Putin congratulates Trump, hopes to cooperate to end RU-US relations crisis - Polidicks

[url]http://tass.ru/politika/3768973[/url] [T]https://phototass2.cdnvideo.ru/width/744_b12f2926/tass/m2/uploads/i/20161109/4371217.jpg[/T] [QUOTE]President of the Russian Federation Vladimir Putin has sent a telegram to Donald Trump, congratulating him with his victory in US elections and wishes him to do a good job in "such responsible position as head of the state". Hopes to end ongoing relations crisis as well as create new solutions for active problems in international community.[/QUOTE]

Good, I would like for us to have good relations with Russia.

As long as "good relations" isn't code for "appeasement while Putin reabsorbs former Russian territories through brownshirt revolutions", sure.

If there is one positive about a Trump presidency, it may be this. Better relations with Russia is a good thing.

[QUOTE=Cinnamonbun;51339196]Good, I would like for us to have good relations with Russia.[/QUOTE] I don't want to be on their shitlist even though we're probably fated to be an eternal arch-nemesis or some shit, but then something about Putin supporting Trump gives me an off feeling.

[QUOTE=Cinnamonbun;51339196]Good, I would like for us to have good relations with Russia.[/QUOTE] I don't know if being Putin's bitch like Trump is the right way to go about it though.

[QUOTE=Cinnamonbun;51339196]Good, I would like for us to have good relations with Russia.[/QUOTE] Literally no one in public office doesn't want good relationships with Russia. The question is at what cost.

[QUOTE=DogGunn;51339225]If there is one positive about a Trump presidency, it may be this. Better relations with Russia is a good thing.[/QUOTE] I have a feeling that Putin will play Trump like a fiddle.

[QUOTE=Raidyr;51339235]Literally no one in public office doesn't want good relationships with Russia. The question is at what cost.[/QUOTE] Obama worked hard on his Russian Reset all for Putin to throw it away by invading Ukraine. Russia sees friendliness as weakness, and when there's weakness, their neighbors get invaded. [editline]9th November 2016[/editline] [QUOTE=Chrille;51339239]I have a feeling that Putin will play Trump like a fiddle.[/QUOTE] Of course he will. That's why he wanted him to win so badly.

I want to be optimistic about this and hope that we can really close off the Cold War once and for all, but everything I've been optimistic about in politics recently has gone polar opposite so I'll be pessimistic and say Putin's just happy that he has an easily-appeased pawn who plans to dismantle NATO and allow him to re-establish Soviet control over Eastern Europe. So long as we're returning to nationalism, populism, and protectionism, we might as well just redraw the borders to fit right back to the 1940s.

[QUOTE=Mr. Someguy;51339245]Obama worked hard on his Russian Reset all for Putin to throw it away by invading Ukraine. Russia sees friendliness as weakness, and when there's weakness, their neighbors get invaded. [editline]9th November 2016[/editline] Of course he will. That's why he wanted him to win so badly.[/QUOTE] Three years down the line, after Russia starts planting little green men in the Baltic States and inciting pro-Russian revolt, I'll sit back and watch Breitbart talk about how Obama's Russian Reset caused all of this.

is this the next Molotov-Ribbentrop deal? [editline]9th November 2016[/editline] [QUOTE=Captain Chalky;51339276]Let them fucking try.[/QUOTE]we can't fight Russia.

[QUOTE=Joazzz;51339319]we can't fight Russia.[/QUOTE] No, but Finland isn't like Crimea. If some kind of invasion were to happen (that probably won't), you guys would definitely be backed up by at least a bunch of other European states, if you guys managed to get Germany and/or France to help you, the best Russia could hope for is a stalemate or a pyrrhic victory.

not sure what they would benefit from invading anyway tbh

[QUOTE=Joazzz;51339319]we can't fight Russia.[/QUOTE] No, but NATO can. Ukraine isn't part of NATO.

Why do you assume that Putin is some kind of Bond movie villain? I mean he's obviously not a very good man but I really don't think he's gonna invade left and right just for the lulz. There's just no profit or sense in doing so. ...I hope.

[QUOTE=Samiam22;51339372]No, but Finland isn't like Crimea. If some kind of invasion were to happen (that probably won't), you guys would definitely be backed up by at least a bunch of other European states, if you guys managed to get Germany and/or France to help you, the best Russia could hope for is a stalemate or a pyrrhic victory.[/QUOTE]Somehow I doubt anyone's going to back us up in the unlikely event an invasion takes place. Russia has little to gain from invading us in the first place, and other countries even less so to defend us.

[QUOTE=Sgt Doom;51339409]Somehow I doubt anyone's going to back us up in the unlikely event an invasion takes place. Russia has little to gain from invading us in the first place, and other countries even less so to defend us.[/QUOTE] They'd kinda have to, that's how NATO works. If one NATO country gets invaded by someone, all NATO countries have to help in some way.

[QUOTE=simkas;51339423]They'd kinda have to, that's how NATO works. If one NATO country gets invaded by someone, all NATO countries have to help in some way.[/QUOTE]Finland is not a part of NATO.

[QUOTE=Sgt Doom;51339427]Finland is not a part of NATO.[/QUOTE] Oh, weird, I totally thought it was.

I find it really bizzare that Republicans supported a president-elect that is seemingly bending over to Russia. Hell, they even still adore Reagan judging from the conversations I've had with them.

[QUOTE=Sgt Doom;51339409]Somehow I doubt anyone's going to back us up in the unlikely event an invasion takes place. Russia has little to gain from invading us in the first place, and other countries even less so to defend us.[/QUOTE]no-one would come they would shake fists, impose sanctions and send angry letters, but ultimately we'd be thrown to the wolves just the way we were 80 years ago

[QUOTE=elixwhitetail;51339224]As long as "good relations" isn't code for "appeasement while Putin reabsorbs former Russian territories through brownshirt revolutions", sure.[/QUOTE] Alaska is going back to Russia.

[QUOTE=Teddybeer;51339455]The profit is that people focus on that and not what happens at home.[/QUOTE] Okay, now look here. Ukraine (or more specifically, Crimea) was a low risk/high chance of success type of affair that was achieved more or less without bloodshed on our part. Hence celebrations. Now imagine a hypothetical war with Finland or Norway or whatever whose standing army isn't in shit state (no offense to Ukraine) - death toll rises, more and more coffins are bringing joy to mothers back home every day, economy takes a huge dive and "Uh-oh guys, why aren't we winning?". People unhappy and boom! Riots/revolution and shit, regime doesn't want that, y'see?

I ain't worried that NATO members will be attacked. But I'm not too optimistic about Ukraine right now

[QUOTE=Joazzz;51339466]no-one would come they would shake fists, impose sanctions and send angry letters, but ultimately we'd be thrown to the wolves just the way we were 80 years ago[/QUOTE] Didn't you guys recieve some little "help" from the Swedish voluntary fighters during WWII. Didn't you also get "help" from the nazis in the continuation war?

[QUOTE=SnakeHead;51339451]I find it really bizzare that Republicans supported a president-elect that is seemingly bending over to Russia.[/QUOTE] He's not Hillary; that's all that matters at this point.

I understand why you would want to avoid a war with Russia. I don't understand why you would want to be friends with Russia as they are now. They're a bunch of goddamn bullies. Meanwhile, I see the same people that laud Trump for trying to befriend Russia vilify Clinton because she's buddied up with Saudis in the past for the sake of politicking.

[QUOTE=Lurker;51339518]Have you forgotten the little "help" you got from the Swedish voluntary fighters during WWII or what about the "help" you got from the nazis in the continuation war?[/QUOTE]do not bring the Continuation War into this. the Winter War was us defending against the soviets, the war that followed was us attacking them to retake lost land and then some - we were coerced into it by the politicking of a certain Adolf H. and decided to roll with it to avoid pissing off Germany, and of course there was some heavy nationalist spirit involved too. Winter War was the defensive war and the one we're talking about. and yes, we received swedish volunteers and were grateful for that, but as a whole Sweden sat back and observed while selling guns and stuff to all sides - a smart move that we were unfortunately in no position to replicate.

Trump's election victory is good for Russian relations as in Trump will allow Putin to do as he pleases. This isn't some halt to hostile USA-Russia relations. This is Trump now allowing Russia to commit its flagrant acts in Europe and internationally.