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[i]Circumcision is part of becoming a man for some communities[/i]
[b]Twenty South African boys have died following botched circumcisions in the Eastern Cape Province.[/b]
"The deaths occurred over the past 12 days, with nine of them occurring over the past 24 hours," said a provincial health spokesperson.
Some 60 boys have been rescued from 11 initiation schools which have since been closed.
Circumcision is seen as a rite of passage into manhood in some South African communities.
The practice is common among the Xhosa and Ndebele communities.
However, Zulu King Goodwill Zwelithini wants it reintroduced among the Zulu people because of reports that medical circumcision can reduce the chances of getting HIV.
The rescued boys have been taken to the Nelson Mandela Academic Hospital in Mthatha.
"All 60 of them have septic wounds and are dehydrated," said Eastern Cape health spokesperson Sizwe Kupelo, reports Sapa news agency.
"Four of the boys even need their genitals removed completely, as it could result in death if it's not. We are just waiting for consent from their parents to perform the procedures."
[b]Prosecution problems[/b]
Illegal initiations schools have become common in the Eastern Cape, especially in rural areas.
Unregistered surgeons often set them up as a way of making money, says the BBC's Pumza Fihlani in Johannesburg.
Earlier this week, seven under-aged initiates were rescued from an illegal initiation school run by a 55-year-old unregistered traditional surgeon who had been arrested several times for the offence.
"He was recently given a three-year suspended sentence but he continued doing the same thing. In the past five years, close to 20 initiates died in his schools and 15 had their penises amputated," said the Eastern Cape health department.
Health department officials are meeting the police, members of the justice department and prosecutors to discuss the prosecution of those contravening the Traditional Circumcision Act, which regulates the custom in the province, according to Sapa.
"The major problem is that parents are reluctant to prosecute illegal traditional surgeons who sometimes force their children into circumcision at a very young age," Mr Kupelo said.
"We identify the perpetrators, but if parents are not willing to open cases against them, they are freed and continue illegally circumcising and killing these boys."
Most initiations are either done in June-July or November-December.
Last year, 91 initiates died and hundreds were hospitalised in the province.[/release]
My dick shriveled in sheer terror while reading the news article... poor, poor kids :ohdear:
I don't get why the people who are supposed to circumcise these boys don't know what they're doing.
That's fucking sick. You don't try to "reduce posibility of getting HIV" by fucking up their dick, you prevent it "completely" by simply using a condom.
Ouch.
[quote]However, Zulu King Goodwill Zwelithini wants it reintroduced among the Zulu people because of reports that medical circumcision can reduce the chances of getting HIV.[/quote]
Dick move right there.
[QUOTE=billeh!;22704249]I don't get why the people who are supposed to circumcise these boys don't know what they're doing.[/QUOTE]
well maybe if you [b]READ THE ARTICLE[/B]
I don't get why circumcision still exists.
Condoms don't block 100% all the time. It just reduces.
[QUOTE=Hoffa1337;22704272]I don't get why circumcision still exists.[/QUOTE]
Health concerns, primarily that infections are far less common.
circumcision doesn't stop you getting HIV, dumb communities
[QUOTE=Saza;22704284]Condoms don't block 100% all the time. It just reduces.[/QUOTE]
It's 99.9%, and knowing how to properly apply a condom (can be trickier than you'd think) will lower that percentage even further.
[QUOTE=Regulas021;22704290]Health concerns, primarily that infections are far less common.[/QUOTE]
Are there any scientific studies that proves that circumcision is more than just genital mutilation?
[QUOTE=Keeshond v2;22704271]well maybe if you [b]READ THE ARTICLE[/B][/QUOTE]
Sorry that was poorly phrased. What I meant was why don't the parents of the kid find someone and make sure they're actually qualified for such a risky operation? You would think that the parents might want to think this through better.
did someone just go at them with a hacksaw or something?
[QUOTE=billeh!;22704304]Sorry that was poorly phrased. What I meant was why don't the parents of the kid find someone and make sure they're actually qualified for such a risky operation? You would think that the parents might want to think this through better.[/QUOTE]
I'm assuming that it's traditional.
Oh misinformation doing wonders again
[QUOTE=Hoffa1337;22704303]Are there any scientific studies that proves that circumcision is more than just genital mutilation?[/QUOTE]
The only ones I've seen conflict pretty heavily. Some say good, some say bad.
Africa seems really dumb when it comes to sex, dicks, STDs, that sort of thing.
[QUOTE=Zeke129;22704361]Africa seems really dumb when it comes to sex, dicks, STDs, that sort of thing.[/QUOTE]
It's where HIV2 (the one humans get) originated
[QUOTE=capslock;22704263]That's fucking sick. You don't try to "reduce posibility of getting HIV" by fucking up their dick, you prevent it "completely" by simply using a condom.[/QUOTE]
It reduces the risk of other infections under the foreskin though :eng101:
[QUOTE=Zeke129;22704361]Africa seems really dumb when it comes to sex, dicks, STDs, that sort of thing.[/QUOTE]
One could say Africa is overall pretty dumb.
[QUOTE=Zeke129;22704361]Africa seems really dumb when it comes to sex, dicks, STDs, that sort of thing.[/QUOTE]
They believe that having sex with a virgin cures aids :doh:
Yeah it looks like South Africa is just as bad as the rest of Africa.
[QUOTE=Zambies!;22704390]It reduces the risk of other infections under the foreskin though :eng101:[/QUOTE]
For those who never pull back their foreskin, yes. But if you fap once a week and wash, you just reduced that "risk".
[QUOTE=capslock;22704410]For those who never pull back their foreskin, yes. But if you fap once a week and wash, you just reduced that "risk".[/QUOTE]
I'd say the average facepuncher meets that once a week quota more than enough :v:
[QUOTE=Zambies!;22704390]It reduces the risk of other infections under the foreskin though :eng101:[/QUOTE]
Well obviously it does, you can't infect something that doesn't exist.
But why isn't appendix cut on birth though?
There is no valid reason to mutilate babies/boys against their will.
[QUOTE=POLOPOZOZO;22704409]Yeah it looks like South Africa is just as bad as the rest of Africa.[/QUOTE]
Stay out of the cities and yeah, other wise its like NYC London and other big developed cities.
[QUOTE=capslock;22704397]One could say Africa is overall pretty dumb.[/QUOTE]
Not necessarily.
[QUOTE=Hoffa1337;22704420]I'd say the average facepuncher meets that once a week quota more than enough :v:[/QUOTE]
I usually never take a piss without washing my dick afterwards.
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Africa itself is not dumb, but poor/uneducated parts of it sure are.
[QUOTE=CoolKingKaso;22704435]Not necessarily.[/QUOTE]
You're right, you don't necessarily have to say it's overall pretty dumb, but you can, and there wouldn't be a lot of people who could or would correct you.
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[QUOTE=johanz;22704470]Africa itself is not dumb, but poor/uneducated parts of it sure are.[/QUOTE]
Doesn't it go the other way around? A few areas are better educated?
I'm sorry, I don't care about skincolour, but the continent africa seems pretty fucked over. :frown:
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