Unarmed man shot and killed by New Brunswick police, was fleeing before being fired upon - Polidicks

[quote]NEW BRUNSWICK — Relatives of a New Brunswick man shot and killed by city police about midnight Wednesday night say he was running away from officers when he was fatally wounded. Barry "Gene" Deloatch, 47, was shot twice in the side moments after he was approached by police on Throop Avenue near Handy Street, relatives said. New Brunswick police declined to comment, referring all questions to the Middlesex County Prosecutor's Office. The prosecutor's office could not immediately be reached for comment this morning. "I can't believe it. My brother should be here with us," said Barry Deloatch's older brother, Nate Deloatch, 52, of New Brunswick as he stood near the scene of the shooting on Throop Avenue. Barry Deloatch was the third of four brothers. All of them were born in North Carolina and moved here with their parents as children. Members of the Deloatch family received a telephone call about the shooting shortly after midnight. Barry Deloatch's sister-in-law, Barbara Deloatch said her family received a call from another brother about 12:32 a.m. who said Barry had been shot. Relatives say that New Brunswick man shot and killed by police was running away from officers Relatives say that New Brunswick man shot and killed by police was running away from officers Nate Deloatch, talks about his brother Barry Deloatch who was shot and killed Wednesday evening around midnight by the New Brunswick police. The incident happened at 105 Throop Ave in New Brunswick. Thursday, September 22, 2011. (Video by Patti Sapone / The Star-Ledger) Watch video She then spent harried minutes seeking information, first calling New Brunswick police, who confirmed there was a shooting but would not give her the name of the victim. Barbara Deloatch then called Robert Wood Johnson University Hospital in New Brunswick, asked about Barry, and was told somebody would call her back. At that point Barbara and her husband, Tommie Deloatch, Barry's younger brother, went to the hospital and learned Barry Deloatch had died. "The hospital told us he had been shot twice in the side," Barbara Deloatch said. She and her husband then went to the scene. During the night, Barbara Deloatch said, a witness to the shooting reached out to the Deloatch family, saying that Barry was fleeing when he was shot. The witness, who Barbara Deloatch did not identify, said police had approached Barry Deloatch on Throop Avenue, and he ran around the corner with officers chasing him. Then the witness heard two shots, she said. "This is just a senseless shooting," Barbara Deloatch. "He was a really good guy, not a trouble maker," she said. She said her brother-in-law might have had a drug problem, but didn't deserve to be shot. Barry Deloatch had two grown sons, both named Barry, relatives said. He was planning to marry his long-time girlfriend in January. Nate Deloatch said his brother had graduated from New Brunswick High School and later worked there as security officer and on the maintenance staff. Barry Deloatch had also worked at a box factory in New Brunswick until it closed, family and friends said.[/quote] source: [url]http://www.nj.com/news/index.ssf/2011/09/relatives_of_new_brunswick_sho.html[/url] another senseless victim of both the drug war and police misconduct. the following videos are of community rallies in support of the deloatch family: [media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3qj8ydZgVqw&feature=player_embedded[/media] [media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_qpzJ2B4EZM[/media]

I'd like to hear the Officer's side of the story. Why did he run?

[QUOTE=Craig Willmore;32582530]I'd like to hear the Officer's side of the story. Why did he run?[/QUOTE] probably because he had fucking drugs on him?

[QUOTE=Craig Willmore;32582530]I'd like to hear the Officer's side of the story. Why did he run?[/QUOTE]LOL. "Why did he run?" Like that at all matters.

[QUOTE=TropicalV2;32582539]probably because he had fucking drugs on him?[/QUOTE] I see. Did they have reason to believe he was armed? Was he reaching into his pockets? [quote]According to the Prosecutor's Office, a firearm was not found on Deloatch, but officials say there is question as to whether he was in possession of any other weapon that may have been used against the officers. According to the Prosecutor's office, Deloatch, along with two other men, was questioned by the officers during a routine patrol Thursday. Deloatch fled, pursued by police into the alley, where there was a struggle, resulting in the shooting, according to the Prosecutor's Office.[/quote] [url=http://newbrunswick.patch.com/articles/officers-involved-in-the-pursuit-and-shooting-of-barry-deloatch-placed-on-administrative-leave]Link[/url]

What was his criminal history? If an officer believes that you will cause harm if you escape, they can put you in the ground regardless of whether you are armed or not. I feel like we are getting half a story here.

There must be more to this, even stupid police officers don't think they'll get away with murdering people out of nowhere.

New Brunswick is no joke.. especially around night. I live less than 30 min away from there and people are crazy. Lots of stabbing, fights, and muggings around there.

The dude with the batman shirt in the second video kept saying "now" every time.

[QUOTE=GunFox;32582642]What was his criminal history? If an officer believes that you will cause harm if you escape, they can put you in the ground regardless of whether you are armed or not. I feel like we are getting half a story here.[/QUOTE] Yes, because a man is dangerous to those he has his back turned to. :rolleyes: And no, the police can not willy nilly put you the fuck down, please source your shit, because last I heard everyone had the right to life until proven guilty in front of a jury or was an immediate danger to those around him. If running is the kind of thing that puts you into the 'immediate danger' category something is fucking wrong.

[QUOTE=Jawalt;32582828]Yes, because a man is dangerous to those he has his back turned to. :rolleyes: And no, the police can not willy nilly put you the fuck down, please source your shit, because last I heard everyone had the right to life until proven guilty in front of a jury or was an immediate danger to those around him. If running is the kind of thing that puts you into the 'immediate danger' category something is fucking wrong.[/QUOTE] [quote]The man was shot during a scuffle with police on Throop Avenue, the report said. He was pronounced dead at Robert Wood Johnson University Hospital. [/quote] Seems he was shot during a scuffle, not in the back while running as was previously claimed. [url=http://www.nj.com/news/index.ssf/2011/09/man_is_fatally_shot_by_new_bru.html]Source[/url]

Holy fuck that's a lot of cops that rolled in

[QUOTE=Craig Willmore;32582853]Seems he was shot during a scuffle, not in the back while running as was previously claimed. [url=http://www.nj.com/news/index.ssf/2011/09/man_is_fatally_shot_by_new_bru.html]Source[/url][/QUOTE] A struggle with police does not mean he should be shot.

[QUOTE=Jawalt;32582828]Yes, because a man is dangerous to those he has his back turned to. :rolleyes: And no, the police can not willy nilly put you the fuck down, please source your shit, because last I heard everyone had the right to life until proven guilty in front of a jury or was an immediate danger to those around him. If running is the kind of thing that puts you into the 'immediate danger' category something is fucking wrong.[/QUOTE] [url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tennessee_v._Garner[/url] In the US, it was this case that established that you can indeed shoot people who are not an immediate threat if you have reason to believe that they will do harm to others if their escape is allowed. Not familiar enough with other nations to figure out their specifics, but it is ultimately necessary. Otherwise people facing life in prison have absolutely no reason NOT to flee. So yes, officers can put you down if you are a non-immediate threat. Don't run from the cops.

[QUOTE=Soldier32;32582665]New Brunswick is no joke.. especially around night. I live less than 30 min away from there and people are crazy. Lots of stabbing, fights, and muggings around there.[/QUOTE] I live right next to New Brunswick, like 5 minutes away. It is no joke. Brother got punched randomly in the face and when he took my car there over night, it got broken into.

I thought you all were talking about New Brunswick the province, I was like it ain't that bad.

To get an idea of how bad New Brunswick is, a lot of companies won't even do business there. Nobody delivers there and a lot of companies that send out agents (cable installers, for example) won't send them there.

[QUOTE=Foogooman;32582960]To get an idea of how bad New Brunswick is, a lot of companies won't even do business there. Nobody delivers there and a lot of companies that send out agents (cable installers, for example) won't send them there.[/QUOTE] This is like Back Maryland in Atlantic City, pizza places won't deliver there, etc.

[QUOTE=Soldier32;32582665]New Brunswick is no joke.. especially around night. I live less than 30 min away from there and people are crazy. Lots of stabbing, fights, and muggings around there.[/QUOTE] Hey, I'm in NJ too. And Yeah New Brunswick is a [i]really[/i] shitty place, along with: Camden, Elizabeth, and Newark. EDIT: Also, the protesters act like they are all innocent, did they even have the proper licenses for a thing like that(I forgot the name)?

[QUOTE=toaster468;32583059]Hey, I'm in NJ too. And Yeah New Brunswick is a [i]really[/i] shitty place, along with: Camden, Elizabeth, and Newark.[/QUOTE] Dude Camden is not that bad, it is kinda shitty, but I've gone there for concerts and it doesn't seem TERRIBLY dangerous.

[QUOTE=Jawalt;32583091]Dude Camden is not that bad, it is kinda shitty, but I've gone there for concerts and it doesn't seem TERRIBLY dangerous.[/QUOTE] I think it is. did you actually go in the neighborhoods and stuff?

[QUOTE=Foogooman;32582960]To get an idea of how bad New Brunswick is, a lot of companies won't even do business there. Nobody delivers there and a lot of companies that send out agents (cable installers, for example) won't send them there.[/QUOTE] Wow I had no idea New Brunswick was like that. I thought it was another East Coast province where middle aged and older white men all sat around in pubs and talked about fishing or something. But seriously, I find this a little weird. So the guy with the mic told them to take out their cameras, it's because he knows that cops hate cameras. Does anyone think that the police from any of the states would be harsher? As opposed to Canadian?

[QUOTE=GunFox;32582905][url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tennessee_v._Garner[/url] In the US, it was this case that established that you can indeed shoot people who are not an immediate threat if you have reason to believe that they will do harm to others if their escape is allowed. Not familiar enough with other nations to figure out their specifics, but it is ultimately necessary. Otherwise people facing life in prison have absolutely no reason NOT to flee. So yes, officers can put you down if you are a non-immediate threat. Don't run from the cops.[/QUOTE] Thats kinda fucked up

[QUOTE=toaster468;32583101]I think it is. did you actually go in the neighborhoods and stuff?[/QUOTE] I walked a mile or two from a bus stop, with my phone out for GPS and everything was fine...

[QUOTE=Jawalt;32583194]I walked a mile or two from a bus stop, with my phone out for GPS and everything was fine...[/QUOTE] Maybe your right, I really haven't been there much.

[QUOTE=Stormcharger;32583124]Thats kinda fucked up[/QUOTE] Not really. You don't run, you don't die. You don't run if you aren't a criminal, or have criminal intentions. Therefore, an innocent person would remain safe as they would have no reason to run away. Why is this dumb? Seems logical to me.

[QUOTE=Jawalt;32582612]LOL. "Why did he run?" Like that at all matters.[/QUOTE] Well, up until not too terribly long ago, if you were a felon, and ran from the police, you could legally be shot. it was called the Fleeing Felon law, I believe

[QUOTE=GunFox;32582642]What was his criminal history? If an officer believes that you will cause harm if you escape, they can put you in the ground regardless of whether you are armed or not. I feel like we are getting half a story here.[/QUOTE] Why couldn't the officer just maim him instead of taking his life?

[QUOTE=Jawalt;32582876]A struggle with police does not mean he should be shot.[/QUOTE] [media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pnxA5g8l0Xg&feature=related[/media] [media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jaoDNMli6e0[/media]

[QUOTE=toaster468;32583059]Hey, I'm in NJ too. And Yeah New Brunswick is a [i]really[/i] shitty place, along with: Camden, Elizabeth, and Newark. EDIT: Also, the protesters act like they are all innocent, did they even have the proper licenses for a thing like that(I forgot the name)?[/QUOTE] Yeah, I went to the hood in Newark for my friends uncles bday party at night and it was fucking scary. Especially, since the road I was on someone was stabbed or something. Camden is really bad too. It all depends on where you go though.