Syrian rebels execute 15 year old for blasphemy in Aleppo
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AMMAN (Reuters) - Members of an al Qaeda-linked Islamist group in the northern Syrian city of Aleppo executed a 15-year-old boy in front of his parents on Sunday as punishment for what the group regarded as a heretical comment, the Syrian Observatory for Human Rights said.
Mohammad Qataa was shot in the face and neck a day after being seized, said the pro-opposition monitoring group, which is based in Britain and uses a network of observers across Syria.
"The Observatory cannot ignore these crimes, which only serve the enemies of the revolution and the enemies of humanity," said the group's leader Rami Abdulrahman.
A photo released by the Observatory showed Qataa's face with his mouth and jaw bloodied and destroyed, as well as a bullet wound in his neck.
The Observatory, which based its report on witness accounts of the killing, said Qataa, who was a street vendor selling coffee in the working-class Shaar neighborhood, had been arguing with someone when he was overheard saying: "Even if the Prophet Mohammad comes down (from heaven), I will not become a believer."
The gunmen, who belong to the Islamic State of Iraq and Syria, a militant group that started off known as the Nusra Front, took Qatta on Saturday and brought him back alive in the early hours of Sunday to his wooden stand, with whiplash marks visible on his body.
"People gathered around him and a member of the fighting brigade said: 'Generous citizens of Aleppo, disbelieving in God is polytheism and cursing the prophet is a polytheism. Whoever curses even once will be punished like this."
"He then fired two bullets from an automatic rifle in view of the crowd and in front of the boy's mother and father, and got into a car and left," the report said.
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[url]http://news.yahoo.com/islamists-said-execute-15-old-syrian-boy-heresy-224113788.html[/url]
Are the sides of this war taking turns doing horrendous things? This is getting ridiculous.
what are the rebels even doing anymore
I think the term 'Rebels' applies to the "Rebels" as much as the term 'Anonymous' applies to "Anonymous".
What an idiotic thing to be killed over.
[QUOTE=Zenreon117;40968666]I think the term 'Rebels' applies to the "Rebels" as much as the term 'Anonymous' applies to "Anonymous".[/QUOTE]
Rebels - armed guys who aren't the government armed guys.
[QUOTE=Awesomecaek;40968706]Rebels - armed guys who aren't the government armed guys.[/QUOTE]
Yeah, but you can't just call them that as if they are some cohesive unit that is always representative of itself.
Same goes for "Anonymous"
Heh. Reminds me of that video of Belgian teens fighting in Syria that got in the news a few days back over here. They decapitated an elderly man because he was Shiite instead of Sunnite. It's fucking disgraceful.
At this point maybe it's best if both army's kill each other off
[QUOTE=theevilldeadII;40968771]At this point maybe it's best if both army's kill each other off[/QUOTE]
I've thought this from the very start. "Maybe we shouldn't intervene, giving religious extremists more weapons and putting them into a position of power eventually is going to end really really bad" so I dont think any country should intervene and just let these assholes tear eachother apart.
[QUOTE=theevilldeadII;40968771]At this point maybe it's best if both army's kill each other off[/QUOTE]
Well it is spilling over into Lebanon, which is obviously not good, and it may even draw Israel further into the conflict. To say intervention wouldn't help is ludicrous, it would help if it is done properly, such as Libya.
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[QUOTE=Fatfatfatty;40968804]I've thought this from the very start. "Maybe we shouldn't intervene, giving religious extremists more weapons and putting them into a position of power eventually is going to end really really bad" so I dont think any country should intervene and just let these assholes tear eachother apart.[/QUOTE]
You're simplifying it way too much.
[QUOTE=SpaceGhost;40968862]Well it is spilling over into Lebanon, which is obviously not good, and it may even draw Israel further into the conflict. To say intervention wouldn't help is ludicrous, it would help if it is done properly, such as Libya.
[editline]10th June 2013[/editline]
You're simplifying it way too much.[/QUOTE]
Ha, "properly". The US, UK, France and other NATO states used the 'no fly zone' to trick the UNSC into approving a bombing campaign against Gaddafi's regime. One sided intervention isn't proper when in Syria both sides have legitimate bases of support and international backing. Israel has clearly stated its goal is to stay out of the Syrian conflict, and that its red line is Hezbollah obtaining advanced weaponry (Which is unjust because Israel has no right to impose its will in foreign territory). I don't think Russia or China are going to fall for this shit anymore, and Russia is pretty much protecting Assad from foreign intervention. I don't think intervention is a good idea.
I wonder, if you drugged one of them up or managed to trick them into saying something like this, would they be shot, or shoot themselves? It's not something i really care about the answer to, i just want to know if they are being genuine, or just selfish and hunting for a reason to kill someone.
[QUOTE=Fatfatfatty;40968804]I've thought this from the very start. "Maybe we shouldn't intervene, giving religious extremists more weapons and putting them into a position of power eventually is going to end really really bad" so I dont think any country should intervene and just let these assholes tear eachother apart.[/QUOTE]
And what of the civilians caught in the middle? What about all the pointless lives that are taken in this conflict?
I'm not for military intervention, definitely not. But to allow innocents to be kill by both sides is just wrong. We should intervene, with aid, if not with violence.
This conflict will result in a localized superwar
Assumed it was Al-Nusra, was correct.
[editline]10th June 2013[/editline]
[QUOTE=zombini;40968885]I wonder, if you drugged one of them up or managed to trick them into saying something like this, would they be shot, or shoot themselves? It's not something i really care about the answer to, i just want to know if they are being genuine, or just selfish and hunting for a reason to kill someone.[/QUOTE]
They are genuine that is what makes them so hardcore. Faith is an interesting subject. They could also just be sadistic and bored but they are in Aleppo and Aleppo is far from boring and especially so in the weeks to come.
[QUOTE=laserguided;40968877]Ha, "properly". The US, UK, France and other NATO states used the 'no fly zone' to trick the UNSC into approving a bombing campaign against Gaddafi's regime. One sided intervention isn't proper when in Syria both sides have legitimate bases of support and international backing. Israel has clearly stated its goal is to stay out of the Syrian conflict, and that its red line is Hezbollah obtaining advanced weaponry (Which is unjust because Israel has no right to impose its will in foreign territory). I don't think Russia or China are going to fall for this shit anymore, and Russia is pretty much protecting Assad from foreign intervention. I don't think intervention is a good idea.[/QUOTE]
"Israel has stated its goal is to stay out of the Syrian conflict." What, by bombing Syrian military facilities? Assad is being backed for the wrong reasons, he started this whole mess by shooting unarmed civilians who were protesting. You're right, no one is going to do anything, remember how, chemical weapons would be "crossing the line?" Well they've been used who knows how many times now, and no ones does shit. Happy now that even more innocents are going to be slaughtered until this conflict ends?
[QUOTE=SpaceGhost;40969259]"Israel has stated its goal is to stay out of the Syrian conflict." What, by bombing Syrian military facilities? Assad is being backed for the wrong reasons, he started this whole mess by shooting unarmed civilians who were protesting. You're right, no one is going to do anything, remember how, chemical weapons would be "crossing the line?" Well they've been used who knows how many times now, and no ones does shit. Happy now that even more innocents are going to be slaughtered until this conflict ends?[/QUOTE]
What course of action would you prefer?
You know, all this time I'm wondering, what's the FSA doing? Weren't they pretty well organzed? Now I hear nothing about them.
[QUOTE=SpaceGhost;40969259]"Israel has stated its goal is to stay out of the Syrian conflict." What, by bombing Syrian military facilities? Assad is being backed for the wrong reasons, he started this whole mess by shooting unarmed civilians who were protesting. You're right, no one is going to do anything, remember how, chemical weapons would be "crossing the line?" Well they've been used who knows how many times now, and no ones does shit. Happy now that even more innocents are going to be slaughtered until this conflict ends?[/QUOTE]
Because only Assad used chemical weapons, right? See I think this whole discussion is utterly out of wack due to armchair-pundits blanket-judging a whole side. While the 'Rebels' have done horrible things, it isn't representative of it's 'leadership' nor it's overall body. While the 'Regime' may have done horrible things, it is still subject to the same human tendencies, augmented by secularism, and fueled by misunderstanding.
I don't think either side is wholly evil or wholly good, they are both comprised of many decent people who are acting according to their best judgment. I think it is no more fair to assume the 'regime' supports slaughter of innocents, than to assume that the 'rebels' support execution of heretics.
[QUOTE=Aman;40968991]Assumed it was Al-Nusra, was correct.[/QUOTE]
But it wasnt Al-Nusra.
Also its interesting to note the difference in details of the report, here's one by Al-Jazeera:
[QUOTE]"An [B]unidentified Islamist rebel group[/B] shot dead a 15-year-old child who worked as a coffee seller in Aleppo, after they accused him of blasphemy," said Syrian Observatory for Human Rights director Rami Abdel Rahman.
Abdel Rahman said the rebel group likely comprised foreigners.
"They spoke classical Arabic, not Syrian dialect," he said
[B]It is thought Kattaa's customer was trying to get a free coffee and the boy responded "Even if Muhammad comes down, I will not give it as debt."[/B]
This was misinterpreted by the foreign fighters who took it for blasphemy.
Activists have frequently lashed out against some rebel groups that have taken advantage of the security vacuum in Aleppo to commit rights abuses.[/QUOTE]
Probably some sort of operation to change public opinion.
[QUOTE=Rowtree;40968912]And what of the civilians caught in the middle? What about all the pointless lives that are taken in this conflict?
I'm not for military intervention, definitely not. But to allow innocents to be kill by both sides is just wrong. We should intervene, with aid, if not with violence.[/QUOTE]
Or we could remember that it's 5k miles from us and frankly doesn't mean shit for us and let it be. We've done that for 5k years. Why stop now? It's fairly obvious that trying to control everything that happens on earth is doing more harm than good.
[QUOTE=Fatfatfatty;40968804]I've thought this from the very start. "Maybe we shouldn't intervene, giving religious extremists more weapons and putting them into a position of power eventually is going to end really really bad" so I dont think any country should intervene and just let these assholes tear eachother apart.[/QUOTE]
That attitude is what has caused this problem to begin with
way to be on the right side of history geez
Its bosnia all over again
"uh no guys lets stay out of this"
200,000 civilians murdered
"maybe we should have done something sooner"
[QUOTE=Aman;40969265]What course of action would you prefer?[/QUOTE]
Let them fight it out, it's no one's responsibility but theirs, along with the fact that there is nothing the large countries could do to stop or lessen the length of fighting, and could only make it worse, as we've seen in many other cases around the world
[QUOTE=theevilldeadII;40968771]At this point maybe it's best if both army's kill each other off[/QUOTE]
Then we should give both sides one nuke each and they can have a duel.
That should do it.
Of course this was posted by laserguided
Hrmmmph
[QUOTE=Crumpet;40971263]Of course this was posted by laserguided
Hrmmmph[/QUOTE]
He deliberately ignores all the stories about the atrocities committed by the Government, which happen far more readily, and at a far greater scale.
Its actually a little disgusting how pro-assad he can be despite everything that has happened.
This is unbeneficial for both sides. Really sad to see. As a human, I don't want to see my other fellow human beings being subjected to islamic fundamentalism. I also don't want to see Assad blaming the innocents for not supporting the national army. Some nations are just immature.
[QUOTE=NoDachi;40971290]He deliberately ignores all the stories about the atrocities committed by the Government, which happen far more readily, and at a far greater scale.
Its actually a little disgusting how pro-assad he can be despite everything that has happened.[/QUOTE]
"pro-assad". How about you quit your bitching and post the articles yourself. Stop whining, this is a forum driven by contribution and this is the second time you bitched about this. I'm not obligated to cover anything, and I don't care what you think of that so whining isn't going to change anything.
I don't give a fuck what people think about the conflict, I post articles and instigate discussion because I find the articles interesting and seeing and debating other peoples view points. You keep acting as if there is some underlying conspiracy, if I wanted to change peoples opinions about this shit then I would editorialize the articles, which I never do and every article I post is knowingly plain. Most of the time I don't even bother bolding insanely retarded things because I post with the reasoning that they're going to click the link and fully read the article, which only happens 1/4 of the time it seems.
Secondly, I'm not pro-Assad. if I had my way I'd like to see him replaced with a communist society based on democracy and I'm not ignoring any of his sides atrocities. Just because I debate against comments I disagree with or think are flawed does not mean I'm pro-assad and I don't see how my opinion really matters at all because I'm not in any position of power at all in Syria.
[QUOTE=laserguided;40968877]Ha, "properly". The US, UK, France and other NATO states used the 'no fly zone' to trick the [b]UNSC[/b] into approving a bombing campaign against Gaddafi's regime. One sided intervention isn't proper when in Syria both sides have legitimate bases of support and international backing. Israel has clearly stated its goal is to stay out of the Syrian conflict, and that its red line is Hezbollah obtaining advanced weaponry (Which is unjust because Israel has no right to impose its will in foreign territory). I don't think Russia or China are going to fall for this shit anymore, and Russia is pretty much protecting Assad from foreign intervention. I don't think intervention is a good idea.[/QUOTE]
Real-life isn't Halo, son.
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