Government shelves foxhunting vote after SNP opposition - Polidicks

[img]http://www.agentiadepresamondena.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/11/wild-foxes-photography-ivan-kislov-17.jpg[/img] [quote]The government has withdrawn its attempt to relax the UK’s foxhunting ban after the Scottish National party said it would vote against the change. Live Andy Burnham speaks at press gallery Labour leadership hustings - Politics live Rolling coverage of all the day’s political developments as they happen, including the shelving of the vote on hunting Read more Downing Street is expected to revisit the issue in autumn after the proposed introduction of English votes for English laws (Evel) in parliament. This would make clear whether a majority of non-Scottish MPs were in favour of weakening the foxhunting ban. The vote was meant to be held on Wednesday but the SNP’s decision to break with tradition by voting on an English-only matter meant No 10 was no longer confident it would win.[/quote] Glad the snp fucked this over, it's pretty much cartoon level of evil [url=http://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2015/jul/14/foxhunting-vote-shelved-by-tories-in-face-of-snp-opposition]Source[/url]

Good riddance, it was disgusting that they even considered repealing the ban in the first place. [editline]14th July 2015[/editline] Oh, they're going to be trying again later? Fucking hell.

[QUOTE=alexisgondor;48203475]Good riddance, it was disgusting that they even considered repealing the ban in the first place. [editline]14th July 2015[/editline] Oh, they're going to be trying again later? Fucking hell.[/QUOTE] I don't think the Conservatives have ever actually 'dropped' anything yet. They just shelve it until a later date when they think Parliament will have more support for it.

I wish there was a party for Great Britain that stood for mostly the same things as SNP and was as determined to fight for what they believe in, even when it doesn't directly affect them SNP is what Labour should be. SNP is what a modern political party should be. I would actually be able to stomach this Tory Government if they came across as people and not a well oiled PR machine only looking after themselves.

A bunch of stuck up idiots dressed up as clowns ride their pretty horses after their pack of dogs, then proceed to get off to the sight of said dogs ripping a living animal to shreds, leaving nothing salvageable behind. How is this a valuable tradition again?

[QUOTE=Ripper Roo;48203886]A bunch of stuck up idiots dressed up as clowns ride their pretty horses after their pack of dogs, then proceed to get off to the sight of said dogs ripping a living animal to shreds, leaving nothing salvageable behind. How is this a valuable tradition again?[/QUOTE] it's not a valuable tradition because it doesn't add value to the UK, only makes the country look medieval. Thankfully they avoided looking primitive at least for today.

[QUOTE=Dan2593;48203689]I wish there was a party for Great Britain that stood for mostly the same things as SNP and was as determined to fight for what they believe in, even when it doesn't directly affect them SNP is what Labour should be. SNP is what a modern political party should be. I would actually be able to stomach this Tory Government if they came across as people and not a well oiled PR machine only looking after themselves.[/QUOTE] No the SNP is what a nationalistic modern party should be. They caused so much bullshit propaganda during our referendum that literally caused so much discourse that people literally wouldn't talk to each other at the dinner table because of political views being so sensationalised. It become not about what's best for the country but what's best for fucking over England even if that's at the cost of Scotland, Wales and NI. I take significant issue with the idea that a party (that in its core beliefs is looking to break apart a union) can stand in a democratic society between multiple countries. The democratic state requires unity, the SNP while being stupidly loud unlike labour do not keep in mind that we are in fact a union. A modern political party should not be nitpicking. I don't want to listen to the opposition speaker telling me everything the proposition presented is bullshit in a democratic and modern society. What I want to hear is objectively analysis of the prop. I want to actually have another viewpoint that isn't just "it's bad because they're saying it's good" and the latter is what the SNP are giving us.

[QUOTE=Dan2593;48203689]I wish there was a party for Great Britain that stood for mostly the same things as SNP and was as determined to fight for what they believe in, even when it doesn't directly affect them SNP is what Labour should be. SNP is what a modern political party should be. I would actually be able to stomach this Tory Government if they came across as people and not a well oiled PR machine only looking after themselves.[/QUOTE] I agree. Beyond the nationalism, the SNP politically is exactly where Labour should be. Hearing the other day that Labour probably aren't going to oppose Osbourne's welfare reforms is just depressing.

[QUOTE=DrJenkins;48204291]No the SNP is what a nationalistic modern party should be. They caused so much bullshit propaganda during our referendum that literally caused so much discourse that people literally wouldn't talk to each other at the dinner table because of political views being so sensationalised. It become not about what's best for the country but what's best for fucking over England even if that's at the cost of Scotland, Wales and NI. I take significant issue with the idea that a party (that in its core beliefs is looking to break apart a union) can stand in a democratic society between multiple countries. The democratic state requires unity, the SNP while being stupidly loud unlike labour do not keep in mind that we are in fact a union. A modern political party should not be nitpicking. I don't want to listen to the opposition speaker telling me everything the proposition presented is bullshit in a democratic and modern society. What I want to hear is objectively analysis of the prop. I want to actually have another viewpoint that isn't just "it's bad because they're saying it's good" and the latter is what the SNP are giving us.[/QUOTE] i think he means more social liberal with a left leaning attitude - the snp is not perfect but a nice man on the phone today told me 38 or 70 press releases scottish labour put out were just "the snp are bad" if ken macintosh gets in for scottish lab we might actually see some "policy" but as it stands the snp are keeping scotland in one piece, even if they're a bit too nationalistic for my liking [editline]14th July 2015[/editline] also vote corbyn for labour leader everyone

[QUOTE=codenamecueball;48204316]i think he means more social liberal with a left leaning attitude - the snp is not perfect but a nice man on the phone today told me 38 or 70 press releases scottish labour put out were just "the snp are bad" if ken macintosh gets in for scottish lab we might actually see some "policy" but as it stands the snp are keeping scotland in one piece, even if they're a bit too nationalistic for my liking [editline]14th July 2015[/editline] also vote corbyn for labour leader everyone[/QUOTE] You present very fair and objective insight, good show

[QUOTE=Ripper Roo;48203886]A bunch of stuck up idiots dressed up as clowns ride their pretty horses after their pack of dogs, then proceed to get off to the sight of said dogs ripping a living animal to shreds, leaving nothing salvageable behind. How is this a valuable tradition again?[/QUOTE] Stuck up? You know that it isn't just rich aristocrat guys who go hunting

It's worth noting that this wasn't strictly an attempt to repeal the fox hunting ban. It was to bring the use of dogs in line with Scotland. In that, in Scotland you can use an unlimited number of dogs to flush out a fox, so that a hunter or farmer, can then shoot it. Currently in England, you can only use 2 dogs. However, the SNP are looking at altering that exact law to restrict the number of dogs you can use. But anyone capable of thinking for themselves knows for a fact that this would be just the first step in the Tories attempt to repeal the ban

[QUOTE=CrumbleShake;48204306]I agree. Beyond the nationalism, the SNP politically is exactly where Labour should be. Hearing the other day that Labour probably aren't going to oppose Osbourne's welfare reforms is just depressing.[/QUOTE] uh have fun trying win marginals with that attitude, if labour choose Corbyn or (more likely) Burnham the next election is already lost

[QUOTE=DrJenkins;48204323]You present very fair and objective insight, good show[/QUOTE] explain?

[QUOTE=codenamecueball;48204898]explain?[/QUOTE] the fact you advocate corbyn for leader shows your immense delusion

[QUOTE=Complifused;48204349]Stuck up? You know that it isn't just rich aristocrat guys who go hunting[/QUOTE] Yes, stuck up. You can still hunt foxes in UK, it was the "traditional", aristocratic way of doing it that was banned and that they are now trying to bring back. It was banned because it's needlessly cruel compared to "normal" hunting.

There has to be a cull off some kind in my area soon. It's literally a road that acts as a rural/urban boundary. Fox hunts used to take place frequently nearby and now there seem to be hundreds of them. Killing pets apparently for fun and entering houses through doors that are open. They didn't used to be that confident.

[QUOTE=FlashMarsh;48204981]the fact you advocate corbyn for leader shows your immense delusion[/QUOTE] the fact you advocate winning votes over principles is worrying hate to break it to you but why would anyone want diet tory in the form of the labour party? what that essentially means is you believe labour should pander to conservative media and conservative voters without actually winning the vote of either, further alienating anyone left of centre

[QUOTE=codenamecueball;48205673]the fact you advocate winning votes over principles is worrying hate to break it to you but why would anyone want diet tory in the form of the labour party? what that essentially means is you believe labour should pander to conservative media and conservative voters without actually winning the vote of either, further alienating anyone left of centre[/QUOTE] Left of centre will vote Labour even if Labour go to the centre because there are no other viable alternatives (Greens/TUSC are a joke, and Scotland is lost no matter what so no worries about the SNP). Blair ran a centrist campaign and although everyone hates him because of Iraq, in his first few years in office, great policies were passed - Human Rights Act, Freedom of Information Act, Minimum Wage, and increased spending on Education and Healthcare. Of course, its easier for me to say this as someone who already sits on the far-right of the Labour Party, but ultimately fuming from the sidelines due to your 'principles' making yourself unelectable achieves absolutely nothing. You seem to have this strange idea that every Tory voter is some kind of upper class rural minor aristocrat, a pensioner, a city banker or a racist, or a mix of the previous. Tory voters can easily be won over by simply moving closer to the centre ground, as plenty of people do not have such entrenched political beliefs as you seem to believe. [editline]14th July 2015[/editline] Fuming from the sidelines achieves nothing. Sticking by your 'principles' achieves nothing. Following a catastrophic general election defeat, your 'principles' need to be examined to see if they are actually what people want to vote for. Evidently they are not, so readjustment is needed. Refusing to adjust to the modern day leads to decades of Tory rule as we have seen over most of modern British history. The PM that dragged Labour into modern times, Blair, won three elections off of this strategy, but the self-righteous left wing of the party may refuse to see this and as a result the Labour party may fail to be a real challenger in elections.

[QUOTE=FlashMarsh;48205777]Left of centre will vote Labour even if Labour go to the centre because there are no other viable alternatives (Greens/TUSC are a joke, and Scotland is lost no matter what so no worries about the SNP). Blair ran a centrist campaign and although everyone hates him because of Iraq, in his first few years in office, great policies were passed - Human Rights Act, Freedom of Information Act, Minimum Wage, and increased spending on Education and Healthcare. Of course, its easier for me to say this as someone who already sits on the far-right of the Labour Party, but ultimately fuming from the sidelines due to your 'principles' making yourself unelectable achieves absolutely nothing. You seem to have this strange idea that every Tory voter is some kind of upper class rural minor aristocrat, a pensioner, a city banker or a racist, or a mix of the previous. Tory voters can easily be won over by simply moving closer to the centre ground, as plenty of people do not have such entrenched political beliefs as you seem to believe. [editline]14th July 2015[/editline] Fuming from the sidelines achieves nothing. Sticking by your 'principles' achieves nothing. Following a catastrophic general election defeat, your 'principles' need to be examined to see if they are actually what people want to vote for. Evidently they are not, so readjustment is needed. Refusing to adjust to the modern day leads to decades of Tory rule as we have seen over most of modern British history. The PM that dragged Labour into modern times, Blair, won three elections off of this strategy, but the self-righteous left wing of the party may refuse to see this and as a result the Labour party may fail to be a real challenger in elections.[/QUOTE] nvm you're a blairite

I guess that languishing in opposition for decades in order to trumpet how principled you are and being unappealing, outdated left-wingers who can't win an election is the best way to achieve change that you want to occur Oh wait, that does fucking nothing.

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[QUOTE=UberMunchkin;48203574]It's pretty sad to think the the Conservatives want Fox Hunting in it's current form to stick about, but still, it tells everyone who the main focus of their policies are.[/QUOTE] Preying on those who can't fight back for no purpose other than it gets their rocks off? Yeah, sounds about right. They're probably only bringing this up to vote because they know they can't push a law allowing the hunting of poor people for sport.

[QUOTE=ZombieDawgs;48206494][t]http://i1.mirror.co.uk/incoming/article6063729.ece/ALTERNATES/s1227b/JS68170942.jpg[/t] Where can I get this mask?[/QUOTE] These people do not realise that you can make a point without looking like a massive twat.

[QUOTE=ZombieDawgs;48206494][t]http://i1.mirror.co.uk/incoming/article6063729.ece/ALTERNATES/s1227b/JS68170942.jpg[/t] Where can I get this mask?[/QUOTE] It looks like it's a lush campaign using this template [url]http://wintercroft.com/collections/masks/products/make-your-own-fox-mask-perfect-for-fancy-dress[/url] [editline]15th July 2015[/editline] [QUOTE=Baron von Hax;48207333]These people do not realise that you can make a point without looking like a massive twat.[/QUOTE] Not sure what you find wrong here it's activism that makes it's point well and is visually striking; how is that dumb?

It's funny: fox hunting is only really discussed by politicians because politicians are often from a background of hunting. No other sport is discussed in such detail regardless of how controversial it is

[QUOTE=Complifused;48204349]Stuck up? You know that it isn't just rich aristocrat guys who go hunting[/QUOTE] It isn't hunting, it's just called hunting to trick people into thinking it's not just a cruel bloodsport. It's nothing more than a bunch of pricks getting drunk and watching a huge pack of dogs tear a bunch of foxes apart. If it was about conservation or culling they can still hunt the usual, humane way.