[quote]In November, a Brown County church that recognizes same-sex marriage was vandalized with hate-filled graffiti, including an anti-gay slur, a swastika and the words "Heil Trump."
The incident, which happened right after President Donald Trump was elected, generated media attention, and fear in the community and at St. David's Episcopal Church in Bean Blossom.
But in a twist, the motive of the graffiti was not as it appeared.
Brown County Prosecutor Ted Adams on Wednesday filed a misdemeanor charge of criminal mischief against George Nathaniel "Nathan" Stang, 26, of Bloomington, accusing him of vandalizing the church.
Stang though, is a gay man himself, he told IndyStar. He said he did not vandalize the church out of hate, but rather, out of a misguided attempt to spur people to action after the election left him afraid for his future.
"Over the course of that week, I was fearful, scared and alone, too, in my fear," Stang told IndyStar. "I guess one of the driving factors behind me committing the act was that I wanted other people to be scared with me."
In an interview with detectives, court documents say, Stang said he spray-painted the church because he felt alone after the election.
"To be clear, my actions were not motivated by hate for the church or its congregation," Stang wrote in a statement for police. "I suppose I wanted to give local people a reason to fight for good even if it was a false flag. I of course realize now that this was NOT the way to go about inspiring activism."[/quote]
[url]http://www.indystar.com/story/news/crime/2017/05/03/why-heil-trump-spray-painted-church/101240824/[/url]
[url]http://www.theindychannel.com/news/crime/pc-church-organist-who-reported-vandalism-was-actually-the-one-who-did-it[/url]
[url]http://www.foxnews.com/us/2017/05/03/indiana-church-organist-arrested-in-post-election-vandalism-report-says.html[/url]
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We get it you dislike the left. Two of your sources are local news. The number of 'false flags' is statistically irrelevant
Nothing like Thudd using Sensational Headlines to push his agenda every day. "False flags" compared actual attacks makes this insignificant.
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[QUOTE=The Rifleman;52183805]Nothing like Thudd using Sensational Headlines to push his agenda every day. "False flags" compared actual attacks makes this insignificant.[/QUOTE]
Most of them never get verified.
[QUOTE=Tudd;52183850]Most of them never get verified.[/QUOTE]
Because they don't happen on the fucking scale you and your conspiracy friends think it does. "This doesn't fit my agenda must be false flag".
[QUOTE=The Rifleman;52183854]Because they don't happen on the fucking scale you and your conspiracy friends think it does. "This doesn't fit my agenda must be false flag".[/QUOTE]
I actually don't think that way.
Personally, I take it as a notice, but am very cautious until evidence or verifiable proof can be shown for who did it.
I don't deny hate crimes, I just recognize there are people who are trying to benefit/sway people for ideological reasons in a highly politicized environment.
[QUOTE=Tudd;52183863]
I don't deny hate crimes don't happen,[/QUOTE]
I want you to run this sentence through your head a few times Tudd and try to figure out why this statement is bad.
[QUOTE=Kyle902;52183732]We get it you dislike the left. Two of your sources are local news. The number of 'false flags' is statistically irrelevant[/QUOTE]
Is local news not tangible for a local story? Or does news have to come from the national level for some reason now?
[url]http://www.heraldtimesonline.com/news/church-organist-charged-in-brown-county-church-vandalism/article_30e0a6c0-300f-11e7-a430-53b20118b200.html[/url]
[url]http://wishtv.com/2017/05/03/church-organist-charged-after-post-election-vandalization-to-church/[/url]
[url]http://www.wbiw.com/local/archive/2017/05/organist-at-brown-county-church-arrested-for-vandalizing-st-davids-episcopal-church.php[/url]
[editline]3rd May 2017[/editline]
[QUOTE=Kyle902;52183868]I want you to run this sentence through your head a few times Tudd and try to figure out why this statement is bad.[/QUOTE]
Woops, triple negatives are never good.
[QUOTE=Tudd;52183869]Is local news not tangible for a local story? Or does news have to come from the national level for some reason now?
[url]http://www.heraldtimesonline.com/news/church-organist-charged-in-brown-county-church-vandalism/article_30e0a6c0-300f-11e7-a430-53b20118b200.html[/url]
[url]http://wishtv.com/2017/05/03/church-organist-charged-after-post-election-vandalization-to-church/[/url]
[url]http://www.wbiw.com/local/archive/2017/05/organist-at-brown-county-church-arrested-for-vandalizing-st-davids-episcopal-church.php[/url][/QUOTE]
The fact thats its local news indicates you were specifically looking for news of this type because I very much so doubt you regularly visit those websites.
[QUOTE=Kyle902;52183877]The fact thats its local news indicates you were specifically looking for news of this type because I very much so doubt you regularly visit those websites.[/QUOTE]
Or it popped up on another site I use?
I don't sit on google all day like you imagine.
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[QUOTE=Tudd;52183880]Or it popped up on another site I use?
I don't sit on google all day like you imagine.[/QUOTE]
/pol/?
Anyway, this is polidicks fodder. "False flags exist" is hardly news.
I thought SH couldn't get any worse but now it's just mostly Tudd pushing his shit whenever he can. Like I get we don't ban for dissenting opinions but you just do this all day every day.
Have the mods turned this sub- forum into a quarantine?
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I don't think most people realize the amount of false-flags that has happened before-hand, I don't really care if Tudd is promoting an agenda or not with what he posts, but my concern is that this shit happened before on a larger scale, very similar shit, in fact:
Such similiar example: the Mississipi black church ([url]http://edition.cnn.com/2016/11/02/us/mississippi-black-church-vandalized-vote-trump/[/url]) The case where a certain member of the congregation burned his own church down and spray painted "vote trump' on the walls. Before the individual was arrested a large sum of Trump supporters along with Hillary supporters gathered around $200,000 ([url]http://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-election-mississippi-idUSKBN12Y2W0[/url]) before finding out the fire was caused by one of the church members himself.
[QUOTE=SenhorCreeper;52183968]I don't think most people realize the amount of false-flags that has happened before-hand, I don't really care if Tudd is promoting an agenda or not with what he posts, but my concern is that this shit happened before on a larger scale, very similar shit, in fact:
Such similiar example: the Mississipi black church ([url]http://edition.cnn.com/2016/11/02/us/mississippi-black-church-vandalized-vote-trump/[/url]) The case where a certain member of the congregation burned his own church down and spray painted "vote trump' on the walls. Before the individual was arrested a large sum of Trump supporters along with Hillary supporters gathered around $200,000 ([url]http://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-election-mississippi-idUSKBN12Y2W0[/url]) before finding out the fire was caused by one of the church members himself.[/QUOTE]
I recall "false flags" happening occasionally for years, but I can't say that they were as common as they seem to be now.
Im not sure if the rate of "false flags" stayed the same and we are just reporting it more, or if the political climate actually got divisive enough that more radicals are doing it
The use of the term "false flags" makes whoever uses it seem like a conspiracy theorist even if the individual case that is cited turns out to be true. This is because "false flag" by popular definition implies that there is an intentional act by a shady secret cabal of conspirators to plant false evidence rather than an individual or a small group of stupid people lying about something in order to get attention, make their perceived 'enemies' look bad, or for their own amusement.
Consider that cases like this graffiti incident are considered to be false flag operations by political conspirators but other similar trolling activities like the [url=https://facepunch.com/showthread.php?t=1459433&page=2]creation of thousands[/url] [url=https://facepunch.com/showthread.php?t=1459433&p=47470162&viewfull=1#post47470162]of fake otherkin[/url] [url=https://facepunch.com/showthread.php?t=1459433&p=47471212&viewfull=1#post47471212]tumblr accounts[/url] or [url=https://facepunch.com/showthread.php?t=1556096]the repeated stealing of the "he will not divide us" flag[/url] is considered to be just a fun joke by the same people.
The cherry picked and rare cases where individuals act out of their own volition in a misguided attempt to make their perceived 'enemies' look bad are mixed with all of the trolling in order to create a false impression of a far reaching pattern of behavior.
There's probably a group of individuals out there who consider the flag stealing to be a similar act of evil political conspirators in the same way that people here consider cases like this graffiti incident to be an intentional false flag operation even if they are trolling instead, especially when in reality many of these cases are quite likely to just be a prank pulled by a group of trolls to get a reaction because they know that the two 'sides' are likely to overreact.
What we essentially have here are two opposing echo chambers of people who are equally scared of their perceived 'enemies' and whom both enable the other in their delusions by pretending to be each others imaginary boogeyman.
I suspect that there's a huge psychological benefit to being within one of these groups, just like there's a huge psychological benefit to being in an online echo chamber in general, not only do you get to feel like your every thought and action is justified and reassured because no matter what everyone agrees with you, but you also get an all-encompassing 'enemy' to fight that justifies any behavior or belief you hold because anything must be good if it hurts the big bad guys. Perhaps more importantly, it also allows the member to feel a degree of certainty in their beliefs, meaning they don't have to second-guess or question the things that make them uncomfortable, such as whether their life matters, whether they're morally a good or bad person, or whether the foundation of the things they've been taught to believe all their lives are actually founded on something.
[QUOTE=Tudd;5218386]Woops, triple negatives are never good.[/QUOTE]
Neither are Freudian slips for those making them :toot:
[QUOTE=Tudd;52183863]I actually don't think that way.[/quote]
[QUOTE=Tudd;52183850]Most of them never get verified.[/QUOTE]
"Most of them never get verified," meaning you think they happen at a larger scale than what is proven. Meaning, yes, you do think that way.
[quote]Personally, I take it as a notice, but am very cautious until evidence or verifiable proof can be shown for who did it.[/quote]
[QUOTE=Tudd;52183850]Most of them never get verified.[/QUOTE]
You're sure most of them are never verified, without any evidence for it.
[quote]I don't deny hate crimes, I just recognize there are people who are trying to benefit/sway people for ideological reasons in a highly politicized environment.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Tudd;52183850]Most of them never get verified.[/QUOTE]
This is denying hate crimes.
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