Mystery: Family of 5 all found deceased together in home; found with cups of 'liquid' beside each bo - Polidicks

[B][U]*Two parents and three children are found dead in Utah *There were no signs of trauma, carbon monoxide or air toxins *Court documents say cups with liquid were by each of the bodies *Empty bottles of methadone, cold and flu medication found nearby[/U][/B] [quote=CNN] (CNN) -- Benjamin and Kristi Strack lay dead on their bed. On the floor near them lay the bodies of three of their children, from 11 to 14 years old. There were no signs of trauma, no indication of toxins in the air. But beside each body there were cups with liquid inside. These details come from court documents obtained Thursday by CNN related to the deaths of the five Utah family members, documents that hint at a potentially deadly cocktail including the powerful prescription drug methadone. Based on this evidence and perhaps more, one of the court documents states that one detective on the case "believes the property and evidence described above is evidence of the crime or crimes of homicide." Authorities in Springville, Utah, acknowledged Thursday that the recently released information has "re-ignited interest" in the investigation into the Stracks, whose bodies were found September 27. "The various affidavits written so that officers could fully investigate this tragic event seem to have raised additional questions as to the events that occurred that night," the Utah city's public safety department said in a statement. Chief among those questions: Who is responsible for the deaths? And why did they die? [B]There are no firm answers yet, though the court documents made public this week do shed some light on what authorities know and believe. One of them describes how a biological son of Kristi Strack and the son's girlfriend noticed the house was unusually quiet that late September evening and that the master bedroom door had been locked.[/B] [B]Once inside, they and eventually police officers came upon the eerie scene. The parents were in their bed, while the children were around it "covered in bedding up to their necks."[/B] [B]"Officers reported there was a red liquid substance coming from the mouth of Kristi Strack," a police detective wrote in an affidavit for one search warrant. "All of the occupants of the home were non-responsive. Next to each of the victims was a cup/drink with a liquid inside."[/B] Detectives fairly quickly concluded the family members' deaths were due to "poisoning," though exactly what killed them hasn't been officially determined. The Springville public safety department said that might not be known until late November, when the state medical examiner is expected to release autopsies. The fire department has concluded, however, that "there was no carbon monoxide leak" and "no toxic levels of any kind inside the home," according to an affidavit. Everything in the home was found "to be in good working order." An affidavit for another search warrant, filed in early October, discussed other evidence found in and around the South Springville duplex. [B]A black bag put in an outside trash can, for instance, contained "10 opened and empty boxes of nighttime cold and flu medication consistent with generic NyQuil" and "two empty boxes of allergy relief medication consistent with generic Benadryl."[/B] Inside the home, authorities found empty bottles of liquid methadone -- a synthetic narcotic used in the treatment of heroin addiction. The methadone bottles had come from a drug treatment clinic, authorities said.[/quote] Screams foul-play. But was it someone in the family or an outside source? horrid thing to happen. [url="http://www.cnn.com/2014/10/30/us/utah-family-deaths/index.html"]another bit of interesting info in source, plus a video if you're interested [/url] [editline]31st October 2014[/editline] last note [quote=eerie]The court documents note that it wouldn't be normal for the three children -- son Benson Strack,14; daughter Emery Strack, 12; and son Zion Strack, 11 -- to go to sleep inside their parents' bedroom, since they had their own rooms. And a police officer wrote, in one affidavit, that "with the placement of the bodies, it would appear somebody had to position the bodies after they were deceased."[/quote]

In before serial killer who will go under the moniker of The Sandman.

at first I suspected mass suicide but now I ain't so sure

Also it should be pretty easy to see if the NyQuil killed em, should be liver damage in all of them if that's what killed em.

[QUOTE=bravehat;46377163]Also it should be pretty easy to see if the NyQuil killed em, should be liver damage in all of them if that's what killed em.[/QUOTE] If they were indeed overdosed on all those meds, Methadone is what likely killed them.

[QUOTE=ghost901;46377202]If they were indeed overdosed on all those meds, Methadone is what likely killed them.[/QUOTE] Regardless if it's because of an OD it should be picked up on within days.

So there was a son that didn't live with his family, holy shit how lucky and cursed he must be to still live. Imagine walking into that room and seeing your family all dead in some sort of bizarre ritual positioning. I'd probably snap at seeing that.

Jonestown 2: koolaid boogaloo

[quote]The fire department has concluded, however, that "there was no carbon monoxide leak" and "no toxic levels of any kind inside the home," according to an affidavit. [B]Everything in the home was found "to be in good working order."[/B][/quote] Somehow I doubt that. Yeah, maybe the electricity worked and the water ran in the pipes, but all things considered this household was probably owned by financially troubled drug addicts as seemingly evident, and their poor children who they failed to bear responsibility for. Thus, a family suicide-murder.

[QUOTE=Bat-shit;46377303] Yeah, maybe the electricity worked and the water ran in the pipes, but all things considered this household was probably owned by financially troubled drug addicts as seemingly evident, and their poor children who they failed to bear responsibility for. Thus, a family suicide-murder.[/QUOTE] That's not what they meant.

[QUOTE=Bat-shit;46377303]Somehow I doubt that. Yeah, maybe the electricity worked and the water ran in the pipes, but all things considered this household was probably owned by financially troubled drug addicts as seemingly evident, and their poor children who they failed to bear responsibility for. Thus, a family suicide-murder.[/QUOTE] I'm pretty sure they just meant everything was physically okay in the home, as in there was no toxic gas leaking or something.

[QUOTE=dvc;46377147]at first I suspected mass suicide but now I ain't so sure[/QUOTE] It still sounds like it to me. The suicidal parent(s) may have made their kids the drinks and waited for them to pass out. Afterwards, they moved the children to their room and couldn't bear to just lay them down and look at their dead/dying bodies, so they propped them up as if they were still alive and placed the drinks next to them instead of disposing them so that the police could easily identify what happened. After that, they drank their dose and let life fade away. If it was foul play, you would think there would be more evidence of an attempt to hide the evidence.

[QUOTE=FreakyMe;46377706]It still sounds like it to me. The suicidal parent(s) may have made their kids the drinks and waited for them to pass out. Afterwards, they moved the children to their room and couldn't bear to just lay them down and look at their dead/dying bodies, so they propped them up as if they were still alive and placed the drinks next to them instead of disposing them so that the police could easily identify what happened. After that, they drank their dose and let life fade away. If it was foul play, you would think there would be more evidence of an attempt to hide the evidence.[/QUOTE]hypothetically; if this was set up by someone targeting the family, isn't this exactly what a killer would want police to believe what happened ?

[QUOTE=Kite_shugo;46377753]hypothetically; if this was set up by someone targeting the family, isn't this what a killer would want police to believe what happened ?[/QUOTE] Yes, but it is also a plausible scenario - there are other tidbits not in the article that simply may have not been mentioned, but I imagine there would have been more of a mess, ligature marks, signs of being restrained and force-fed a liquid (spit-up red stains on clothes, upholstery, or carpeting) if the family were forced to consume it.

This is some [URL="http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lead_Masks_Case"]Lead Masks[/URL] style shit.

[QUOTE=ghost901;46377202]If they were indeed overdosed on all those meds, Methadone is what likely killed them.[/QUOTE] if it were the nyquil they'd be in the hospital dying horribly because of the acetaminophen. i don't get why people choose overdosing on it to kill themselves, it usually is painful and horrible as hell and if you don't succeed you're living the rest of your life with major liver damage

[QUOTE=ghost901;46377202]If they were indeed overdosed on all those meds, Methadone is what likely killed them.[/QUOTE] It was likely a combination of all substances involved. Diphenhydramine (Benadryl) and other allergy and cough medications are known to contribute to the effects of CNS suppressants like Alcohol, sedatives, and opiates. Though the methadone alone likely would have caused a toxic overdose, the cough syrup and diphenhydramine would have contributed to the sedation and reduced the chance of vomiting it back up. The reason one of the children had some of the drink dripping from his mouth is that he probably vomited a bit of it back up while unconscious. On CNS suppressants, you just keep breathing less and less until you stop or until you aspirate something and are unable to be awoken by choking.