But we cannot equalize his thoughts with denial of the Holocaust.
If Ahmadinejad according to this 2006-02-11 condemns the fact that it is forbidden and treated as a crime to do research into the Myth of Holocaust, as we find it quoted in the [URL="http://www.memritv.org/Transcript.asp?P1=1034"] MEMRI[/URL] translation, this acquires a meaning much different from the common and wide-spread one. If the myth related to the Holocaust is commuted to a 'Fairy Tale of the Massacre' - like the [URL="http://www.stern.de/politik/ausland/:Iran-Die-Gefahr-Nahen-Osten/551450.html?eid=553073&s=2&nv=ex_rt"] DPA[/URL] did - this can only be understood as a malicious misinterpretation.
By the use of misrepresentation and adulteration it apparently succeeded to constitute the statements of the Iranian President to be part and parcel of the currently fought propaganda battle. It is our responsibility to counter this.
Concluding:
A dispatch by Reuters confirms 2006-02-21: "The Iranian Foreign Minister Manuchehr Mottaki has [...] repudiated that his state would want the Jewish state Israel 'wiped off the map'. [...] Iran's President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad had been misunderstood. 'Nobody can erase a country from the map.' Ahmadinejad was not thinking of the state of Israel but of their regime [...]. 'We do not accredit this regime to be legitimate.' [...] Mottaki also accepted that the Holocaust really took place in a way that six million Jews were murdered during the era of National Socialism."
The next step is to connect the Iranian President with Hitler. 2006-02-20 the Chairman of the Counsil of Jews in France (Crif) says in Paris: "The Iranian President's assertions do not rank behind Hitler's 'Mein Kampf'". Paul Spiegel, President of the Central Counsil of Jews in Germany, 2005-12-10 in the 'Welt' qualifies the statements of Ahmadinejad to be "the worst comment on this subject that he has ever heard of a statesman since A. Hitler". At the White House the Iranian President is even named Hitler. And the German Federal Chancellor Angela Merkel as well moves over Iran's President towards Hitler and National Socialism by saying 2006-02-04 in Munich: "Already in the early 1930's many people said that it is only rhetoric. One could have prevented a lot in time if one had acted... Germany is in the debt to resist the incipiencies and to do anything to make clear where the limit of tolerance is. Iran remains in control of the situation, it is still in their hands."
All this indicates war. Slobodan Milosevic became Hitler. The result was the war of the Nato against Yugoslavia. Saddam Hussein became Hitler. What followed was the war the USA and their coalition of compliant partners waged against Iraq. Now the Iranian President becomes Hitler.
And someone who is Hitler-like can assure a hundred times that he only wants to use nuclear energy in a peaceful way. Nobody will believe him. Somebody like Hitler can act within the scope of all contracts. Acting contrary to contract will nevertheless be imputed to him. "Virtually none of the Western states recognize that uranium enrichment is absolutely legal. There is no restriction by contract or by the law of nations. Quite the contrary: Actually the Western countries would have the duty to assist Iran with these activities, according to the Non-Proliferation Treaty. As long as a state renounces the bomb it is eligible for technical support by the nuclear powers." (Jörg Pfuhl, ARD radio studio Istanbul 2006-01-11) But - all this does not count if the Head of a state is stigmatized as Hitler.[/release]
[QUOTE=starpluck;23845398]
Now as for Iran itself, or Ahmednijad, he calls for further investigation on the Holocaust.
He said: "Can we close a book forever, done, on an important event in history"[/QUOTE]
why does it need further investigation? there has been over 60 years of investigation, I'm pretty sure that there is conclusive proof that the holocaust happened? or perhaps you disagree?
I can sniff a .... DDOS ATTACK! It's bound to happen they're going to piss off the wrong people and get a nice DDOS attack smack there servers, there transit/provider isn't going to like that.
Now they are even less likable then before.
Yay for international hatred.
[QUOTE=toxicpiano;23845546]why does it need further investigation? there has been over 60 years of investigation, I'm pretty sure that there is conclusive proof that the holocaust happened? or perhaps you disagree?[/QUOTE]
Well not "investigation" I worded it wrong.
[quote]
Ahmadinejad, who plans to address the UN General Assembly tomorrow, said he did not deny the Holocaust occurred, but didn't see what was wrong with asking questions about it.
"I'm not saying that it didn't happen at all," he said. "[But] can you argue that researching a phenomenon is finished forever, done? Can we close the books foreever on a historical event?"
Read more: [URL]http://www.nydailynews.com/news/2007/09/24/2007-09-24_irans_president_i_dont_deny_holocaust-3.html#ixzz0vjfU8vHs[/URL][/quote]
There is nothing wrong with that.
"Iran launches a..."
moused over, glad it wasn't a nuke.
Are you fucking kidding me.
I guess I will read about that in tomorrow's newspapers, because I live in Poland, the main area of the Holocaust.
Good god, the [I]ignorance[/I]
Are we being trolled by iran?
That explains why 6 million jews just vanished off the face of the planet, obviously its all a jewish lie!
Honestly its like denying Hiroshima was nuked, when it blatently was.
[QUOTE=starpluck;23845576]There is nothing wrong with that.[/QUOTE]
This is not research, it is an agenda masquerading as good intentions. It is no more an investigation than Intelligent design is.
[QUOTE=Devodiere;23845694]This is not research, it is an agenda masquerading as good intentions. It is no more an investigation than Intelligent design is.[/QUOTE]
Who cares, maybe he's special and wants more information about the Holocaust rather then closing it forever.
[QUOTE=K800darker;23845556]I can sniff a .... DDOS ATTACK! It's bound to happen they're going to piss off the wrong people and get a nice DDOS attack smack there servers, there transit/provider isn't going to like that.[/QUOTE]
Their.
[QUOTE=starpluck;23845756]Who cares, maybe he's special and wants more information about the Holocaust rather then closing it forever.[/QUOTE]
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Are you seriously that naive?
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