• Germany 'can take 500,000 asylum seekers a year'
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[quote]Germany can cope with at least 500,000 asylum seekers a year for several years, Vice Chancellor Sigmar Gabriel has said. Germany expects more than 800,000 asylum-seekers in 2015 alone - four times the 2014 figure. Mr Gabriel reiterated that other EU states should share the burden. ... Despite the huge influx expected into Germany this year, Mr Gabriel said it was prepared for more in the longer term. "I believe we could certainly deal with something in the order of a half a million for several years," he said in an interview with Germany's public ZDF television. But he also urged other members of the EU to play their part. The EU is due to unveil proposals on Wednesday to distribute 160,000 refugees among member states on a mandatory basis. ... The UNHCR meanwhile highlighted the growing scale of the migrant issue, releasing new figures that suggest it expects 400,000 migrants to arrive in Europe by sea in 2015. The majority are Syrian, and the UN says many are now seeking a better life in Europe because of poor conditions in refugee camps in Jordan and Lebanon - caused in part because of a drastic shortfall in multilateral aid programmes. The UN's special representative for migration, Peter Sutherland, said several wealthy countries, such as the US and Gulf states, had in fact been generous in contributing financially to help improve the lives of Syrians in countries neighbouring Syria. But this was no substitute for taking migrants in. "Buying your way out of this is not satisfactory," he said.[/quote] [url]http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-34185353[/url]
Rip Europe
It'll be interesting how they will react to it. Only time will tell, but I expect pains that might push the current sentiments regarding right leaning conservatism to get more prominent.
Meanwhile the UK has announced their generous offer of accepting 20.000 a year, while Sweden are currently recieving about 3500 a week (wether they want to or not). Hopefully the EU is gonna figure something out regarding this, or there'll not be anything left for anyone. The major issue here is that these people are seeking asylum, and when granted this, they often end up NOT going back to their origin country as was intended, but instead obtain citizenship and continue their lives in whatever country they sought asylum.
Irish education in a nutshell. [IMG]http://oi59.tinypic.com/108bod3.jpg[/IMG]
Why are they even doing this. No sane doctor would believe that he would heal 100% of his patients to full health.
500.000 a year. Now include the number of "normal" immigrants of 300.000-400.000 a year and you are at about 8-900.000 - every single year. That's almost as much as the USA gets and we have about a fourth of its population. [QUOTE=Dark RaveN;48643962]Why are they even doing this. No sane doctor would believe that he would heal 100% of his patients to full health.[/QUOTE]Because you can't disagree with them, you would immediately be a racist bastard who's worse than Hitler. They can pretty much do whatever they want when it comes to stuff like this
Why 500,000 a year? Shit man, how about you increase funding to those Jordanian and Lebanese camps? I declare 2015 the year of the political correctness
Sad to see Europe going down the tubes. Hopefully your attitudes towards this shit will change soon, it's ridiculous.
Fucking hell.
this does not seem economically sustainable in anything but a very short run, even for a place as prosperous as germany
Canada only has a population of like 35million or so. and we have a lot of open land, we can take millions, but they might get cold since the open land is like in the territories. building some camps in Canada wouldn't be the worst idea. like North Sask area.
[QUOTE=RudeMcRude;48644066]Canada only has a population of like 35million or so. and we have a lot of open land, we can take millions, but they might get cold since the open land is like in the territories. building some camps in Canada wouldn't be the worst idea. like North Sask area.[/QUOTE] Yeah, and a lot of your open land is difficult/impossible to access without the proper equipment or is uninhabitable.
Seems Germany are trying to plan around their lack of birth rate; it's dipped dramatically recently to the point where it's expected to shrink from 80 million in 2013 to 70 million in 2060 as well as the dependency rating going way up as more and more people live to be older. It's likely the migrants are going to be an attempt at keeping a workforce for Germany intact in the years to come.
[QUOTE=RudeMcRude;48644066]Canada only has a population of like 35million or so. and we have a lot of open land, we can take millions, but they might get cold since the open land is like in the territories. building some camps in Canada wouldn't be the worst idea. like North Sask area.[/QUOTE] I don't mean to sound insensitive but I don't wish nor accept people coming over in great numbers through migration, legal or illegal.
please dont send them our way we have enough as it is.
There are plenty of livable Muslim majority places in Central Asia or East Africa that could benefit from a larger workforce. Why Europe?
This combined with the high potential for attacks by ISIS sleeper agents, such as random beheadings like what happened in the UK, will probably drive anti-immigration deeply. Question is, what happens then? The countries of the world have a responsibility to help refugees, but Germany's acceptance of this situation has set an awful precedent for those with motives other than asylum seeking. [editline]9th September 2015[/editline] [QUOTE=RockmanYoshi;48644125]There are plenty of livable Muslim majority places in Central Asia or East Africa that could benefit from a larger workforce. Why Europe?[/QUOTE] Because why go to impoverished Central Asia when you can go to developed and wealthy Europe?
[QUOTE=RockmanYoshi;48644125]There are plenty of livable Muslim majority places in Central Asia or East Africa that could benefit from a larger workforce. Why Europe?[/QUOTE] Because they know Asians/Africans wouldn't put up with all their shit. It doesn't help that most European countries are full of pushovers that will bend over in the name of social justice and white guilt either.
Don't worry guys all these unskilled refugees are good for the economy and won't need any handouts at all :downs:
[QUOTE=Big Johnson;48644165]Don't worry guys all these unskilled refugees are good for the economy and won't need any handouts at all :downs:[/QUOTE] We don't really know much about these people. One refugee could be Abdul the hydraulic engineer, the other could be Sayyid the bomb maker.
Is it possible that all countries populations will split into two groups? Where one group (non refugees) will hate and look down at another group (refugees) and it will become like one of those movies set in future where one group lives in Slums and other is some high class shit population living with decent conditions? This feels like beginning of such scenario.
[QUOTE=RockmanYoshi;48644188]We don't really know much about these people. One refugee could be Abdul the hydraulic engineer, the other could be Sayyid the bomb maker.[/QUOTE] or maybe it's Hakim the father whose had his house bombed and lost his wife and daughter and wants his son to have a better life than he did
[QUOTE=Headhumpy;48644213]or maybe it's Hakim the father whose had his house bombed and lost his wife and daughter and wants his son to have a better life than he did[/QUOTE] Or maybe it's [url=http://facepunch.com/showthread.php?t=1484829]Osama Ahmed the Iraqi heading to Greece with five friends because it's 'nonsense to stay in Iraq when there is a chance to go'.[/url]
[QUOTE=Headhumpy;48644213]or maybe it's Hakim the father whose had his house bombed and lost his wife and daughter and wants his son to have a better life than he did[/QUOTE] Yeah but 0.01% of them are terrorists! That means we can't let [I]anyone[/I] in! [editline]9th September 2015[/editline] Just check this [url=www.pulledoutofmyarse.com]source[/url]!
While I'm alright with granting people Asylum I think that such numbers can be a burden. Asylum just doesn't end with people being here - they need to be integrated as well. That's a process which takes time and effort. And of course, there's a chance of terrorists coming here. Bit closing the borders for everyone because of such a chance would be a catastrophe for everyone.
With these numbers its possible that a few isis or other group members slip past, hopefully not because they could start the fire in the powder keg. Last thing we need now is a terror strike in the middle of this. It would give more and more power to rightwing and ruin everything for the real refugees just trying to escape conflict. And possibly ruin everything for the people already integrated with society. All eyes are on the refugees now... Let's all hope for the best.
What would happen if some ISIS members slipped past with the flow of migrants? It's not like they would spread propaganda in EU, gather thousands of people then unfold war in middle of continent right?
[QUOTE=Big Johnson;48644165]Don't worry guys all these unskilled refugees are good for the economy and won't need any handouts at all :downs:[/QUOTE] Except most of them are skilled or young enough to get skilled. [editline]9th September 2015[/editline] [QUOTE=arleitiss;48644445]What would happen if some ISIS members slipped past with the flow of migrants? It's not like they would spread propaganda in EU, gather thousands of people then unfold war in middle of continent right?[/QUOTE] No but Salafistic propaganda has already tried to be handed out to Refugee camos under the guise of "donations"
Germany wants 160'000 refugees to be distributed across European states. This simply isn't going to work, for two reasons: 1.) Most other EU countries, like the Netherlands, Italy, Greece etc. say that they already are overburdened with a few thousand refugees. You also have the Eastern European states, 4 of which have already decided not to accept any proposals for splitting up refugees among countries. Convincing them to take in more will be really difficult, and it may even destabilize the EU as a union if it goes badly. 2.) Even if they manage to get every country to agree with the split, there's one demographic they won't be able to tie over, and that's the refugees themselves. You're not going to make them live in places like Hungary or Greece without using force, and since the Germany has taken the humanitarian path, they obviously won't resort to that option.
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