[QUOTE]According to the statement, the new caliphate stretches from Iraq's Diyala province to Syria's Aleppo.
"The Shura (council) of the Islamic State met and discussed this issue (of the caliphate)... The Islamic State decided to establish an Islamic caliphate and to designate a caliph for the state of the Muslims," said ISIL spokesman Abu Mohammad al-Adnani.
"The words 'Iraq' and 'the Levant' have been removed from the name of the Islamic State in official papers and documents," Adnani said, describing the caliphate as "the dream in all the Muslims' hearts" and "the hope of all jihadists".
Al Jazeera's Imran Khan reporting from the Iraqi capital, Baghdad, said that a caliphate is effectively an Islamic Republic led by one leader, regardless of national boundaries.
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[url]http://www.aljazeera.com/news/middleeast/2014/06/isil-declares-new-islamic-caliphate-201462917326669749.html[/url]
Jokes on them, I don't know what that word means.
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You worthless scum!
thats cute
[QUOTE=Wiggles;45248639]Jokes on them, I don't know what that word means.[/QUOTE]
They basically ignored what anyone says and said "this is our land and our state now".
Oh yeah, this is gonna end real well.
A common enemy to fight, great!
[QUOTE=Comcastic;45248660]thats cute[/QUOTE]
Until some countries starting to realize that they can do business with the new Islamic State (they did capture some oil fields...) and started officially recognizing the Islamic State and next thing you know, other countries followed suit and a decade or so later, it gets a seat in the United Nations... I am telling you, as much as we laugh at them declaring the formation of an Islamic State now, at the current rate, I fear that this may happen.
Now, which country do you think will recognize the Islamic State first? Saudi Arabia, then the UAE?
[QUOTE=Person234;45248776]Until some countries started officially recognizing the Islamic State and next thing you know, other countries followed suit and a decade or so later, it gets a seat in the United Nations... I am telling you, as much as we laugh at them declaring the formation of an Islamic State, I remain cautious.
Now, which country do you think will recognize the Islamic State first? Saudi Arabia, then the UAE?[/QUOTE]
no one but the saudis will recognize them
no one else will touch these people.
This jhas no weight until the Islamic council recognizes it and even then only some weight till a big guy recognizes it and even Russia and china dont want an Islamic republic carved out of Iraq
Let things happen over there. Stopping things mid fight never work. There's no need to pick a side in Sunni versus Shia.
Bout the only guy who might support this is the Saud's and their government is too close to the west to be seen throwing it's weight behind it
[editline]29th June 2014[/editline]
[QUOTE=Aman;45248810]Let things happen over there. Stopping things mid fight never work. There's no need to pick a side in Sunni versus Shia.[/QUOTE]
Its not really suni vs shia its crazy rebels vs everybody
wait wait wait
it's 2014 and people still believe in Caliphates?
that's like me taking a shitload of land and saying "I AM KING THIS IS MY KINGDOM" and hoping to get recognized, that shit's DEAD
[QUOTE=Sableye;45248829]
Its not really suni vs shia its crazy rebels vs everybody[/QUOTE]
No it's not. It's crazy Sunni versus crazy Shia and normal ones of both sitting back shaking their heads.
Iraq should just become Sunnistan, Shiastan, and Kurdistan it'd be the good option.
[editline]29th June 2014[/editline]
[QUOTE=No Party Hats;45248853]wait wait wait
it's 2014 and people still believe in Caliphates?
that's like me taking a shitload of land and saying "I AM KING THIS IS MY KINGDOM" and hoping to get recognized, that shit's DEAD[/QUOTE]
It's just their old timey religious speak for saying they are forming a new country.
[QUOTE=No Party Hats;45248853]wait wait wait
it's 2014 and people still believe in Caliphates?
that's like me taking a shitload of land and saying "I AM KING THIS IS MY KINGDOM" and hoping to get recognized, that shit's DEAD[/QUOTE]
People in the Middle East have been reading too much Moldbug.
[QUOTE=SexualShark;45248790]no one but the saudis will recognize them
no one else will touch these people.[/QUOTE]
That is exactly what the West said about the People's Republic of China from 1949 to the late 1960s. Actually, China's worse, even the Soviets wouldn't touch them after the Sino-Soviet Spilt. (You may not know this, but Mao actually criticized Khrushchev for backing down during the Cuban Missile Crisis, Mao wanted a Nuclear War.) Then, the West realize that the People's Republic of China is a VAST untapped market to sell goods to and get them to make goods for the West. The next thing you know, Taiwan got thrown out of the UN and the People's Republic got Taiwan's seat on the UN Security Council.
Right now, we can mock them all we want. If they successfully conquered all of Iraq, we will have a 21st Century Islamic Caliphate.
Here is where things get interesting. Let's say Iraq falls to the Islamic States. The Islamic State would control Iraq's oilfield, which means $$$. The Islamic States can either
1.) Finance terrorism all over the Middle East and the world to force other Middle Eastern states to either recognize them or cause the overthrow other Middle Eastern states and incorporate these states into the Islamic States. The Islamic States would be met with sanctions and chaos continue for the foreseeable future.
or
2.) Take a move out of the Chinese playbook and finance and invest in other Muslim states in Africa and Southeast Asia, while at the same time tone down of their brutality. These Muslim states, grateful of the generosity of the Islamic States, group together and lobby for the recognition of the Islamic States and a seat for them in the UN. This is the Soft Power approach. Instead of violence and coercion, the Islamic State would use the vast amount of $$$ at their disposal to buy their way into official statehood.
[QUOTE=Sam Za Nemesis;45248888]I wonder if the Middle East is ever going to be free from conflict[/QUOTE]
Probably not, they're overpopulated and have no economies to support it, as well as very poor education, except for the tons of oil money they would be as bad off as Africa but they are worse off because the oil money let's them buy better and better ways to shoot stab and blow each other up.
Y'hear that boys? Grab your longswords and lets party like its 1098.
[QUOTE]The words 'Iraq' and 'the Levant' have been removed from the name of the Islamic State[/QUOTE]
So now ISIL just [I]IS[/I]. That's meta shit.
Also remember they may have the oil refinery but the Kurds have the oil and they dont need to export it down through iraq
kurds, you are our only hope, save the middle east and earn a sovereign state as a reward
[QUOTE=Sableye;45248971]Also remember they may have the oil refinery but the Kurds have the oil and they dont need to export it down through iraq[/QUOTE]
Until the IS "expands" to their land and claims it as well to fund themselves.
Wait, they're making their own state, like actually gonna draw out lines on a map?
Wow that makes this a lot easier then, you could literally just invade them and goad them into defending their nation honourably and fighting face to face.
Then drop a couple of guided bombs and hey presto, terrorist flambé.
That's nice for them, but it doesn't really mean anything without international recognition. I can plant a flag in my yard and call my house and independent state, but that doesn't make it so.
[QUOTE=Sam Za Nemesis;45248888]I wonder if the Middle East is ever going to be free from conflict[/QUOTE]
well, europeans kept killing each other for most of history and finally stopped(somewhat) after WW2, asians also kept killing each other and somewhat stopped(less so than euros) after WW2 too, it will probably take something similar to stop war in the middle east.
it certainly would help be better than it currently is, if british and french colonialism hadn't fucked up the place even more during ottoman empire era, drawing lines completely ignoring ethnic/religious differences and the US hadn't given money/weapons to "freedom fighters" during cold war and currently didn't invade nations and afterwards failed miserably in the nation building(hey lets kill or forbid anyone most people who happen to have any sort of nation building experience in iraq because they had some tenuous connection with the previous government, and then put an extremely stupid figurehead in its place = maliki or in the case afghanistan, put a total corrupt idiot like karzai).
seriously, maliki's case is probably the single most impressive case of an incompetent leader in the middle east in decades, the guy has numbers on his side due shias outnumbering sunnis in iraq(65% of all muslims in iraq are shia, 35% are sunni), and he STILL failed to create an army that didn't run in the first sign of trouble, how can someone suck so much, and he even has iran on his side(since they're shia too), and had the US aiding in troop training, holy fuck, this guy is incompetence personified, where did the americans find this guy?
also from a cynical standpoint, its actually better for everyone(everyone but folks in the middle east of course) that ISIS, iraq forces, syrian forces, iran forces keep killing each other).
So who are the candidates?
[QUOTE=Person234;45248776]Until some countries starting to realize that they can do business with the new Islamic State (they did capture some oil fields...) and started officially recognizing the Islamic State and next thing you know, other countries followed suit and a decade or so later, it gets a seat in the United Nations... I am telling you, as much as we laugh at them declaring the formation of an Islamic State now, at the current rate, I fear that this may happen.
Now, which country do you think will recognize the Islamic State first? Saudi Arabia, then the UAE?[/QUOTE]
They're terrorists, you really think any country is gonna associate with them?
Do they actually think they can win this war and actually create a functioning nation state?
Do they not realize how badly they will be beaten?
[QUOTE=Sam Za Nemesis;45248888]I wonder if the Middle East is ever going to be free from conflict[/QUOTE]
If the past 7,000 years has taught us anything..
Nope.
[QUOTE=Pantz Master;45249824]Do they actually think they can win this war and actually create a functioning nation state?
Do they not realize how badly they will be beaten?[/QUOTE]
They have more chances of being killed by a toilet flung from the moon than the UN or any other major country intervening and stopping them.
But you won't stop those [B]strongly[/B] worded letters of condemnation from flying out the UNs' ass more rapidly than explosive diarrhea because they do have their reputation to maintain.
[QUOTE=cody8295;45249758]They're terrorists, you really think any country is gonna associate with them?[/QUOTE]
Rate me dumb of you want, but that's what the British said about these terrorists...
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I wonder what became of these terrorists, oh that's right...
What I am trying to say is this. When the Islamic State won the war in Iraq, they will be sitting over
(I believe) 43 billion barrels of crude oil. As unpleasant as it may sound, they will be a force to be reckoned with and if you want the oil, you will have to play balls with the Islamic State. Sure, the West may impose sanctions on the Islamic State. However, countries like China is definitely going to ignore the sanctions and send tankers to the Islamic States. What is the West going to do, blockade the Strait of Hormuz?
Let's hope that I worried too much and the Iraqi Army will repel ISIS.
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