[YongYea] Bungie Rebooted Destiny 2's Development Halfway - General

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They did the same thing with Destiny 1 and it's story didn't they, scrapped everything (and then stuck all of the good shit wrote by the people they got rid of during that time in those stupid fucking lore cards) and then tried to replace everything within an extremely short period of time? Which is also why that game was a pile of crap at release too. Some poor decision making over at Bungie. [editline]edit[/editline] Like I don't even get the people who stick with Bungie despite all of this, it's not like the people who work for this company are the same people you knew and loved from the Halo days, most of those people were either poached for better teams, fired or left for new horizons because they felt ostracized. Like say, another company who was acquired, Rare, it's just a name these days, all the talent, at least in the factors we care for, the people who brought you those fantastic experiences you remember so well are gone.

[QUOTE=jonu67;53027998]They did the same thing with Destiny 1 and it's story didn't they, scrapped everything (and then stuck all of the good shit wrote by the people they got rid of during that time in those stupid fucking lore cards) and then tried to replace everything within an extremely short period of time? Which is also why that game was a pile of crap at release too. Some poor decision making over at Bungie. [editline]edit[/editline] Like I don't even get the people who stick with Bungie despite all of this, it's not like the people who work for this company are the same people you knew and loved from the Halo days, most of those people were either poached for better teams, fired or left for new horizons because they felt ostracized. Like say, another company who was acquired, Rare, it's just a name these days, all the talent, at least in the factors we care for, the people who brought you those fantastic experiences you remember so well are gone.[/QUOTE] I wouldn't say there is no talent Especially for AAA games there's a lot of talent - art direction, animation, sometimes sound and so on The problem is the people making decisions on the business side of the companies ruin everything

[QUOTE=jonu67;53027998] Like I don't even get the people who stick with Bungie despite all of this, it's not like the people who work for this company are the same people you knew and loved from the Halo days, most of those people were either poached for better teams, fired or left for new horizons because they felt ostracized.[/QUOTE] because people fell in love with the destiny universe and they want more of it. lore is amazing, the art style is grand, the core gunplay is awesome. its just the stuff around that is the issue.

Destiny scratches an itch like no other game. It just shoves its microtransaction laced foot right up your ass while it does that, too.

[QUOTE=Wii60;53028698]because people fell in love with the destiny universe and they want more of it. lore is amazing, the art style is grand, the core gunplay is awesome. its just the stuff around that is the issue.[/QUOTE] business side screwed the game, and this is a problem everywhere EA, Ubisoft, Activision are the worst offenders

[QUOTE=SebiWarrior;53028691]I wouldn't say there is no talent Especially for AAA games there's a lot of talent - art direction, animation, sometimes sound and so on The problem is the people making decisions on the business side of the companies ruin everything[/QUOTE] The problem, to me at least, is that there's a very different set of people who have the stake in the same videogame company - Shareholders and gamers. Answering to one, means more or less fucking over the other. I hate the modern tactics of current gaming companies too, but it clearly makes bank for them, despite the hate and that's ultimately what keeps the lights on there. I mean, go take a look at EA's stock performance after the entire debacle - the fucking thing ended on a higher note this year than last year and most of the non-gaming, serious investing type people I know who invested in an assortment of studios were rubbing their hands in glee over the money they were making because they didn't care about the problem or the outrage, they were making bank. Probably a stupid thing, but I wish there was a way, some sort of movement, to get gamers (and there's now atleast one or two generations of them as adults now) to actually monetarily invest in the studios and publishers that make their games to basically have a say that means more than just a change.org petition when it comes to studios fucking them over. "Make a shit game, you're answerable to us - we dump your stock and tank the shit out of it" sounds like a threat that has a hell of a lot more bite to it.

[QUOTE=Wii60;53028698]because people fell in love with the destiny universe and they want more of it. lore is amazing, the art style is grand, the core gunplay is awesome. its just the stuff around that is the issue.[/QUOTE] you fell in love with a universe that was written by a bunch of people who aren't even a part of Destiny anymore tho.

Having not played either but have followed things somewhat, Destiny at least seemed plagued by weird game decisions, like they removed older content tiers, and generally did not have much in the pipeline after the first year of release. Having played WoW for years and followed those trials, it does seem like Bungie might be in over their heads when it comes to managing a massive MMO. Content has to be pipelined otherwise your game stagnates and people leave. Blizzard learned this the hard way when Warlords of Drenor was delayed considerably leaving Mists of Pandaria with like 10 months of content drought, and then again when they pulled the plug of Warlords and moved most of their resources over to Legion development halfway through that expansion. Now they seem back on track but man was it looking like WoW might finally die on a low note. IDK if the MMO model will work well for consoles though, because there's not really a great way to just add expansions ad infinitum like WoW

[QUOTE=jonu67;53028813]you fell in love with a universe that was written by a bunch of people who aren't even a part of Destiny anymore tho.[/QUOTE] So? People fell in love with the Halo universe. And I'd argue that in spite of both Bungie and 343's decisions, people still are, they just hate what's going on and want to see it at its full potential. The Taken King is an example of Destiny's potential, in spite of Joseph Staten and his entire team being long gone it built on Destiny's lore and was a very fun expansion that revitalised the game. What stings the most about Destiny isn't that it's a bad series, it's that it doesn't have to be.

[QUOTE=RichyZ;53029637]while activision are certainly not innocent, i think a lot of this can be pinned on bungie at this point[/QUOTE] I am sure it's not just the publisher Bungie's decision makers are to blame just as much