Khalid Sheikh Mohammed 'designed a vacuum cleaner and read Harry Potter' while in CIA captivity

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[url]http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-23269437[/url]
[quote]The alleged mastermind of the 9/11 attacks, Khalid Sheikh Mohammed, reportedly asked his CIA captors if he could design a vacuum cleaner.

The Pakistan-born mechanical engineering graduate made the request during a period of detention in Romania in 2003, the Associated Press reports.

A former CIA official told the news agency that he used online guides to re-design the household appliance.

The CIA wanted to make sure its prisoners stayed sane, AP reported.[/quote]

[.FLAP.JACK.DAN.]

He looks like he already lost his sanity.

[dirty_ape]

Maybe he wanted to design a magic flying vacuum cleaner and ride it to safety.

[Starpluck]

[quote]The CIA wanted to make sure its prisoners stayed sane, AP reported.

"We didn't want them to go nuts,'' the former senior CIA official told the news agency.[/quote]

[quote]Khalid Sheikh Mohammed was arrested in 2003 and underwent harsh interrogations in Poland.[B] He was forced to go without sleep, and underwent waterboarding, or simulated drowning[/B].[/quote]

[Andokool12]

[QUOTE=Starpluck;41410548][/QUOTE]

Yes but then he designed a vacuum cleaner so he could suck it up

[ZombieDawgs]

[QUOTE=Andokool12;41410585]Yes but then he designed a vacuum cleaner so he could suck it up[/QUOTE]

They should let him build a bridge next so he can get over it.

[The_J_Hat]

I wanna see this vacuum design. Is anyone else genuinely curious?

[Corn]

[QUOTE=Starpluck;41410548]blankquote[/QUOTE]

He is the alleged mastermind behind 9/11, he caused hundreds of deaths directly and tens of thousands indirectly. I have no sympathy for him whatsoever.

[laserguided]

I wonder if they let bomb technicians design bombs?

[bravehat]

[QUOTE=Laserbeams;41412575]He is the alleged mastermind behind 9/11, he caused hundreds of deaths directly and tens of thousands indirectly. I have no sympathy for him whatsoever.[/QUOTE]

That's real cute, but Human Rights say no.

[Zeke129]

[QUOTE=Laserbeams;41412575]He is the alleged mastermind behind 9/11, he caused hundreds of deaths directly and tens of thousands indirectly. I have no sympathy for him whatsoever.[/QUOTE]

torture isn't ok
if you want to not be ok with it you have to always not be ok with it

your morality means jack-shit if you're willing to toss it out

[Corn]

[QUOTE=Zeke129;41412639]torture isn't ok
if you want to not be ok with it you have to always not be ok with it

your morality means jack-shit if you're willing to toss it out[/QUOTE]

I don't approve of any of this, but it's hard to feel sorry for a man like him

[cecilbdemodded]

As long as they don't let him build his projects in a cave while the guards watch him on the surveillance camera there shouldn't be a problem.

[cqbcat]

He was trying to build Iron Man armor!

[popbob]

[QUOTE=Zeke129;41412639]torture isn't ok
if you want to not be ok with it you have to always not be ok with it

your morality means jack-shit if you're willing to toss it out[/QUOTE]

He was responsible for the death of over 3,000 people. Now he's living in a prison cell where he can have actual hobbies and luxuries. That is not right, and he deserved much worse than what he got.

[laserguided]

[QUOTE=popbob;41412902]He was responsible for the death of over 3,000 people. Now he's living in a prison cell where he can have actual hobbies and luxuries. That is not right, and he deserved much worse than what he got.[/QUOTE]
No.

[Sgt-NiallR]

[QUOTE=Laserbeams;41412718]I don't approve of any of this, but it's hard to feel sorry for a man like him[/QUOTE]

No, it really isn't.

[eurocracy]

He was [I]allegedly [/I]responsible.

Torture doesn't serve any purpose at all, it's pointless and cruel.

[milkandcooki]

[QUOTE=popbob;41412902]He was responsible for the death of over 3,000 people. Now he's living in a prison cell where he can have actual hobbies and luxuries. That is not right, and he deserved much worse than what he got.[/QUOTE]

... Luxury? How disconnected are you from reality?

[Conely]

[QUOTE=popbob;41412902]He was responsible for the death of over 3,000 people. Now he's living in a prison cell where he can have actual hobbies and luxuries. That is not right, and he deserved much worse than what he got.[/QUOTE]

imagine what it's like when you violate human rights by torturing a guy for no good reason, then find out he didn't do it.

[popbob]

[QUOTE=eurocracy;41413173]He was [I]allegedly [/I]responsible.

Torture doesn't serve any purpose at all, it's pointless and cruel.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Cone;41413252]imagine what it's like when you violate human rights by torturing a guy for no good reason, then find out he didn't do it.[/QUOTE]

[url]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Khalid_Sheikh_Mohammed#List_of_confessions[/url]

[laserguided]

[QUOTE=popbob;41413286][url]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Khalid_Sheikh_Mohammed#List_of_confessions[/url][/QUOTE]

So he deserves to be tortured in your opinion?

[Sableye]

someone call dyson, i bet they'll want to launch a lawsuit

[popbob]

[QUOTE=laserguided;41413293]So he deserves to be tortured in your opinion?[/QUOTE]

No, but he doesn't deserve to have privileges that we don't even allow to people in our domestic prisons. I never said he should be tortured further.

[Sgt-NiallR]

[QUOTE=popbob;41413286][url]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Khalid_Sheikh_Mohammed#List_of_confessions[/url][/QUOTE]

The fact that he's been tortured at all makes me doubt the legitimacy of these confessions.

[Conely]

[QUOTE=popbob;41413286][url]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Khalid_Sheikh_Mohammed#List_of_confessions[/url][/QUOTE]

i'm not talking about this guy specifically, i'm thinking of the kind of precedent this sets - that you can torture a guy and violate human rights, just so long as you think he deserves it. do you really think your government is competent enough that everyone they do this to will be guilty? i sure as fuck don't.

[editline]11th July 2013[/editline]

[QUOTE=Sgt-NiallR;41413360]The fact that he's been tortured at all makes me doubt the legitimacy of these confessions.[/QUOTE]

this too

[Mingebox]

To be fair, he sounds like he's better off than a lot of US prisoners, apart from the waterboarding.

[catbarf]

[QUOTE=Laserbeams;41412718]I don't approve of any of this, but it's hard to feel sorry for a man like him[/QUOTE]

Which is why it's all the more important that we stand up for our principles. The measure of your commitment to an ideal isn't how you behave when that commitment is easy, it's how you behave when that commitment is difficult and conflicts with the temptation to do the wrong thing out of revenge or anger.

Nobody can rightfully claim to be against torture if they can turn around and justify it to themselves in the instances when it's actually used.

[QUOTE=popbob;41413286][URL]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Khalid_Sheikh_Mohammed#List_of_confessions[/URL][/QUOTE]

Information extracted through torture is notoriously useless and confessions made under duress are no more valid. If you saw a US soldier tortured by Al-Qaeda confess to his 'crimes' on TV, you'd probably dismiss the confession as meaningless because of the torture. It's no more legitimate when we do it.

[Zareox]

[QUOTE=Laserbeams;41412575]He is the alleged mastermind behind 9/11, he caused hundreds of deaths directly and tens of thousands indirectly. I have no sympathy for him whatsoever.[/QUOTE]

I find it funny the way you worded this. You have no sympathy for someone who is [B]allegedly[/B] the mastermind behind 9/11. I mean, not to say he did or didn't do it, but to have no sympathy for him because he may or may not have done something.

[Carne]

He has more hair on his shoulders than I have on my entire torso :v: