Riots in the city of Trappes (Yvelines) in France after an arrest of a veiled woman accompanied by her husband was controlled by the police. Hundreds of people have set up barricades, set fire to trash bins and vehicles. A construction site and a facade of a building were also destroyed by fire.
About two hundred policemen were mobilized as incidents had occurred overnight. In late night CRS reinforcements from Paris were expected on site.
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Yep all of that because of an arab women.
Thats pretty unjustified to be honnest.
No surprises here, things like this will keep happening because Islam is unfit for western society.
[QUOTE=Sword and Paint;41535963]No surprises here, things like this will keep happening because Islam is unfit for western society.[/QUOTE]
Yep. You shouldn't travel to the other side of the world and expect their culture to conform to your standards.
This isn't just because of an arab woman. I looked it up a little more. Apperently, the police arrested this woman because she was wearing a burka, which is (for some dumb reason) banned in public places.
Uhh, is it just me or is france going full retard. Why would you ban burka in public places? I can understand if the person in question is working because there would be issues, but wearing it outside in the park!?
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[QUOTE=Sword and Paint;41535963]No surprises here, things like this will keep happening because Islam is unfit for western society.[/QUOTE]
Why?
It's been banned there for a year. I see no problem with it since burka's fucking demean and dehumanize women.
Law is law, you're required to have your face visible in public places, she didn't and got a police control. This is a secular country, no exception for a specific religion.
[editline]21st July 2013[/editline]
[QUOTE=Sokrates;41536056]This isn't just because of an arab woman. I looked it up a little more. Apperently, the police arrested this woman because she was wearing a burka, which is (for some dumb reason) banned in public places.
Uhh, is it just me or is france going full retard. Why would you ban burka in public places? I can understand if the person in question is working because there would be issues, but wearing it outside in the park!?[/QUOTE]
Ugh not this debate again.
Long story short : security reasons, you need to be easily identified in public places (ofc places requiring face covers such as skying stations are not concerned).
Skorates, explain to me how forcing females of a specific culture to be covered up from head to toe, no exception, does not dehumanize them.
[QUOTE=bubbagamer;41536073]Law is law, you're required to have your face visible in public places, she didn't and got a police control. This is a secular country, no exception for a specific religion.
[editline]21st July 2013[/editline]
Ugh not this debate again.
Long story short : security reasons, you need to be easily identified in public places (ofc places requiring face covers such as skying stations are not concerned).[/QUOTE]
[editline]21st July 2013[/editline]
Burka isn't a religious thing, it's cultural.
You are maybe thinking about a hijab, which doesn't cover the face.
[QUOTE=Paul McCartney;41536087]Skorates, explain to me how forcing females of a specific culture to be covered up from head to toe, no exception, does not dehumanize them.[/QUOTE]
Why do people always assume that they are forced to wear these? Just because some people may be forced to wear a veil in countries that are strict with crazy laws, doesn't mean that everyone are forced to.
Also, i've never heard about the burka being a security risk? Could anyone link an article about crimes related to the burka and police not being able to identify the person because he/she was wearing a burqa?
Is it really the goverments problem to regulate how people WANT to dress, even if it's in a tent with a lookout window for the eyes?
It's a person fully covered up from head to toe.
If you can't see how that's suspicious, I don't know what to tell you.
No one's regulating how people dress, it's common sense that you shouldn't have your entire fucking face covered in public. It's about facial visibility and that's the simple fact of the law.
[QUOTE=Sokrates;41536090]Also, i've never heard about the burka being a security risk? Could anyone link an article about crimes related to the burka and police not being able to identify the person because he/she was wearing a burqa?[/QUOTE]
This is not about the burka, this is about face concealing in general. You can't just make an exception for the burka (which would ruin the point of the law and go against our secular republic principles) and the fact we had to push a redundant law to make sure it doesn't happen is beyond me.
There is a huge amount of people in France who are waiting for anything the police does to go slightly wrong and then use it as an excuse to burn shit up and riot.
This is not the first time it's happened, and it's been happening for stupider reasons.
Shit, I know this sounds melodramatic but facepunch is REALLY going down hill with the phobia is Muslim people and casual racism.
Let's all be clear on this one: The act of banning burkas isn't in the name of 'security'. It's an act of intolerance.
[QUOTE=bubbagamer;41536151]This is not about the burka, this is about face concealing in general. You can't just make an exception for the burka (which would ruin the point of the law and go against our secular republic principles) and the fact we had to push a redundant law to make sure it doesn't happen is beyond me.[/QUOTE]
I know the ban covers everything face hiding related. But the law itself was clearly directed towards the burqa and niqab. The goverment even says so themselves.
[QUOTE]"The full veil dissolves a person's identity in that of a community. It calls into question the French model of integration, founded on the acceptance of our society's values," said justice minister Michèle Alliot-Marie, presenting the law to the Senate. Living with one's face uncovered, she added, was "a question of dignity and equality".[/QUOTE]
Even former president Sarkozy says the same
[quote]I want to say solemnly, the burka is not welcome in France. In our country, we can't accept women prisoners behind a screen, cut off from all social life, deprived of all identity. That's not our idea of freedom."[/quote]
[editline]21st July 2013[/editline]
The ban has nothing to do with security. The burqa and niqab is banned because it (for some dumb reason) goes against "french" values.
[QUOTE=barttool;41536198]Let's all be clear on this one: The act of banning burkas isn't in the name of 'security'. It's an act of intolerance.[/QUOTE]
It's part of a law banning anything that conceals your face in public (including casually wearing motorcycle helmet and balaclavas around). Because the law was voted by a right wing party that was already trying to cater to the others, even more extreme right wing parties, their PR decided to turn it to be against the burka, to appeal to the national front and xenophobes alike, in the name of "women's rights".
The essence of the law, however, remains the same. Considering the amount of riots, crimes and fraud there that has been done before the law by people wearing makeshift balaclavas, I'm glad it's here. It was just very poorly justified by the government.
[QUOTE=Sokrates;41536205]I know the ban covers everything face hiding related. But the law itself was clearly directed towards the burqa and niqab. The goverment even says so themselves.
Even former president Sarkozy says the same
[editline]21st July 2013[/editline]
The ban has nothing to do with security. The burqa and niqab is banned because it (for some dumb reason) goes against "french" values.[/QUOTE]
Oh yeah, this I can't deny, my point was it was illegal before a law targetting it was passed anyway.
[QUOTE=Sokrates;41536205]The ban has nothing to do with security. The burqa and niqab is banned because it (for some dumb reason) goes against "french" values.[/QUOTE]
The whole "french values" thing was more of a PR stunt to masturbate the right wing xenophobic parties more than anything, in hope that indecisive people would turn towards UMP rather than FN for any following elections.
[QUOTE=Sword and Paint;41535963]No surprises here, things like this will keep happening because Islam is unfit for western society.[/QUOTE]
What do you consider "fit" for western society?
[QUOTE=KillerJaguar;41536302]What do you consider "fit" for western society?[/QUOTE]
euphorism and fedoras
Where's the Source?
Well you cant run masked around on the street. Its the rules we all gotta follow.
[QUOTE=Zambies!;41536183]Shit, I know this sounds melodramatic but facepunch is REALLY going down hill with the phobia is Muslim people and casual racism.[/QUOTE]
Nothing racist or xenophobic about it. It's a fucking facemask. You can't have people completely concealing themselves in public like that.
[editline]20th July 2013[/editline]
And there's a difference between xenophobia and being critical of other cultures because of how they treat women.
a burka isn't something we have to conform to. you wouldn't accept a religion that forces men to walk with their dicks out, so why would you say "oh but it's their religion" when their religion is p. much consistent with humiliating women
muslim is not a race, don't call people racist for hating on backwards ideologies
Personally I don't understand why France has a ban on Burka's. I mean if I want to go walking down the street wearing a bed sheet with eye slits screaming BOO! then I can so long as I'm not causing a public disturbance. A better example is a mime, or a clown, or a mascot or a Halloween costume. If all these things are perfectly fine then why is a Burka a safety issue? The other reason I have issue with this ban is because America doesn't have a ban on 'em so they can't be too dangerous... all that said the law is the law and you have to obey it, and if you don't like it then vote in an official that will change it, don't resort to riots.... (I only say the last bit because it seems that these riots, while about a woman being arrested, are about far bigger issues, among them the current ban on a piece of clothing concidered important to a religion. I mean we don't tell the Amish they have to use a car and we don't tell Baptists that they can't have choirs and be so rambunctious.)
[QUOTE=Sokrates;41536409]euphorism and fedoras[/QUOTE]
I was expecting gas masks and atheism
[QUOTE=Skullivan21;41537216]Personally I don't understand why France has a ban on Burka's. I mean if I want to go walking down the street wearing a bed sheet with eye slits screaming BOO! then I can so long as I'm not causing a public disturbance. A better example is a mime, or a clown, or a mascot or a Halloween costume. If all these things are perfectly fine then why is a Burka a safety issue? The other reason I have issue with this ban is because America doesn't have a ban on 'em so they can't be too dangerous... all that said the law is the law and you have to obey it, and if you don't like it then vote in an official that will change it, don't resort to riots.... (I only say the last bit because it seems that these riots, while about a woman being arrested, are about far bigger issues, among them the current ban on a piece of clothing concidered important to a religion. I mean we don't tell the Amish they have to use a car and we don't tell Baptists that they can't have choirs and be so rambunctious.)[/QUOTE]
Holy shit, I never saw it that way.
Wearing a haloween costume will make you end up in jail for a year + fine
If you wear it on any other day than Halloween.
Conform to standards shouldn't require we (the western world) having to ban their religious attire.
[QUOTE=Fatfatfatty;41543407]Conform to standards shouldn't require we (the western world) having to ban their religious attire.[/QUOTE]
There's a difference between standing up for religious or cultural heritage, and standing against that heritage in certain areas because it demeans and dehumanizes people.
It turns women into faceless objects and keeps them experiencing shame and humiliation on a daily basis when they're just trying to live their lives. Imagine being that person that's stared at and pointed out, every where you go. It's humiliating to the female and they don't deserve that kind of treatment for simply being born in a place with a culture that doesn't value them and hates them.
[QUOTE=Egevened;41536768]a burka isn't something we have to conform to. you wouldn't accept a religion that forces men to walk with their dicks out, so why would you say "oh but it's their religion" when their religion is p. much consistent with humiliating women
muslim is not a race, don't call people racist for hating on backwards ideologies[/QUOTE]
i would actually be perfectly fine with men walking around with their dicks out
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