Corruption At Its Best - ATF Assisted Smuggling Of Thousands Guns Across The US-Mex Border - Polidicks

[url]http://www.cbsnews.com/video/watch/?id=7358389n&tag=watchnow[/url] [quote=(CBS News)] WASHINGTON - Federal agent John Dodson says what he was asked to do was beyond belief. He was intentionally letting guns go to Mexico? "Yes ma'am," Dodson told CBS News. "The agency was." An Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms senior agent assigned to the Phoenix office in 2010, Dodson's job is to stop gun trafficking across the border. Instead, he says he was ordered to sit by and watch it happen. Investigators call the tactic letting guns "walk." In this case, walking into the hands of criminals who would use them in Mexico and the United States. Sharyl Attkisson's original "Gunrunner" report Center for Public Integrity report Dodson's bosses say that never happened. Now, he's risking his job to go public. "I'm boots on the ground in Phoenix, telling you we've been doing it every day since I've been here," he said. "Here I am. Tell me I didn't do the things that I did. Tell me you didn't order me to do the things I did. Tell me it didn't happen. Now you have a name on it. You have a face to put with it. Here I am. Someone now, tell me it didn't happen." Agent Dodson and other sources say the gun walking strategy was approved all the way up to the Justice Department. The idea was to see where the guns ended up, build a big case and take down a cartel. And it was all kept secret from Mexico. ATF named the case "Fast and Furious." Surveillance video obtained by CBS News shows suspected drug cartel suppliers carrying boxes of weapons to their cars at a Phoenix gun shop. The long boxes shown in the video being loaded in were AK-47-type assault rifles. So it turns out ATF not only allowed it - they videotaped it. Documents show the inevitable result: The guns that ATF let go began showing up at crime scenes in Mexico. And as ATF stood by watching thousands of weapons hit the streets... the Fast and Furious group supervisor noted the escalating Mexican violence. One e-mail noted, "958 killed in March 2010 ... most violent month since 2005." The same e-mail notes: "Our subjects purchased 359 firearms during March alone," including "numerous Barrett .50 caliber rifles." Dodson feels that ATF was partly to blame for the escalating violence in Mexico and on the border. "I even asked them if they could see the correlation between the two," he said. "The more our guys buy, the more violence we're having down there." Senior agents including Dodson told CBS News they confronted their supervisors over and over. Their answer, according to Dodson, was, "If you're going to make an omelette, you've got to break some eggs." There was so much opposition to the gun walking, that an ATF supervisor issued an e-mail noting a "schism" among the agents. "Whether you care or not people of rank and authority at HQ are paying close attention to this case...we are doing what they envisioned.... If you don't think this is fun you're in the wrong line of work... Maybe the Maricopa County jail is hiring detention officers and you can get $30,000 ... to serve lunch to inmates..." "We just knew it wasn't going to end well. There's just no way it could," Dodson said. On Dec. 14, 2010, Border Patrol Agent Brian Terry was gunned down. Dodson got the bad news from a colleague. According to Dodson, "They said, 'Did you hear about the border patrol agent?' And I said, 'Yeah.' And they said 'Well it was one of the Fast and Furious guns.' There's not really much you can say after that." Two assault rifles ATF had let go nearly a year before were found at Terry's murder. Dodson said, "I felt guilty. I mean it's crushing. I don't know how to explain it." Sen. Grassley began investigating after his office spoke to Dodson and a dozen other ATF sources -- all telling the same story. Read Sen. Grassley's letter to the attorney general The response was "practically zilch," Grassley said. "From the standpoint that documents we want - we have not gotten them. I think it's a case of stonewalling." Dodson said he hopes that speaking out helps Terry's family. They haven't been told much of anything about his murder - or where the bullet came from. "First of all, I'd tell them that I'm sorry. Second of all, I'd tell them I've done everything that I can for them to get the truth," Dodson said. "After this, I don't know what else I can do. But I hope they get it." Dodson said they never did take down a drug cartels. However, he said thousands of Fast and Furious weapons are still out there and will be claiming victims on both sides of the border for years to come. Late tonight, the ATF said it will convene a panel to look into its national firearms trafficking strategy. But it refused to comment specifically on Sharyl's report. Statement from Kenneth E. Melson, Acting Director, Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives: "The Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives (ATF) will ask a multi-disciplinary panel of law enforcement professionals to review the bureau's current firearms trafficking strategies employed by field division managers and special agents. This review will enable ATF to maximize its effectiveness when undertaking complex firearms trafficking investigations and prosecutions. It will support the goals of ATF to stem the illegal flow of firearms to Mexico and combat firearms trafficking in the United States."[/quote] [url]http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2011/03/03/eveningnews/main20039031.shtml?tag=contentBody;featuredPost-PE[/url] Hurr it's the U.S. gun laws that's the problem

Didn't everyone just assume this by now

They scored us some sweet firearms, now they just need to get us some smokes and booze.

this isnt really corruption because they have a specific goal which is for the greater good still this is a bad strategy, however

oh god the part of my brain that processes irony just stroked out nothing is ironic anymore

[QUOTE=s0beit;28416204]oh god the part of my brain that processes irony just stroked out nothing is ironic anymore[/QUOTE] It's just fucked up now.

Bravo ATF. Real nice fuck up.

ATF needs to be either seriously re-organized or dismantled entirely, they have too many major fuckup's on their plate as it is and this pretty much takes the cake.

"This just in. ATF selling confiscated drugs back into the market for profit." My god, I want to beat the fucking ATF and justice department to hell and back. The best way to stop these cartels? Legalize the fucking drugs they sell. The moment you legalize them, the moment these cartels will lose profits and slowly dissolve. It's blatantly obvious that the only reason why they haven't legalized them yet is because the agencies that deal with the cartels are making fucking bank between trying to "stop" them and all the other shit they do. I can guarantee that they accept bribes and the system is MUCH MORE corrupt than we actually see and hear about. It's absolutely sickening. It's not about public safety or health like they preach. It's about their fucking money and power. I can bet you the cartels are the other reason why the shit remains illegal too. They "lobby" (completely bribe) the law enforcement in the areas surrounding the border, who in turn claim how it's so fucking important to keep the shit illegal. The more "illegal" the shit is, the more profit these cartels make. You know what else I wouldn't be surprised about? If the ATF was working [i]directly[/i] with the cartels to sell the product. Think about it. It's the perfect way to get it over the border. The ATF comes and "confiscates it" thereby bring it to our side where it can be pushed into the market. It also creates a sense of limited supply, thereby helping bump up the price. All the places in America that are raided by the ATF? Well, they are obviously local growers directly competing with the cartels.

lol your paranoia rivals that of glenn beck

[QUOTE=Master117;28417561]"This just in. ATF selling confiscated drugs back into the market for profit." My god, I want to beat the fucking ATF and justice department to hell and back. The best way to stop these cartels? Legalize the fucking drugs they sell. The moment you legalize them, the moment these cartels will lose profits and slowly dissolve. It's blatantly obvious that the only reason why they haven't legalized them yet is because the agencies that deal with the cartels are making fucking bank between trying to "stop" them and all the other shit they do. I can guarantee that they accept bribes and the system is MUCH MORE corrupt than we actually see and hear about. It's absolutely sickening. It's not about public safety or health like they preach. It's about their fucking money and power. I can bet you the cartels are the other reason why the shit remains illegal too. They "lobby" (completely bribe) the law enforcement in the areas surrounding the border, who in turn claim how it's so fucking important to keep the shit illegal. The more "illegal" the shit is, the more profit these cartels make. You know what else I wouldn't be surprised about? If the ATF was working [i]directly[/i] with the cartels to sell the product. Think about it. It's the perfect way to get it over the border. The ATF comes and "confiscates it" thereby bring it to our side where it can be pushed into the market. It also creates a sense of limited supply, thereby helping bump up the price. All the places in America that are raided by the ATF? Well, they are obviously local growers directly competing with the cartels.[/QUOTE] If you legalize the drugs, the cartels will become companies. Why would they "slowly dissolve" when they can still make a massive profit? I mean, they have all the manufacturing and command structure set up like a business! I'm just saying, not like I don't want them legalized.

So ATF helps smuggle stuff and then lets US gun owners take the blame?

[QUOTE=Explosions;28421657]If you legalize the drugs, the cartels will become companies. Why would they "slowly dissolve" when they can still make a massive profit? I mean, they have all the manufacturing and command structure set up like a business! I'm just saying, not like I don't want them legalized.[/QUOTE] Because if it's legalized, everyone knows it'll be taxed to hell and back, and weed will be the new moonshine. Thus allowing them to be underground illegal organizations.

[QUOTE=dogmachines;28421703]So ATF helps smuggle stuff and then lets US gun owners take the blame?[/QUOTE] the point was to track guns supposedly for the sake of building a case against cartels [QUOTE=Explosions;28421657]If you legalize the drugs, the cartels will become companies. Why would they "slowly dissolve" when they can still make a massive profit? I mean, they have all the manufacturing and command structure set up like a business! I'm just saying, not like I don't want them legalized.[/QUOTE] well the companies would probably be working legally now, and if not then they would dissolve. [editline]4th March 2011[/editline] [QUOTE=Emperor Scorpious II;28421711]Because if it's legalized, everyone knows it'll be taxed to hell and back, and weed will be the new moonshine. Thus allowing them to be underground illegal organizations.[/QUOTE] if weed was legal it would include the ability to grow for personal usage

[QUOTE=yawmwen;28421738] if weed was legal it would include the ability to grow for personal usage[/QUOTE] If weed was legal, it would be regulated like shit. I really don't understand why people assume that once it's legalized, it'll be "free for all" to have and grow.

[QUOTE=Emperor Scorpious II;28421777]If weed was legal, it would be regulated like shit. I really don't understand why people assume that once it's legalized, it'll be "free for all" to have and grow.[/QUOTE] because every bill that has been proposed or implemented in the united states says personal growth is allowed.

It reminds me of the CIA drug smuggling in the 80's. Where the fuck is the oversight for the oversight?

[QUOTE=Master117;28417561]"This just in. ATF selling confiscated drugs back into the market for profit." My god, I want to beat the fucking ATF and justice department to hell and back. The best way to stop these cartels? Legalize the fucking drugs they sell. The moment you legalize them, the moment these cartels will lose profits and slowly dissolve. It's blatantly obvious that the only reason why they haven't legalized them yet is because the agencies that deal with the cartels are making fucking bank between trying to "stop" them and all the other shit they do. I can guarantee that they accept bribes and the system is MUCH MORE corrupt than we actually see and hear about. It's absolutely sickening. It's not about public safety or health like they preach. It's about their fucking money and power. I can bet you the cartels are the other reason why the shit remains illegal too. They "lobby" (completely bribe) the law enforcement in the areas surrounding the border, who in turn claim how it's so fucking important to keep the shit illegal. The more "illegal" the shit is, the more profit these cartels make. You know what else I wouldn't be surprised about? If the ATF was working [i]directly[/i] with the cartels to sell the product. Think about it. It's the perfect way to get it over the border. The ATF comes and "confiscates it" thereby bring it to our side where it can be pushed into the market. It also creates a sense of limited supply, thereby helping bump up the price. All the places in America that are raided by the ATF? Well, they are obviously local growers directly competing with the cartels.[/QUOTE] I'm not sure if you read it but. . . This thread is about gun running.

[QUOTE=Aw_Hell;28423695]I'm not sure if you read it but. . . This thread is about gun running.[/QUOTE] not sure if you noticed but cartels sell drugs to get all their money

[QUOTE=Kybalt;28423852]not sure if you noticed but cartels sell drugs to get all their money[/QUOTE] Hhe took an article about serious government issues and reduced it to a bunch of kids agruing about legalizing drugs. Like we need another thread full of preachy 15 year olds.

ATF? I'm not surprised. [editline]4th March 2011[/editline] Also I wonder who had this idea.

[QUOTE=Aw_Hell;28424034]Hhe took an article about serious government issues and reduced it to a bunch of kids agruing about legalizing drugs. Like we need another thread full of preachy 15 year olds.[/QUOTE] Cause legalization is totally a joke.

[QUOTE=hegrec;28424571]Cause legalization is totally a joke.[/QUOTE] Never said it was a joke, just saying it happens every time without fail

Oh man I would be absolutely fuming at the ATF if I lost a loved one to one of these walked guns.

It wasn't "assisting" or corruption, it was just a bad idea.

[QUOTE=zombieslaya;28417214]ATF needs to be either seriously re-organized or dismantled entirely, they have too many major fuckup's on their plate as it is and this pretty much takes the cake.[/QUOTE] Not to mention they are redundant with the FBI, to the point that they argue constantly over who has jurisdiction in cases...

I like how the government likes to keep like...10 separate intelligence/internal law enforcement agencies instead of just combining them into one efficient machine. Today they're all just doing their own thing and refusing to help one another.

[QUOTE=CabooseRvB;28429440]I like how the government likes to keep like...10 separate intelligence/internal law enforcement agencies instead of just combining them into one efficient machine. Today they're all just doing their own thing and refusing to help one another.[/QUOTE] in some cases its more efficient to split it up fbi is there to handle federal cases only, they dont have to waste time or money on smaller shit that the local agencies should be doing, for instance

[QUOTE=yawmwen;28429470]in some cases its more efficient to split it up fbi is there to handle federal cases only, they dont have to waste time or money on smaller shit that the local agencies should be doing, for instance[/QUOTE] I don't know. The ATF sounds pretty redundant, don't we already have the DEA?

[QUOTE=CabooseRvB;28429745]I don't know. The ATF sounds pretty redundant, don't we already have the DEA?[/QUOTE] atf and homeland security are both redundant agencies i never said all government agencies are more efficient, im saying that in many cases we need seperate agencies instead of a single agency