• Battle stations! Navy scrambles destroyer to challenge Russian warship off British coast - Takes 24
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[img]http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2014/01/04/article-2533846-1A6B499400000578-656_306x423.jpg[/img] [quote]A fully armed Royal Navy warship was scrambled to challenge a missile-carrying Russian vessel in the waters off Britain just days before Christmas, defence sources revealed last night. In a calculated test of Britain’s reduced naval capacity in the North Sea, the Russian warship came within 30 miles of the coast. It was detected nearing Scotland, but the only ship the Royal Navy had available to respond after Ministry of Defence cuts was in Portsmouth, resulting in a delay of 24 hours until it was in position. The threatening approach towards Britain’s territorial waters triggered a top-secret Navy and Air Force operation co-ordinated by the military top brass at the Permanent Joint Headquarters (PJHQ) bunker at Northwood, just outside London. RAF reconnaissance aircraft tracked the progress of the Russian warship as it neared north-east Scotland, and the tension heightened when aerial photographs revealed the ship was carrying a full payload of guided missiles. Commanders at PJHQ decided to send the new Type 45 destroyer HMS Defender, which is Britain’s immediate-response ship during a national security crisis. The Russian ship waited in the Moray Forth, a stretch of water that flows into Loch Ness, for Defender to arrive, as if her captain were recording the Navy’s response times. At the time, Defender was in dock at Portsmouth. Her crew were forced to make the 600-mile journey around the coastline, because budget cutbacks mean there are no maritime patrol vessels sailing off Scotland. [/quote] If it takes 24 hours to go from England to Scotland, how will the uk ever defend the Falklands now?
[QUOTE=Sword and Paint;43424482] If it takes 24 hours to go from England to Scotland, how will the uk ever defend the Falklands now?[/QUOTE] Pay a Gurkha to live there?
[quote=sword and paint]If it takes 24 hours to go from England to Scotland, how will the uk ever defend the Falklands now?[/QUOTE] They have a garrison and fighter aircraft stationed there already. and the argies know what happened last time, would they risk it again?
[QUOTE=Thomo_UK;43424514]They have a garrison and fighter aircraft stationed there already. and the argies know what happened last time, would they risk it again?[/QUOTE] Perhaps because they know our Navy is 1/3 of what it was. But i guess your right, the garrison is very strong in the Falklands now. [img]http://news.bbcimg.co.uk/media/images/58809000/gif/_58809258_falkland_anniversary_976_2.gif[/img]
[QUOTE=Sword and Paint;43424482] If it takes 24 hours to go from England to Scotland, how will the uk ever defend the Falklands now?[/QUOTE] You do know it took over a month to get there right
I love when Russia pulls shit like this. Like when they decided to fly a Bear loaded for-.. Well, bear, over Sweden. All the Swedish air force pilots were off duty due to a national holiday, so they had to ask us to intercept :v:
[QUOTE=Riller;43424757]I love when Russia pulls shit like this. Like when they decided to fly a Bear loaded for-.. Well, bear, over Sweden. [B]All the Swedish air force pilots were off duty due to a national holiday[/B], so they had to ask us to intercept :v:[/QUOTE] Not entirely sure that was the reason, but it is indeed not a secret that Sweden couldn't defend against a Russian assault for more than a week or so. Also, they didn't fly over Sweden, but they got uncomfortably close to our airspace.
[QUOTE=Sword and Paint;43424482] If it takes 24 hours to go from England to Scotland, how will the uk ever defend the Falklands now?[/QUOTE] Call the US and rent a supercarrier battlegroup for a few days? :v:
Hmm, sounds like a prank call, but for the military? :v:
Truthfully, that's kind of scary that it would take the Royal Navy 24 hours to respond if something ever did happen.
[QUOTE=VOSK;43425365]Truthfully, that's kind of scary that it would take the Royal Navy 24 hours to respond if something ever did happen.[/QUOTE] Well what are the odds of something actually happening? I seriously doubt Russia is going to attack the UK in any event without already being at war with the rest of Europe. And god knows World War III isn't going to start in Europe this time. That leaves the rest of the world to threaten the UK which is...no where near the islands. Fact of the matter is, this event was a complete fluke and while embarrassing to the Royal Navy, it's not really that important in terms of future tasks for the navy.
[QUOTE=VOSK;43425365]Truthfully, that's kind of scary that it would take the Royal Navy 24 hours to respond if something ever did happen.[/QUOTE] Honestly if the ship did start attacking anything I'm pretty sure the UK could just fire a few missiles at it.
[QUOTE=AzzyMaster;43425432]Honestly if the ship did start attacking anything I'm pretty sure the UK could just fire a few missiles at it.[/QUOTE] Russia's ship would have replied in kind: [quote]RAF reconnaissance aircraft tracked the progress of the Russian warship as it neared north-east Scotland, and the tension heightened when aerial photographs revealed the ship was carrying a full payload of guided missiles.[/quote]
I hate this bullshit of testing stuff like this. It's childish.
Russia are cheeky cunts
[QUOTE=VOSK;43425365]Truthfully, that's kind of scary that it would take the Royal Navy 24 hours to respond if something ever did happen.[/QUOTE] Closest vessels on hand for the RN in Scotland are our subs, but sending one of those against a Russian ship trying it's luck would have a been way overboard, or a frigate just down the coast which has just been overhauled and it's crew are currently undergoing retraining. The only reason we sent a Type-45 is because they're newest ship in the RN at the moment and we wanted to show it off - I mean for one thing their role in the RN is [I]air defence[/I], it's not going to be able to do much against another ship.
Doesn't matter, soon Scotland will have to defend itself :v:
Should have let them get as close as they want. They do this stuff to test reaction times. If you can't respond fast enough, don't respond at all. The US has played this game for years with Russia and we intentionally spread our response times all over the map so as to give bad data. The tactic was more effective during the cold war when the aircraft and vessels might legitimately be a nuclear first strike pretending to be a recon mission. Then you always have to respond. Now they are just being assholes. If they wander near a military base on the coast, fire warning shots and then sink them. Otherwise let them be.
[QUOTE=GunFox;43426333]Should have let them get as close as they want. They do this stuff to test reaction times. If you can't respond fast enough, don't respond at all. The US has played this game for years with Russia and we intentionally spread our response times all over the map so as to give bad data. The tactic was more effective during the cold war when the aircraft and vessels might legitimately be a nuclear first strike pretending to be a recon mission. Then you always have to respond. Now they are just being assholes. If they wander near a military base on the coast, fire warning shots and then sink them. Otherwise let them be.[/QUOTE] My grandfather was a fighter pilot during the Cold War/Vietnam. When he was posted in Turkey, Russian jets would often fly along or extremely close to the border, hoping to draw one of them in. If either side crossed the border, you were weapons free on them. So it was essentially a game of chicken, the dangerous thing was that if you got shot down and captured in enemy territory, your country basically said this. "We don't know you or even heard of you." But most of the time squads of jets would just chase each other back and forth out of the airspace.
why this thread has no link? :v: also its from dailymail it seems lol [url]http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2533846/Battle-stations-Navy-scrambles-destroyer-challenge-Russian-warship-British-coast-takes-24-hours-make-600-mile-journey-Portsmouth-base-Putin-testing-response-time.html[/url]
That's exacly how that russian ship looks like?
Its fucking tragic just how much our navy has degraded.
Honestly i can't see the UK being involved in a major war anytime in the near(ish) future at all
[QUOTE=dunkace;43429315]Its fucking tragic just how much our navy has degraded.[/QUOTE] Buy some ships from us! We offer financing.
[quote]Whats the fuss about? We don't have a Navy any more. If you want to have intercept capability, use a fighter jet. We only have the vestiges of a Maritime Defence system now. If it happens again we could always send a trawler from the North East. A boat load of Geordies would be all thats needed to scare of the Russians.[/quote] Possibly the greatest comment to come out of the Daily Mail's site.
[QUOTE=Apache249;43429465]Buy some ships from us! We offer financing.[/QUOTE] Order now and get a trained, tame Bald eagle for your Captain's Quarters!
[QUOTE=dunkace;43429315]Its fucking tragic just how much our navy has degraded.[/QUOTE] Well it's not like we need a big powerful navy anymore. We should have realized this the day the first guy flew over the channel.
If Russia tried that here in the USA we'd have been there before it even happened in the past. Why does Britain not even good army?
[QUOTE=dunkace;43429315]Its fucking tragic just how much our navy has degraded.[/QUOTE] Like I said, there was an anti-ship equipped frigate an hour or two down the coast, I'm guessing the only reason the Royal Navy sent the Type-45 aaalllll the way from Portsmouth was to dickwave how new and modern our new anti-air destroyer is.
[QUOTE=Sobotnik;43429559]Well it's not like we need a big powerful navy anymore. We should have realized this the day the first guy flew over the channel.[/QUOTE] That was in 1909. I'm glad they never took your advice because two world wars and our naval was vital then and still is now.
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