The problem that every country is frustrated with. Immigration - General

Pretty sure every country or at least most countries are experiencing this problem. Mainly first world countries. Everyday, all I hear on the news is how much immigration is causing problems to jobs, housing, etc. I personally do not oppose immigration because its always good to have other people to contribute, and give them the opportunity to do something. Some of them go overseas to look for education, because their countries are not providing them with enough education, but most of them are migrating because of job opportunities. And most of them are poor, looking for a better life, for their family etc. I live in a country full of immigrants, hell, the ancestors are immigrants. I really dislike the amount of xenophobia that is circulating around this country, (I'm in Singapore btw) especially the hate for immigrants from China/Bangladesh. They are 90% working as construction workers, get shit pay, and people here complain about it. But that is just the small issue here. They go on pointing out how they are noisy on trains, and public transports. And for any crime or shit that happens to be some guy from China/Bangladesh, they blame them. Then there's also the complains about how they are stealing our education opportunities because they kept acing all the other students. There's also the dislike for white folks because everyone here says that they are stealing the white collar jobs, are rich, etc. But, strangely, at the same time, the people kind of love the white folks because of colonialism in the pass, where everyone looked up to them. Its a complicated issue anyway. But one issue I have is that some of them come here without mixing in with the communities, always among their own communities, because they feel safe. This annoys me especially when they are having shitloads of problems about what to buy and shit. They do not try to improve and understand the environment when they come over to a new place, and they blame the locals for being too impolite/harsh on them. Don't come flying to a country when you have no idea what its like living there, then proceed to complain.

Well, where i live, we have big emigration, so i think immigration is alright, it sometimes balances emigration.

The main problem with inmigration is not the fact that a slot is being taken in some specific job that some national can't take but rather that the money is not spent in the same countries and instead is siphoned out to the one they came from. Thus creating jobs not in the place they are working but in the place they came from. Also, once they return to their original country the money they made is worth a lot more than it did in the place they worked in so they can live the dream life they always wanted. A Win-Win situation for them and the contrary for the economy of the country that hosted them.

Immigration is good as long as the immigrants are from European countries to other European countries. But African immigrants, Middle Eastern immigrants and such? Nah.

[QUOTE=sonerin;36780317]Immigration is good as long as the immigrants are from European countries to other European countries. [B]But African immigrants, Middle Eastern immigrants and such? Nah.[/B][/QUOTE] Excuse me, but why?

[QUOTE=Mooe94;36780332]Excuse me, but why?[/QUOTE] Because African and Middle Eastern immigrants are usually coming from low-tier families and the majority of them are uneducated and poor so they end up wasting others' spaces and most of them become criminals.

[QUOTE=sonerin;36780357]Because African and Middle Eastern immigrants are usually coming from low-tier families and the majority of them are uneducated and poor so they end up wasting others' spaces and most of them become criminals.[/QUOTE] ... Anyway, I think immigration is great. A steady amount of new immigrants can greatly add to a nation, adding to culture, the workforce and society. However, if the government is not properly equipped to handle large amounts of foreign immigrants, such as providing education and language services to those who need it, along with making sure people with high-level educations are not forced into jobs at Burger King.

[QUOTE=DaysBefore;36780427]... Anyway, I think immigration is great. A steady amount of new immigrants can greatly add to a nation, adding to culture, the workforce and society. However, if the government is not properly equipped to handle large amounts of foreign immigrants, such as providing education and language services to those who need it, along with making sure people with high-level educations are not forced into jobs at Burger King.[/QUOTE] Yeah, I agree. Compton, Detroit, Kreuzberg and such cities are great examples to the results of immigration. +1 to you.

I find anti-immigration movements in Europe to be funny. Whether they base it on "saving our culture" or on a racial basis, it's ridiculous. I guess since my country is made up of almost 100% immigrants that I find racial or cultural purity to be ridiculous.

[QUOTE=sonerin;36780357]Because African and Middle Eastern immigrants are usually coming from low-tier families and the majority of them are uneducated and poor so they end up wasting others' spaces and most of them become criminals.[/QUOTE] Uh no, they do not.

[QUOTE=King Tiger;36780493]I find anti-immigration movements in Europe to be funny. Whether they base it on "saving our culture" or on a racial basis, it's ridiculous. I guess since my country is made up of almost 100% immigrants that I find racial or cultural purity to be ridiculous.[/QUOTE] Implying it isn't here. A notable portion of people that I know are opposed to immigration because they're simply racist towards Mexicans.

I've always found myself dumbstruck by people opposed to immigration. Much of Europe's elderly population is gripped in fear over the "islamization" of Europe, as if each and every muslim was out to kill you at a moments notice. To be fair, I find people lack the much, MUCH broader picture. People coming to these countries have problems. Several of them comes from areas with wars etc. They come to countries with hard languages to learn, and penalities to those who cannot speak the language very well. At the same time, they need jobs to feed themselves, they don't care for union laws, so they get lower paying jobs. Even if Europe was filled with Muslims and (islamized?), it's not like the end of the world. Religions, over thousands of years, decay and wither to the progress of science. I really don't understand the basis for this discussion. When has Immigration been a bad thing? If we weren't talking about africans or muslims, but instead put in the term "Jew", you would use a whole different set of words for that. But don't you see? It's the exact same thing.

[QUOTE=ThePinkPanzer;36780525]Uh no, they do not.[/QUOTE] Yes they do. [QUOTE=Beafman;36780555]Even if Europe was filled with Muslims and (islamized?), it's not like the end of the world. Religions, over thousands of years, decay and wither to the progress of science.[/QUOTE] Yeah, religion will surely decay. After Muslims invade Europe and behead every non-muslim they find. Sure, that makes everything ok.

[QUOTE=sonerin;36780568]Yes they do. Yeah, religion will surely decay. After Muslims invade Europe and behead every non-muslim they find. Sure, that makes everything ok.[/QUOTE] You're hilarious. Do you get all of your facts from Fox News? [editline]15th July 2012[/editline] Anyway, as Beafman said, immigration is not the core [I]problem[/I]. I think it's how society integrates immigrants that may contribute to several negative factors such as gang violence and poverty

[QUOTE=sonerin;36780568]Yes they do. Yeah, religion will surely decay. After Muslims invade Europe and behead every non-muslim they find. Sure, that makes everything ok.[/QUOTE] That's not the point I'm making. I'd fight if it was a "real war" we were talking about. That is however not what is happening. Indeed, you are doing what I said, generalizing, as if every muslim would WANT to kill you. They don't. Just like every christian don't go on a killing spree to kill all the gentiles anymore. Because the morality of religion changes, it never stays constant. The majority of immigrants comform after several generations, specifically after the second.

[QUOTE=Beafman;36780630]That's not the point I'm making. I'd fight if it was a "real war" we were talking about. That is however not what is happening. Indeed, you are doing what I said, generalizing, as if every muslim would WANT to kill you. They don't. Just like every christian don't go on a killing spree to kill all the gentiles anymore. Because the morality of religion changes, it never stays constant. The majority of immigrants comform after several generations, specifically after the second.[/QUOTE] Islam commands Muslims to kill anyone who doesn't convert into Islam, so it will happen to you eventually if you keep asslicking Muslims like this. No beheadings happen in Europe because Muslims are the minority and they can't rage. But have a walk in the streets of Saudi Arabia with a cross necklace and the next thing you'll feel is your head dropping on the ground.

[QUOTE=sonerin;36780696]Islam commands Muslims to kill anyone who doesn't convert into Islam, so it will happen to you eventually if you keep asslicking Muslims like this. No beheadings happen in Europe because Muslims are the minority and they can't rage. But have a walk in the streets of Saudi Arabia with a cross necklace and the next thing you'll feel is your head dropping on the ground.[/QUOTE] You know what other religions command their follows to discriminate/kill the non-believers? All the other big ones! Stop grouping people into groups such as "muslims" or whatever. These people might be from a scary place, but they are PEOPLE with FEELINGS and OPINIONS. Let's assume every Christian is from the Westboro Baptist Church while we're at it. Your racism is clouding your judgement, these are people with individual thoughts and feelings, not some people whose sole purpose is to kill you. Maybe people who are leaving those countries that practice questionable laws are doing it because they think those laws are silly and want to escape that? Did that cross your mind?

[QUOTE=Zally13;36780526]Implying it isn't here. A notable portion of people that I know are opposed to immigration because they're simply racist towards Mexicans.[/QUOTE] Where do you live? I could see racist hicks not wanting Mexicans moving into the country, but I've never seen any serious racism towards anybody where I live.

[QUOTE=King Tiger;36780781]Where do you live? I could see racist hicks not wanting Mexicans moving into the country, but I've never seen any serious racism towards anybody where I live.[/QUOTE] Arizona passed a law that allowed police officers to ask for identification from anybody suspected of being an immigrant. How do you detect if somebody's an immigrant? Race.

[QUOTE=sonerin;36780696]Islam commands Muslims to kill anyone who doesn't convert into Islam, so it will happen to you eventually if you keep asslicking Muslims like this. No beheadings happen in Europe because Muslims are the minority and they can't rage. But have a walk in the streets of Saudi Arabia with a cross necklace and the next thing you'll feel is your head dropping on the ground.[/QUOTE] Then why aren't you out and killing them in the streets? If you are a christian, then the bible command you to kill them on sight, preferably by stones or other wise.

[QUOTE=Zally13;36780793]Arizona passed a law that allowed police officers to ask for identification from anybody suspected of being an immigrant. How do you detect if somebody's an immigrant? Race.[/QUOTE] I don't think that's what the law is actually. I thought it was to ask for proof of citizenship only if there was another offence committed by the person, such as being pulled over for speeding.

[QUOTE=sonerin;36780696]Islam commands Muslims to kill anyone who doesn't convert into Islam, so it will happen to you eventually if you keep asslicking Muslims like this. No beheadings happen in Europe because Muslims are the minority and they can't rage. But have a walk in the streets of Saudi Arabia with a cross necklace and the next thing you'll feel is your head dropping on the ground.[/QUOTE] Hah that's hilarious seeing as the Quran tells Muslims to give their lives to Christians and Jews cause they all worship the same thing. [QUOTE]"To you your religion, and to me mine" (109)[/QUOTE] [QUOTE]And do not dispute with the followers of the Book except by what is best, except those of them who act unjustly, and say: We believe in that which has been revealed to us and revealed to you, and our God and your God is One, and to Him do we submit. [Quran 29:46][/QUOTE] [QUOTE]Not all of them are alike; a party of the people of the Scripture stand for the right, they recite the Verses of God during the hours of the night, prostrating themselves in prayer. They believe in God and the Last Day; they enjoin Al-Ma'rûf and forbid Al-Munkar ; and they hasten in (all) good works; and they are among the righteous. And whatever good they do, nothing will be rejected of them; for God knows well those who are Al-Muttaqûn .(3:113-115)[/QUOTE] [QUOTE]And there are, certainly, among the people of the Scripture (Jews and Christians), those who believe in God and in that which has been revealed to you, and in that which has been revealed to them, humbling themselves before God. They do not sell the Verses of God for a little price, for them is a reward with their Lord. Surely, God is Swift in account. '(3:199)'[/QUOTE] [QUOTE]Verily! Those who believe and those who are Jews and Christians, and Sabians, whoever believes in God and the Last Day and do righteous good deeds shall have their reward with their Lord, on them shall be no fear, nor shall they grieve . [Quran 2:62][/QUOTE] [QUOTE]Say (O Muhammad ): "O people of the Scripture : Come to a word that is just between us and you, that we worship none but God, and that we associate no partners with Him, and that none of us shall take others as lords besides God. [Quran 3:64][/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=King Tiger;36780962]I don't think that's what the law is actually. I thought it was to ask for proof of citizenship only if there was another offence committed by the person, such as being pulled over for speeding.[/QUOTE] "The Arizona Act... requires that state law enforcement officers attempt to determine an individual's immigration status during a "lawful stop, detention or arrest", or during a "lawful contact" not specific to any activity when there is reasonable suspicion that the individual is an illegal immigrant." - Arizona SB 1070, §2.

[QUOTE=Zally13;36781051]"The Arizona Act... requires that state law enforcement officers attempt to determine an individual's immigration status during a "lawful stop, detention or arrest", or during a "lawful contact" not specific to any activity when there is reasonable suspicion that the individual is an illegal immigrant." - Arizona SB 1070, §2.[/QUOTE] That's what I just said. That's [I]exactly[/I] what I just said. They can only check if they already stopped a person for something else.

[QUOTE=Beafman;36780902]Then why aren't you out and killing them in the streets? If you are a christian, then the bible command you to kill them on sight, preferably by stones or other wise.[/QUOTE] Because I'm neither a Christian nor a Muslim. If you're asking why Muslims aren't out in the streets killing non-muslims, I gave the answer in my previous post. And the majority of the Muslims don't even know about the violent orders, since most of the Muslims don't read Qur'an and just call themselves Muslims. [QUOTE=ThePinkPanzer;36780982]Hah that's hilarious seeing as the Quran tells Muslims to give their lives to Christians and Jews cause they all worship the same thing.[/QUOTE] There are a lot more, but here's a few to prove Islam's dark side: [QUOTE]9:5 Qur'an: And when the sacred months have passed, then kill the polytheists wherever you find them and capture them and besiege them and sit in wait for them at every place of ambush. But if they should repent, establish prayer, and give zakah, let them [go] on their way. Indeed, Allah is Forgiving and Merciful. 4:89 Qur'an: They wish you would disbelieve as they disbelieved so you would be alike. So do not take from among them allies until they emigrate for the cause of Allah . But if they turn away, then seize them and kill them wherever you find them and take not from among them any ally or helper. Quran 3:56: As to those who reject faith, I will punish them with terrible agony in this world and in the Hereafter, nor will they have anyone to help. Quran 3:151 Soon shall We cast terror into the hearts of the Unbelievers, for that they joined companions with Allah, for which He had sent no authority". This speaks directly of polytheists, yet it also includes Christians, since they believe in the Trinity (ie. what Muhammad incorrectly believed to be 'joining companions to Allah'). [URL="http://www.cmje.org/religious-texts/quran/verses/008-qmt.php#008.012"]Quran (8:12)[/URL] [I]I will cast terror into the hearts of those who disbelieve. Therefore strike off their heads and strike off every fingertip of them.[/I] [/QUOTE] gg would play again come back anytime soon.

[QUOTE=sonerin;36781232]Because I'm neither a Christian nor a Muslim. There are a lot more, but here's a few to prove Islam's dark side: gg would play again come back anytime soon.[/QUOTE] So I don't quite follow you? Are you basically saying that muslims has no capabilities for rational thought? Because even though the muslims that do trouble are in the news a lot, the majority can actually think for themselves. And to think an entire group of people are ready, on a moments notice, to go on a gigantic killing spree to kill 300 million people in one swoop, is just, well, bigoted crazy...

[QUOTE=Beafman;36781261]So I don't quite follow you? Are you basically saying that muslims has no capabilities for rational thought? Because even though the muslims that do trouble are in the news a lot, the majority can actually think for themselves. And to think an entire group of people are ready, on a moments notice, to go on a gigantic killing spree to kill 300 million people in one swoop, is just, well, bigoted crazy...[/QUOTE] It is crazy. What I am saying is that Islam is violent, but most Muslims don't know of Islam's violent side and the orders. That is just one of the reasons you don't see Muslims attacking people in the streets. Most Muslims call themselves Muslims yet they don't read Qur'an, hence they stay completely misinformed and clueless. But tl;dr: Islam is violent but most of its followers don't know about Islam's violent orders.

[QUOTE=sonerin;36781332]It is crazy. What I am saying is that Islam is violent, but most Muslims don't know of Islam's violent side and the orders. That is just one of the reasons you don't see Muslims attacking people in the streets. Most Muslims call themselves Muslims yet they don't read Qur'an, hence they stay completely misinformed and clueless. But tl;dr: Islam is violent but most of its followers don't know about Islam's violent orders.[/QUOTE] So you're saying they are nearly exactly the same as common american christians. Great, so what's wrong with them then?

[QUOTE=Beafman;36781389]So you're saying they are nearly exactly the same as common american christians. Great, so what's wrong with them then?[/QUOTE] They are lean towards agressiveness. Once they overpopulate the non-muslims, it will be easier for them to discriminate non-muslims. We're better off away from a violent religion rather than having it amongst us, aren't we? It's an unstable religion with unstable followers. Islam is a death cult, that's the most simple answer I can give.

[QUOTE=sonerin;36781449]They are lean towards agressiveness. Once they overpopulate the non-muslims, it will be easier for them to discriminate non-muslims. We're better off away from a violent religion rather than having it amongst us, aren't we? It's an unstable religion with unstable followers. Islam is a death cult, that's the most simple answer I can give.[/QUOTE] Every religion is a death cult, it postulates a life after death for those who live a good life (i.e. living and dying for the good book). You say it as if no muslim every "really" integrates into the fabric of their countries social fabric.