Poisoned Russian spy linked to Trump dossier author: reports
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[QUOTE]The former Russian double agent poisoned with a nerve agent in an attempted murder last weekend was linked to the company that compiled the infamous ‘Trump dossier’ alleging the US President had compromising Russian connections, British media have reported.
The Telegraph reported that if the Kremlin believed Skripal helped compile the Trump dossier, it could provide a motive for the assassination attempt in Salisbury.
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[url]https://www.smh.com.au/world/europe/poisoned-russian-spy-linked-to-trump-dossier-author-reports-20180308-p4z3iy.html[/url]
not sure where this belonged since it's politics in a way
That's pretty spooky
Russia knows whats its doing with this assassination attempt. There is an exact fucking reason why they used a poisonous nerve agent in this attempt to kill the double agent. Its to send a warning to anyone else who is willing to release and expose corruption of the Russian government and its ties to the Trump Administration. This is by the book Mafia fear tactics. This shit will continue to happen all across Europe, North America, everywhere else in the World unless we step up and show we are not pawns to the Russian Oligarchs.
[QUOTE=bootv2;53187230]Normally I would agree, but this whole research into Trump's ties with Russia is making the separation between the left and the right even more prominent. Events like this make it even worse. It might be that Russia is trying to make this separation even bigger, hoping the huge tension will become too much.
I wouldn't be surprised if Russia would do this to one of their own spies to create more tension in the USA.[/QUOTE]
So what are we supposed to do, lay down and let Putin step on our balls?
Uber22 is right, the western world needs to step up and let Russia know we're not going to take this lying down, not through just words but through actions. Once we're rid of this festering pit of traitors in our midst, we should strike back at Russia economically through sanctions. Ultimately, what fuels them is money, and they'll learn their place if we threaten their bottom line.
[editline]8th March 2018[/editline]
Speaking of which, I'm still baffled how German politicians can think the pipeline with Russia is a good idea even remotely. They're directly pumping money to the very nation that is trying to destabilize them and an enemy to all democracies. Absolutely bizarre. Can anyone explain this to me?
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Speaking of which, I'm still baffled how German politicians can think the pipeline with Russia is a good idea even remotely. They're directly pumping money to the very nation that is trying to destabilize them and an enemy to all democracies. Absolutely bizarre. Can anyone explain this to me?[/QUOTE]
Maybe the german goverment is privy to pragmatic reasons you or i or anyone else is not aware of.
It is worth considering that while the current hot topic is russian meddling, perhaps this is not alarming to any major government because they have done the [I]exact[/I] same thing to other countries for decades. The US government is almost singlehandedly responsible for making sure most of latin america remains a violent and unstable shithole, for example.
I really wish one of Putin's own bodyguards goes awol and eliminates him. Putin is this timeline's Hitler, with the exception that he isn't causing mass genocide.
[QUOTE=phyton92;53187735]I really wish one of Putin's own bodyguards goes awol and eliminates him. Putin is this timeline's Hitler, with the exception that [B]he isn't causing mass genocide[/B].[/QUOTE]
That's questionable given that the Russian government has done nothing about the concentration camps for gay men in Chechnya.
[QUOTE=ForgottenKane;53187484]So what are we supposed to do, lay down and let Putin step on our balls?
Uber22 is right, the western world needs to step up and let Russia know we're not going to take this lying down, not through just words but through actions. Once we're rid of this festering pit of traitors in our midst, we should strike back at Russia economically through sanctions. Ultimately, what fuels them is money, and they'll learn their place if we threaten their bottom line.[/quote]
No. No no no no no. Stiff sanctions are why we're in this mess to begin with. Russia's doing this to get revenge on us for the sanctions we've already levied, to try to get relief from those sanctions, to try to prevent more from being levied, and laying even more down on top of that will only push them to turn the dial up on us even more.
Sanctions are not the solution to Russia. It's just going to make them get even worse. No, this is something for MI6, CIA, etc to take care of. Fight fire with fire. They want to try this shit on us, we turn around, do it right back to them. We sew the seeds of political discord amongst their populace, get Putin out of office and replaced by a complete tit, all while conveniently denying we did a god damn thing.
You know, exactly what they're doing to us.
[QUOTE=TestECull;53188078]No. No no no no no. Stiff sanctions are why we're in this mess to begin with. Russia's doing this to get revenge on us for the sanctions we've already levied, to try to get relief from those sanctions, to try to prevent more from being levied, and laying even more down on top of that will only push them to turn the dial up on us even more.
Sanctions are not the solution to Russia. It's just going to make them get even worse. No, this is something for MI6, CIA, etc to take care of. Fight fire with fire. They want to try this shit on us, we turn around, do it right back to them. We sew the seeds of political discord amongst their populace, get Putin out of office and replaced by a complete tit, all while conveniently denying we did a god damn thing.
You know, exactly what they're doing to us.[/QUOTE]
Ah yes, make tensions worse by adding more awful shit, which russia will then fight against harder
[QUOTE=TestECull;53188078]No. No no no no no. Stiff sanctions are why we're in this mess to begin with. Russia's doing this to get revenge on us for the sanctions we've already levied, to try to get relief from those sanctions, to try to prevent more from being levied, and laying even more down on top of that will only push them to turn the dial up on us even more.
Sanctions are not the solution to Russia. It's just going to make them get even worse. No, this is something for MI6, CIA, etc to take care of. Fight fire with fire. They want to try this shit on us, we turn around, do it right back to them. We sew the seeds of political discord amongst their populace, get Putin out of office and replaced by a complete tit, all while conveniently denying we did a god damn thing.
You know, exactly what they're doing to us.[/QUOTE]
Or we could do both. Not only massively penalize them for going about things the wrong way by making sanctions worse for the ones behind this shit but on top of that play their games as well.
[QUOTE=SIRIUS;53188090]Ah yes, make tensions worse by adding more awful shit, which russia will then fight against harder[/QUOTE]
"It will make tensions worse." A foreign power is actively infiltrating our hemisphere, sabotaging our governments and installing puppets, assassinating people on our soil who oppose them... how exactly are tensions going to get any worse lol?
We need to stop listening to people like you. I'm not trying to be mean, I'm pointing out that a limp-wristed approach will make us lose this fight.
[QUOTE=Blind Lulu;53188581]That's not exactly going to work out when Putin can just kill off any actual competition and/or declare himself the winner by 150% of the population.[/QUOTE]
I'm sure the CIA can arrange his motorcade to cross paths with a rocket powered dump truck if that's what it takes.
[QUOTE=Alice3173;53188093]Or we could do both. Not only massively penalize them for going about things the wrong way by making sanctions worse for the ones behind this shit but on top of that play their games as well.[/QUOTE]
Apparently you missed the part where 'This is their retaliation for sanctions'.
As in, we shouldn't levy even more sanctions, because they clearly aren't working. Definition of insanity is trying the same thing over and over again expecting different results...
[QUOTE=SIRIUS;53188090]Ah yes, make tensions worse by adding more awful shit, which russia will then fight against harder[/QUOTE]
At this point the only way we could make tensions worse would be parking all of our tanks on the Russian border with the guns pointed at Moscow. And honestly, we should be prepared to do exactly that if we can't get anything else through their thick heads. It shouldn't be our next step but we shouldn't write it off entirely, either.
[QUOTE=L'Citizen;53188044]That's questionable given that the Russian government has done nothing about the concentration camps for gay men in Chechnya.[/QUOTE]
You've got a point there. That is something I couldn't recall. Something has to be done about Putin's crownies. A total international block on import/exports. Removing them from the internet and isolating them via harsh means would send a message to the citizens of Russia. It might even start a revolution. There are alot of people already against the Russian government. Knowing the rich and powerful only care about money, it might be the steppingstone for Putin's own men to turn against him.
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Speaking of which, I'm still baffled how German politicians can think the pipeline with Russia is a good idea even remotely. They're directly pumping money to the very nation that is trying to destabilize them and an enemy to all democracies. Absolutely bizarre. Can anyone explain this to me?[/QUOTE]
Germany (and lots of europe) rely on Russia for oil, their economy is fairly dependant on it I think, this is why sanctions won't seriously work - nobody who matters can afford to do it.
Plus side of this is Russia's economy isn't v diverse - they're very reliant on oil/gas sales - so the threat of Europe getting energy independence via alternative energy would be fairly hefty.
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As in, we shouldn't levy even more sanctions, because they clearly aren't working. Definition of insanity is trying the same thing over and over again expecting different results...
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I don't know about that. Parts of the possible Trump-Russia link seem to focus on both easing sanctions and preventing further sanctions. If they're trying to get them undone, it's got to be hurting their bottom line.
[QUOTE=TestECull;53188078]No. No no no no no. Stiff sanctions are why we're in this mess to begin with. Russia's doing this to get revenge on us for the sanctions we've already levied, to try to get relief from those sanctions, to try to prevent more from being levied, and laying even more down on top of that will only push them to turn the dial up on us even more.
Sanctions are not the solution to Russia. It's just going to make them get even worse. No, this is something for MI6, CIA, etc to take care of. Fight fire with fire. They want to try this shit on us, we turn around, do it right back to them. We sew the seeds of political discord amongst their populace, get Putin out of office and replaced by a complete tit, all while conveniently denying we did a god damn thing.
You know, exactly what they're doing to us.[/QUOTE]
America did that whole 'Put in a complete tit as leader of Russia instead of anyone remotely decent' spiel before, ousting Gorbachev for that drunken imbecile Yeltsin, of which the American media bragged about half a decade after putting Yeltsin in charge. Which in turn caused the inner Russian power balance to change into a downward situation wherein Putin ended up getting elected not even a decade later, and consolidated his power from there onwards. What makes you think that the fucking CIA, the world experts in creating their own worst enemies within record fucking time is not going to cause that happening again if your insane plan actually gets the green light?
[QUOTE=TestECull;53188952]Apparently you missed the part where 'This is their retaliation for sanctions'.
As in, we shouldn't levy even more sanctions, because they clearly aren't working. Definition of insanity is trying the same thing over and over again expecting different results...[/QUOTE]
Apparently you missed the part where they're clearly having an effect since they're getting desperate. What we need to do now is pound it into their thick skulls that the only way out of further sanctions is to stop acting like the pieces of trash they are. The sanctions ARE having an effect. That's why they're getting aggressive. The solution to such a problem is not to be limp-wristed. That might work for other countries but it does not work against Russia in particular. Russia's government has a history of taking advantage of any lenience thrown their way. See: [url=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russian_reset]The Russian Reset[/url].
However if we keep tightening sanctions we strangle the finances of those in power who are causing this issue. This will of course negatively affect the Russian people which sucks but is unavoidable. But between that and playing Russia's own games it would be possible to destabilize the Russian oligarchy and hopefully bring ti crashing down.
[QUOTE=Pax;53189304]I don't know about that. Parts of the possible Trump-Russia link seem to focus on both easing sanctions and preventing further sanctions. If they're trying to get them undone, it's got to be hurting their bottom line.[/QUOTE]
That's because the sanctions are primarily levied against the oligarchs in power. They affect the Russian people as well but they directly affect the oligarchs far more to the point where the Russian oligarchs don't have access to much of their own foreign assets.
I can't find any big articles on it yet but they've just announced a huge amount of resources that are going into investigating this, involving 240+ counter terrorism police.
[QUOTE=Jordax;53190406]America did that whole 'Put in a complete tit as leader of Russia instead of anyone remotely decent' spiel before, ousting Gorbachev for that drunken imbecile Yeltsin, of which the American media bragged about half a decade after putting Yeltsin in charge. Which in turn caused the inner Russian power balance to change into a downward situation wherein Putin ended up getting elected not even a decade later, and consolidated his power from there onwards. What makes you think that the fucking CIA, the world experts in creating their own worst enemies within record fucking time is not going to cause that happening again if your insane plan actually gets the green light?[/QUOTE]
Why is it an insane plan when used by the CIA but perfectly reasonable and justified when used by Russia? Is it because you like Trump and the ends justifies the means?
The CIA is perfectly capable of infiltrating the [URL="https://vk.com/"]Russian version of Facebook, VK[/URL], which is extremely popular and used in Russia by regular people, and utilizing advertisements and popular pages masquerading as Russian citizens to sew misinformation and distrust against the Russian government. They could very easily influence the public's favor toward an opposition party with favorable ideals toward America - who, in all likelihood, would happily partake in the opportunity to overthrow Putin - and topple Putin's regime at election time.
The problem? The CIA has absolutely zero incentive and/or directive to do any such thing due to the fact that the current director of the CIA is Mike Pompeo, [URL="http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/mike-pompeo-cia-impartiality-doubts-donald-trump-national-security-democratic-national-committee-a8043441.html"]who is highly biased in favor of Trump[/URL] as he is a huge fan and [URL="https://i.imgur.com/2px0BzD.png"]a Republican[/URL].
The CIA therefore will not partake in any action that acknowledges that Russia in fact altered the outcome of the 2016 election via the aforementioned means using Facebook ads, Facebook pages with millions of followers, Twitter bots, and fake Twitter personalities masquerading as American citizens - all spouting propaganda and misinformation to sway the election in favor of Trump, as well as demonizing and smearing Clinton. They will not do this unless Trump himself orders it. Which is unfortunate, but at least it makes sense.
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