Apple removes Java from all OS X Web browsers - Polidicks

[QUOTE]Update is latest example of Apple distancing itself from the Oracle program. [/QUOTE] [IMG]http://cdn.arstechnica.net/wp-content/uploads/2012/10/java-placeholder.png[/IMG] [QUOTE]Apple has further distanced itself from Oracle's Java software framework with a Mac update released on Wednesday that removes a Java plugin from all Mac-compatible Web browsers. Users who install the update will find a browser placeholder when they encounter Web-based content that requires Java, according to Sophos security researcher Paul Ducklin. "If you want to run Java applets in your browser on Mac OS X, you need to install the official Oracle Java runtime on the system to do that," another blogger on ghacks.net wrote. "Yes, that runs them in parallel with Apple's version for Java. For users that need both, it means to take care of two versions of Java on the system from that moment on." Wednesday's update is the latest example of Apple distancing itself from Java. Apple stopped including pre-installed versions of Java in OS X and instead gives users the option to install the framework. More recently, Apple issued an update that turns off Java in the browser when users haven't used it recently. The move follows advice from a variety of sources, Ars included, that users who don't regularly use Java should uninstall it from their systems. That will decrease the attack surface hackers target when looking for software vulnerabilities that allow them to install keyloggers and other malicious software on the computers they target. Ars recognizes this advice has proved controversial in the past, particularly to developers whose livelihoods depend on the wide availability of the Java platform, so readers are encouraged to think and decide for themselves. Over the past five years or so, Java has emerged as one of the most widely exploited software packages. This is due to its wide availability on computers running Windows, OS X, and Linux and because of the ease hackers have in exploiting vulnerabilities. Calls to uninstall Java grew louder in August after word emerged that a critical Java vulnerability was under real-world attack. Within 24 hours of that discovery, attack code exploiting the vulnerability was added to BlackHole, a hack-by-numbers exploitation kit sold in underground forums. It took Oracle almost a week to fix the flaw, and even then, related critical bugs were discovered almost immediately.[/QUOTE] [url]http://arstechnica.com/apple/2012/10/apple-removes-java-from-all-os-x-web-browsers/[/url] interesting

But I thought Macs didn't get viruses?

[QUOTE=Zephyrs;38097422]But I thought Macs didn't get viruses?[/QUOTE] but it seems like Apple is doing to Java what they did to Flash a few years ago: they seem to want it dead

Apple is royally fucked if they turn their back on Java..

[QUOTE=Bradyns;38097458]Apple is royally fucked if they turn their back on Java..[/QUOTE] Honestly, I'm not so sure about that. In some environments java is becoming something of a taboo because of how hard oracle is fucking it over. It's long term prospects are somewhat open for debate. Even a couple colleges in my area are trying to determine if they should be using it in introductory coursework.

To be honest I'm a little pissed at Java too. I've had quite a few attacks because Java can't filter out good from bad properly.

I blame Oracle for all of this. Motherfuckers ruined Sun.

[QUOTE=Bradyns;38097458]Apple is royally fucked if they turn their back on Java..[/QUOTE] lol are you serious? litterally no software uses java in 2012 [editline]19th October 2012[/editline] theres still some business software on java, but minecraft is p much the only consumer application that still uses it.

time.gov is the only website i know of that uses a java browser applet (and you can still bypass it without java), which is what's affected by this change by apple. Not actual desktop applications which there aren't much of either.

~magic apple innovation is better than java~

[QUOTE=Amiga OS;38097627]What even uses Java anymore? I don't keep it installed on my PC's.[/QUOTE] There's a lot of embedded systems that run it. Blu-Ray players also use it.

So apples and coffee doesn't go together... Just like in real life. But you can drink coffee near a window though. Even in the zoo it is possible to drink coffee... I think.

This honestly is a good thing. It removes the plugin from the webbrowsers, but java is still installed on the macs. this means: - you can't run java apples on the web anymore. (wich doesen't really matter) - You can't catch some virus, when visiting a website wich uses some malicious java applet - You can still run java programs from the desktop. (eg. minecraft/jdownloader.../eclipse) - Java is still installed on your MAC, but the plugin is removed from the webbrowsers.

[QUOTE=Winner;38097673]As someone who programs almost entirely in Java, this makes me sad :([/QUOTE] You should learn C++ or C#. The syntax is very similar.

[QUOTE=MIPS;38097699]There's a lot of embedded systems that run it. Blu-Ray players also use it.[/QUOTE] Android apps are written in Java

Y'all aren't reading past the title. This is not a total removal and exile of Java (certainly not like how Apple dropped Flash), Apple has only chosen not to pre-install Java [I]in-browser[/I] by default — For browser use, it is an optional installation. With everything that uses Java (as mentioned above: Blu-Rays, phones), it's definitely not dying any time soon. Oracle does need to step up their game and focus on security though. [b]edit:[/b] Confused Java with JavaScript (worst name ever), it's been a few years. v:v:v Everything else still stands though.

[QUOTE=Bradyns;38097458]Apple is royally fucked if they turn their back on Java..[/QUOTE] i like how someone will declare Apple is royally fucked on like every single piece of news about them.

"It just works"

It was only a matter of time.

[QUOTE=Winner;38097673]As someone who programs almost entirely in Java, this makes me sad :([/QUOTE] I'm so sorry... ...that you're a Java programmer. [editline]19th October 2012[/editline] [QUOTE=3noneTwo;38098120] On the web, Java is still handing a large bundle of features that HTML5 can't handle just yet. Suites like [url=http://createjs.com]CreateJS[/url][/QUOTE] ...but that's JavaScript?

[QUOTE=gokiyono;38097701]So apples and coffee doesn't go together... Just like in real life. But you can drink coffee near a window though. Even in the zoo it is possible to drink coffee... I think.[/QUOTE] And if you leave an Apple in the Windows, the SUN will make it go bad.

After reading this thread it seems like no one in here (People saying what uses Java any more) realise Android exists.

[QUOTE=Amiga OS;38097627]What even uses Java anymore? I don't keep it installed on my PC's.[/QUOTE] Cisco ASDM software :(

[QUOTE=Amiga OS;38097627]What even uses Java anymore? I don't keep it installed on my PC's.[/QUOTE] keepvid.com [editline]19th October 2012[/editline] honestly thats the only website I know of right now that uses java, and sometimes it completely crashes my chrome and I have to kill the process. Kudos to Apple, I want others to follow them

[QUOTE=Winner;38098219]I started learning C++, but I switched to Java because I had the opportunity to take a Java course (but still plan to learn C#)[/QUOTE] I prefer c# over java because of the IDE, but java has platform independency advantage.

[QUOTE=Canary;38098336]After reading this thread it seems like no one in here (People saying what uses Java any more) realise Android exists.[/QUOTE] There's a very big difference between Java applets and Android.

I can't think of one good reason to have java plugins installed or enabled. It's just too much risk with so little payout. Hell even using the standard java virtual machine for java programs is retarded, JIT compile it or get lost. Running java on a computer with a connection to the internet is asking for trouble.

[QUOTE=PvtCupcakes;38097527]lol are you serious? litterally no software uses java in 2012 [editline]19th October 2012[/editline] theres still some business software on java, but minecraft is p much the only consumer application that still uses it.[/QUOTE] there's as many job opportunities for java as there is for C#

[QUOTE=Glype;38098484]I can't think of one good reason to have java plugins installed or enabled. It's just too much risk with so little payout. Hell even using the standard java virtual machine for java programs is retarded, JIT compile it or get lost. Running java on a computer with a connection to the internet is asking for trouble.[/QUOTE] But every modern JVM does JIT compilation.

[QUOTE=sixtyten;38098510]But every modern JVM does JIT compilation.[/QUOTE] There's no reason for the end user to have the java virtual machine installed.