"A movement that began with intemidating and harrassing female video game journalists"
Fuuuck oooooff
jezus christ these "news" items are getting more far fetched and fucked up by the day
"ARE VIDEOGAMES REPROGRAMMING YOUR CHILDREN INTO VIOLENT ROBOTIC MURDERER NAZIS?!!! MORE ON THE NEWS AT 8!"
At some point, MSM, you're going to have to admit that 'gamers' aren't a "bucket of people". That'd be like saying 'did you know that movie goers are racists' or 'people who read books quietly are most at risk to become murderers'.
You're looking at a hobby because it has grotesque things and labeling the people who enjoy those things as 'necessarily grotesque'. Reducing people to caricatures while complaining about those people being sexists and racists is the highest height of hypocrisy I've seen this week - and I've read all of a-certain-ascii-frog's posts so that bar was already pretty high.
I bet they'll do a follow up on this news report with Jack Thompson.
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get yourself a man who can do both
this is jack thompson tier
Beyond the sensationalist headline, the segment being called "THINK" is a gargantuan red flag right off the bat. That's about as pretentious as a title can be, for it implies that one who does not wish to watch an obvious clickbait news video does not have any interest in utilizing the higher functionality of their brain.
"Gamers" aren't facilitating the rise of the alt-right. Neckbearded shut-ins who ironically joke about gassing jews on /pol/ for so long that they actually believe it are. It just so happens that the two overlap significantly. Not every rectangle is a square but all squares are rectangles, etc.
The like to dislike ratio is 1:48 and the view to like ratio is 1:136.
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This is Konami levels fuckup
Like what the fuck even is the last part? "Hey, this Nazi headlocked his mother because she told him to stop playing videogames" so that means videogames are bad? Like what even is mental health issues?
Newsflash, people aren't one dimensional characters in a bad movie, they have different tastes and opinions on things beyond political stances and human rights.
First it was games make you do school shootings, now it's games turn you into a sexist Nazi.
I wonder what games will do 10 years from now?
[QUOTE=Dr.HAXXXX;52841708]First it was games make you do school shootings, now it's games turn you into a sexist Nazi.
I wonder what games will do 10 years from now?[/QUOTE]
Usher in the end of humanity with 2D waifus.
Also, where the heck is their sourcing on this? Those tweets are shopped, firstly, and secondly I can't even find them. They're all listed, also, as 'after 1 minute of having been posted' in every single image.
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Did whoever ran this story just [B]make shit up[/B] and plaster it on a screen, stating 'this is who your enemy is' as they invented that enemy? No, really, search for all those tweets they just hurled up one after the other onto the video. I can't find a damn one of them except whenever there's folks basically saying 'this shit is shopped'.
Edit: In advance, I know about and don't dispute the Discord servers; that's news-worthy. But making shit up is unnecessary when you have real, vile, nazis you could cover - it's not even 'less sexy' or 'less attention grabbing' to post what Nazis do and what they wrote on that Discord. Why didn't they post all that instead? Oh, right, because we've got a #GamerGate narrative going on here that we need to attach to the alt-right. Which, sure, there's a connection. I don't doubt you could find [I]actual[/I] vile GamerGate tweets if you looked - but the fact that they didn't is appalling. That connection isn't in these tweets they're showing which either don't exist or which were sent via private DM and they didn't source. I don't get the angle other than 'GAMERS?! EWWW' to do this.
I hope someone in the editorial staff gets on their asses about this. This is bad journalism and bad reporting. There were good ways to go about doing this story - they chose all the lazy ways out. For a program called 'THINK' they sure god-damn didn't.
its true, hitler loved video games
I remember the first time I played Super Mario Bros as a kid. Something about it really made me think "huh maybe Hitler was right after all"
I don't really see what the big hubbub is. I really like playing Rising Storm 2: Vietnam. It's the only multiplayer FPS from this year that I like. I like it so much that I've almost squandered 3 days of my life playing it. It's a fairly niche title, so the people who play it are more representative of the textbook "gamer" than the playerbase of a popular title like Battlefield.
Like 95% of games out there, RS2 doesn't have a political agenda, nor does it promote hate. Yet having played it as much as I have, I can guarantee any game you join will feature at least one person who:
A) is screaming "nigger" into the mic
B) is screaming "gook" into the mic
C) has a MAGA username
D) any combination of the above.
This isn't unique to RS2, but as I mentioned above, the playerbase is much closer to what this video is talking about than most other games I've played. Nothing about RS2 itself facilitates this kind of behavior, but the people who play it act like this anyway. If anything, it's the anonymity afforded by the internet, not the games that use it, that emboldens racists. It just so happens that games are very popular internet mediums that also don't require a lot of ID on the player's end, so you'd feel more comfortable saying deplorable shit than on something like this forum.
Whether or not you believe it's origins lie in Gamergate, I don't think it's all that controversial to say that there is a strong alt-right undercurrent in the hardcore "gamer" community. If you watch the video, you'll realize it isn't attacking video games or the people that play them, but a vocal minority within the gaming community. And if you actually spend enough time playing games online to consider yourself a "gamer"/aren't completely oblivious, you've probably realized this connection on some level by yourself already.
[quote]This isn't unique to RS2, but as I mentioned above, the playerbase is much closer to what this video is talking about than most other games I've played.[/quote]
The problem is that it's not the [B]games[/B] or [B]gamers[/B]. It's the people who have racist and sexist ideology in them. Brushing the whole community of gamers with those isolated incidents is like saying 'by the way, 84% of Americans say 'nigger' in their homes at least once per day because we went in a few homes and people were saying that word'.
[quote]I don't think it's all that controversial to say that there is a strong alt-right undercurrent in the hardcore "gamer" community.[/quote]
Nor do I. I think it's controversial for them to say 'the gamer community is the origins of alt-right'. The Alt-Right also goes to movies, does that make movies 'the origins of the alt-right'? They've got their message and thinking (ironically) backwards. It isn't that the alt-right 'sprung' from the gamer community, it's that they decided to group with themselves because - not shockingly - most of them are gamers. Much like [I]most Americans[/I] are gamers.
I can't [U]wait[/U] to hear about how 'WoW is the original founder of the Neo-Nazi Movement' if that's their 'throughline'.
I did a background check on the gamergate tweets and they're word-for-word death threats anita sarkeesian most likely made up in 2014
[url]http://www.returnofkings.com/42602/did-anita-sarkeesian-fake-death-threats-against-herself[/url]
[QUOTE=MasterKade;52841832]I did a background check on the gamergate tweets and they're word-for-word death threats anita sarkeesian most likely made up in 2014
[url]http://www.returnofkings.com/42602/did-anita-sarkeesian-fake-death-threats-against-herself[/url][/QUOTE]
return of kings? seriously man?
just read the front page for like 3 seconds.....
[QUOTE=Firgof Umbra;52841821]The problem is that it's not the [B]games[/B] or [B]gamers[/B]. It's the people who have racist and sexist ideology in them.[/QUOTE]
So racist and sexist [b]gamers[/b]. Got it. Glad we're on the same page.
[QUOTE=Firgof Umbra;52841821]I think it's controversial for them to say 'the gamer community is the origins of alt-right'. The Alt-Right also goes to movies, does that make movies 'the origins of the alt-right'? They've got their message and thinking (ironically) backwards. It isn't that the alt-right 'sprung' from the gamer community, it's that they decided to group with themselves because - not shockingly - most of them are gamers. Much like [I]most Americans[/I] are gamers.[/QUOTE]
1) When is the last time you heard somebody shout "nigger" in a movie theater?
2) Many Americans have played video games, but most Americans are not "gamers". As hardcore gamers are quick to remind you, casuals are not real "gamers". That's like saying watching movies makes you a cinephile. There's a difference between watching one or two movies in a theater each month and posting your personal Criterion Collection to your Letterboxd account.
I love committing hate crimes after playing a few hours of Animal Crossing.
Cooking mama is simply the best backdrop for committing war crimes.
I don't think its a ridiculous leap of logic to say that theres an overlap between people who are generally shitty people and people who play games. Its a logical conclusion but It is not the only conclusion you can take. From the outside looking in, it may seem that way that video games attract a certain audience, and the toxicity of some video game communities might actually do that. But it's not an accurate observation as people are more messy and complicated than we'd like to think.
I also don't think its ridiculous from an outsider perspective to associate gamergate with alt right trolls, when a sizable number of alt right figureheads were involved in gamergate. All these observations follow a reasonable line of logic. Their accuracy can be debated and questioned but to throw out that these claims are illogical and the movements involved were obviously <x> instead is not how you actually debate these if you even want to.
The last bit where they associate a Nazi to an unrelated thing he did about video games kind of sets the mood for what the true intentions of this piece were: drum up a new boogieman with an acceptable target.
[QUOTE=Tunak Mk. II;52841809]I don't really see what the big hubbub is. I really like playing Rising Storm 2: Vietnam. It's the only multiplayer FPS from this year that I like. I like it so much that I've almost squandered 3 days of my life playing it. It's a fairly niche title, so the people who play it are more representative of the textbook "gamer" than the playerbase of a popular title like Battlefield.
Like 95% of games out there, RS2 doesn't have a political agenda, nor does it promote hate. Yet having played it as much as I have, I can guarantee any game you join will feature at least one person who:
B) is screaming "gook" into the mic
This isn't unique to RS2, but as I mentioned above, the playerbase is much closer to what this video is talking about than most other games I've played. Nothing about RS2 itself facilitates this kind of behavior, but the people who play it act like this anyway. If anything, it's the anonymity afforded by the internet, not the games that use it, that emboldens[/QUOTE]
Ok gotta take issue with this. The Red Orchestra and RS series have always been about being very authentic. You know what happened in these wars? Horrible racism against the enemy. In RO2 the voicelines say things like "Ivan", "Russian Bastard", "Fritz", and the like. RS1 had the US saying things like "Japs", "Nips", "little yellow friend", that kind of stuff. RS2 doesn't really have this outside of calling Vietnamese "Charlie" but its too ingrained in the franchise. This isn't to say the series is made by a bunch of racists made for a bunch of racists, but this is the kind of language that is actually used in war. The series is very immersive so I'd think a large majority if people just getting in character. When I play games that take place in Vietnam I end up calling VC and NVA troops "gooks" because it fits the mood. And no, I'm not using it as an excuse to say naughty stuff that I wouldn't normally get away with, the setting just sucks me in. I have no idea what "gook" even means outside of "asian people" but apparently it doesn't apply to Japanese or Chinese people? I mean it's hard to mean a racist slur if you don't even know who it's supposed to be racist to don't you think?
As for the edgy right-winger stuff that's just true in all games because of anonymity. It's probably exacerbated with this series because it actually handles the setting respectfully and doesn't try to tone it down to be more appropriate to a mass audience. So these people who usually shitpost on pol or /k/ get attracted to that aspect of it because it's politically incorrect.
[QUOTE=Mud;52841967]I don't think its a ridiculous leap of logic to say that theres an overlap between people who are generally shitty people and people who play games.[/QUOTE]
...of course?
How many racists, sexists, straight up murderers and whatevers can you point out that read books, watch movies? Videogames are just another form of media that many people just happen to enjoy. Just because some of those people are shit doesn't mean that you have to label the entire games community as a nazi movement.
[QUOTE=Camdude90;52841907]return of kings? seriously man?
just read the front page for like 3 seconds.....[/QUOTE]
Sorry, that site sucks. :v:
[URL="https://twitter.com/femfreq/status/504718160902492160"]But it is something she tweeted about[/URL]
[QUOTE=MrHeadHopper;52842007]...of course?
How many racists, sexists, straight up murderers and whatevers can you point out that read books, watch movies? Videogames are just another form of media that many people just happen to enjoy. Just because some of those people are shit doesn't mean that you have to label the entire games community as a nazi movement.[/QUOTE]
I'm not saying its a valid argument, I'm saying its not the most ridiculous logical conclusion you can come to.
it's the early nineties all over again.
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