Nigel Farage backpedals after saying UKIP would abolish laws against racial discrimination - Polidicks

[url]http://m.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-31846453[/url] [quote]UKIP would scrap much of the legislation designed to prevent racial discrimination in work, party leader Nigel Farage has said. He was speaking in a Channel 4 documentary to be shown next week. Downing Street said his comments were "deeply concerning", while Labour branded them "shocking". Mr Farage told the BBC his remarks, recorded last autumn, had been "wilfully misinterpreted", saying he was talking about nationality not race. ... Mr Farage's original comments came during an interview with the former head of the Equalities and Human Rights Commission, Trevor Phillips, for a Channel 4 documentary called Things We Won't Say About Race That Are True. He said that while concern over preventing racial discrimination in employment "would probably have been valid" 40 years ago, it is not today. "If I talked to my children... about the question of race, they wouldn't know what I was talking about," he was reported to say. He also said he would get rid of "much of" existing legislation.[/quote]

He's spot on.

Nationality vs race is a very thin line.

[QUOTE=Shadow801;47307916]Nationality vs race is a very thin line.[/QUOTE] Not really, nationality is based on where you live or were born typically, whereas race is genetic typically signifying they're descendants from a particular group of people based on their phenotype. It's pretty clear cut.

[QUOTE=Rapscallion92;47307945]Not really, nationality is based on where you live or were born typically, whereas race is genetic typically signifying they're descendants from a particular group of people based on their phenotype. It's pretty clear cut.[/QUOTE] "Your mother shat you out upon foreign clay, so forever more you shall be that sort of man. Her bones were of such a shape, and yours are of such a shape too, so you shall forever more be such a sort of man. Now come over her so I may inspect the contour of your skull to determine if you're merely a Pole, or a Ukranian with a large nose. Tut tut little foreigner, this is scientific."

[QUOTE]Farage: I'd axe 'much of' race laws[/QUOTE] That BBC headline, he was talking about employing British people over Polish people

[QUOTE=Crazy Ivan;47308001]"Your mother shat you out upon foreign clay, so forever more you shall be that sort of man. Her bones were of such a shape, and yours are of such a shape too, so you shall forever more be such a sort of man. Now come over her so I may inspect the contour of your skull to determine if you're merely a Pole, or a Ukranian with a large nose. Tut tut little foreigner, this is scientific."[/QUOTE] Just to clarify, I don't agree with Farage, i don't really care about anyones race as long as they're not getting shit for it but the fact is man race [i]is[/i] different from nationality, whether you like it or not. [url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nationality[/url] [quote]Nationality is the legal relationship between a person and a country.[1] Nationality affords the state jurisdiction over the person and affords the person the protection of the state. What these rights and duties are vary from country to country.[2][/quote] [url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Race_%28human_classification%29[/url] [quote]Race, as a social concept, is a group of people who share similar and distinct physical characteristics.[1][2][3] First used to refer to speakers of a common language and then to denote national affiliations, by the 17th century race began to refer to physical (i.e. phenotypical) traits. Starting from the 19th century, the term was often used, in a taxonomic sense, to denote genetically differentiated human populations defined by phenotype.[4][5][6] Social conceptions and groupings of races vary over time, involving folk taxonomies[7] that define essential types of individuals based on perceived traits. Scientists consider biological essentialism obsolete,[8] and generally discourage racial explanations for collective differentiation in both physical and behavioral traits.[/quote] Just before anyone else busts out ridiculous quotes suggesting I'm against immigration/racist. [editline]12th March 2015[/editline] [QUOTE=butt2089;47308008]That BBC headline, he was talking about employing British people over Polish people[/QUOTE] Which also isn't a problem.

[QUOTE=butt2089;47308008]That BBC headline, he was talking about employing British people over Polish people[/QUOTE] Seems impossible to argue that if you watch the interview clip (in the source link), unless he completely misunderstood the question or misspoke [quote]Phillips: So in UKIP land, there would be no law against discrimination on the grounds of nationality - would there be a law against discrimination on the grounds of race or colour? Farage: No.[/quote]

[QUOTE=Rapscallion92;47308021]Just to clarify, I don't agree with Farage, i don't really care about anyones race as long as they're not getting shit for it but the fact is man race [i]is[/i] different from nationality, whether you like it or not. [url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nationality[/url] [url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Race_%28human_classification%29[/url] Just before anyone else busts out ridiculous quotes suggesting I'm against immigration/racist. [editline]12th March 2015[/editline] Which also isn't a problem.[/QUOTE] I never said they are the same. I said there is a thin line. Many nations have a majority race. It's easy to disguise racism by pointing towards nationality instead of race. 'I think people from Africa are sub-human'. Quite clearly racist. But based on nationality.

[QUOTE=Shadow801;47308057]I never said they are the same. I said there is a thin line. Many nations have a majority race. It's easy to disguise racism by pointing towards nationality instead of race.[/QUOTE] Oh yeah totally, I thought you were suggesting that they were interchangeable, nah sure you're right and that's the sort of thing Farage is trying to open the door for, for some reason.

[quote]Mr Farage told the BBC his remarks, recorded last autumn, had been "wilfully misinterpreted", saying he was talking about nationality not race.[/quote] [quote]Phillips: So in UKIP land, there would be no law against discrimination on the grounds of nationality - would there be a law against discrimination on the grounds of race or colour? Farage: No.[/quote] How do you misinterpret this? He was clearly asked if there would be laws against racial discrimination and he said no.

Of course discrimination should be legal for private employers.

[QUOTE=Rapscallion92;47307945]Not really, nationality is based on where you live or were born typically, whereas race is genetic typically signifying they're descendants from a particular group of people based on their phenotype. It's pretty clear cut.[/QUOTE] Both are circumstances of birth and neither should be grounds for discrimination

[QUOTE=Shibbey;47308926]Both are circumstances of birth and neither should be grounds for discrimination[/QUOTE] I never suggested they were, just that they are two different things, which they are.

I think it is annoying for businesses who are being forced to hire particular people due to their ethnicity or religion etc. So a white person who may have better skills and qualifications for a job would most likely lose out due to these stupid laws.

[QUOTE=CaptainObvious1;47309735]I think it is annoying for businesses who are being forced to hire particular people due to their ethnicity or religion etc. So a white person who may have better skills and qualifications for a job would most likely lose out due to these stupid laws.[/QUOTE] That really isn't how it works. The minority being hired still has to be capable of doing the job, an employer is under no pressure to look at a white Oxford graduate and deny them with something along the lines of "wellll, we'd love to have you but this Chinese guy with no formal education fills the quota better..."

I spent twenty minutes thinking up a post that would convey how much this cunt of a man makes my blood boil, and nothing really came close.

Nigel Farage is a pretty smart guy

[QUOTE=Rolond Returns;47309891]I spent twenty minutes thinking up a post that would convey how much this cunt of a man makes my blood boil, and nothing really came close.[/QUOTE] Really, we have access to every language, living and dead, known to man at our finger tips through the internet, and really there's no language I can think of that could adequately describe how much of a fucking cunt this guy really is.

But Eastern Europeans are hardworking, all the British bartenders I work with are more concerned with getting their dicks wet and chatting during work.

Anyone still convinced the UKIP isn't racist as shit? I mean, the party was created upon an anti-immigration platform.

[QUOTE=CaptainObvious1;47309735]I think it is annoying for businesses who are being forced to hire particular people due to their ethnicity or religion etc. So a white person who may have better skills and qualifications for a job would most likely lose out due to these stupid laws.[/QUOTE] Please research how it works before you complain about it.

[QUOTE=archangel125;47310112]Anyone still convinced the UKIP isn't racist as shit? I mean, the party was created upon an anti-immigration platform.[/QUOTE] To be fair, seeing opposition towards migration as racism is a knee jerk reaction.

[QUOTE=proch;47309908]Nigel Farage is a pretty smart guy[/QUOTE] He is. He's successfully put a small party on the political map through his own charisma, and off the back of generations of xenophobia. He's played a big role in moving the political debate onto unimportant, perhaps beneficial things like immigration and EU power, moving focus away from things that actually are affecting us negatively, like corporate power, tax avoidance, privatization, and corruption, and he's done this so successfully that his party has benefitted from it. These non-issues he's helped put so much emphasis on are his whole platform, and it's working. It's been so successful actually that whenever he's criticized, it exacerbates his support. He's convinced a portion of the nation that he speaks for them and relates to them, despite being some private school educated, ex-financial trading, rich politician, and a load of people are convinced that this ex-conservative presents something actually different and compelling compared to the current main parties. He's convinced them that the reason the world is against them is because of the 'PC' attitude of modern Britain where you can't say what you really think, and because of 'the politicians and their friends in the media' who are so scared of them that they've got to personally attack them. It's genius really. In fact, he can say things which are bluntly ignorant like he has done here, and somehow it doesn't destroy him. He can even support NHS privatisation, and it doesn't destroy him, despite most of his support base being working class. I don't know if he actually is personally as xenophobic as what he says and his policies suggest - he's a smart man, and he's a businessman, he must know that free trade through the EU and immigration are both beneficial for the UKs economy - could be he's actually playing everyone, and using xenophobia as a means of gaining power. Maybe I'm giving him too much credit...

[QUOTE=proch;47310650]To be fair, seeing opposition towards migration as racism is a knee jerk reaction.[/QUOTE] Why are you defending them when they want to stop Poles from coming to England? Don't you dream of migrating to UK to work as a plumber and live off social services while having five children while getting drunk and beating your wife every day like the rest of us? Traitor

[QUOTE=WhyNott;47310690]Why are you defending them when they want to stop Poles from coming to England? Don't you dream of migrating to UK to work as a plumber and live off social services while having five children while getting drunk and beating your wife every day like the rest of us? Traitor[/QUOTE] I wish our country wasn't so shit that people left

[QUOTE=proch;47310650]To be fair, seeing opposition towards migration as racism is a knee jerk reaction.[/QUOTE] Sort of. I'm sure there are plenty of people who genuinely believe that immigration is a negative thing. But it's not. Economically, it's a positive thing. The more people there are in a country, the more jobs there are, and the more taxes there are being paid. I think with certain people, they refuse to see this because they're xenophobic. Because they're racist. It's cognitive bias essentially, they're not willing to come to this conclusion because they've already decided they don't like immigrants. Any anti-immigration argument I've seen has been so wafer-thin in it's logic that I'm pretty sure it's just a kind of rationalization, or a justification for their xenophobia.

[QUOTE=CrumbleShake;47310678]He is. He's successfully put a small party on the political map through his own charisma, and off the back of generations of xenophobia. He's played a big role in moving the political debate onto unimportant, perhaps beneficial things like immigration and EU power, moving focus away from things that actually are affecting us negatively, like [B]corporate power, tax avoidance, privatization, and corruption[/B], and he's done this so successfully that his party has benefitted from it. These non-issues he's helped put so much emphasis on are his whole platform, and it's working. It's been so successful actually that whenever he's criticized, it exacerbates his support. [/quote] Except immigration is ranked by the public as their biggest concern and those other things you listed are your own [quote] He's convinced a portion of the nation that he speaks for them and relates to them, despite being some private school educated, ex-financial trading, rich politician, and a load of people are convinced that this ex-conservative presents something actually different and compelling compared to the current main parties. He's convinced them that the reason the world is against them is because of the 'PC' attitude of modern Britain, and because of 'the politicians and their friends in the media' are so scared of them that they've got to lie, and personally attack them. In fact, he can say things which are bluntly ignorant like he has done here, and somehow it doesn't destroy him. He can even support NHS privatisation, and it doesn't destroy him, despite most of his support base being working class.[/quote] Try not to sound too condescending

[QUOTE=butt2089;47310898]Except immigration is ranked by the public as their biggest concern and those other things you listed are your own[/quote] That's exactly what I'm saying... those are the real significant issues, and yet they're ignored in favour of trivial non-issues like immigration, and Farage has played a part in moving this emphasis. Immigration hasn't been this big an issue for the public in a long time. What's changed? The recent economic woes? Looking for someone to blame? Everywhere you look seeing people blame immigrants? You can't deny that corporate power is a significant issue more at need to be addressed than immigration. [quote]Try not to sound too condescending[/QUOTE] I'm not trying to be condescending, that's just how it is. I don't think people are stupid, not at all. People's concerns are based on how they're informed, and people are being misinformed en masse, by the media and by a wide political debate. Xenophobia is an intrinsic part of our nature, and it's evolved for a reason - we don't like people we don't know, who are different, and who are from the next tribe over - and this part of us is constantly evoked by a media and by a political debate that's focusing on immigration, drawing the attention away from real issues that are actually causing the problems in this country. I refuse to blame anyone for being xenophobic, it's just how things are, so I really struggle to know how to approach it.

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