EU new 'ancillary copyright' law - Polidicks

[QUOTE] Today, a draft of the copyright law was leaked and it confirms the worst. The EU Commission is going ahead with giving unprecedented powers to publishing giants – including the the Link Tax – giving them the ability to charge fees when snippets of text are used in hyperlinks. [/QUOTE] [QUOTE] The laws backfired, providing not a single additional cent to publishers (let alone journalists) as aggregators shut down or received free licenses from publishers faced with drops in their website traffic [/QUOTE] Sources: [IMG_THUMB]https://openmedia.org/sites/default/files/styles/article_breakpoints_theme_openmedia_xsmall_4x/public/article_images/gunter.jpg?itok=tp8xB4uc&timestamp=1462477951[/IMG_THUMB] [url]https://openmedia.org/en/what-heck-ancillary-copyright-and-why-do-we-call-it-link-tax[/url] [url]http://ipkitten.blogspot.si/2016/08/super-kat-exclusive-heres-draft.html[/url] [url]http://ancillarycopyright.eu/news/2016-08-31/it-could-not-be-worse-draft-proposal-copyright-directive-leaked[/url]

copyright law: that thing that always threatens to turn a free society into a subjegated one there hasnt been a bill yet in the world that hasnt been an expansion of copyright protections

What the fuck?

[QUOTE=Sableye;50983754]copyright law: that thing that always threatens to turn a free society into a subjegated one[/QUOTE] It's also incredibly arbitrary and retarded when you think about it. There's only a difference between a pepsi and an apple pie because we say there is. We still need it though to keep society going, but it doesn't need to keep being made more and more powerful.

[QUOTE=thelurker1234;50983766] We still need it though to keep society going, but it doesn't need to keep being made more and more powerful.[/QUOTE] How does people parasitically hording rights to ideas keep society going?

[QUOTE=zakedodead;50983941]How does people parasitically hording rights to ideas keep society going?[/QUOTE] Because people need to sell their creations to others in order to live, and temporarily owning the exclusive rights to do so helps them to do that.

[QUOTE=thelurker1234;50984037]Because people need to sell their creations to others in order to live, and temporarily owning the exclusive rights to do so helps them to do that.[/QUOTE] They dont, you are narrating a meme on the basis that others said it before you but i doubt you have any scientific study on that.

[QUOTE=thelurker1234;50984037]Because people need to sell their creations to others in order to live, and temporarily owning the exclusive rights to do so helps them to do that.[/QUOTE] Increasing obsolete economic theory applied to a new information based economy. Yawnosaurus

This is the kind of shit that put me off the EU.

[QUOTE=Blizzerd;50984051]They dont, you are narrating a meme on the basis that others said it before you but i doubt you have any scientific study on that.[/QUOTE] Ah, you're right. That would be interesting to actually test this, any studies that have done this before? Or historical evidence as well

[QUOTE=David29;50984100]This is the kind of shit that put me off the EU.[/QUOTE] It's a draft. Retarded law drafts are unavoidable. And for the record, remember TTIP? EU pretty much killed it off. A lot of smaller countries could be easily pressured by the US into accepting the terms, but with the EU you need to pressure pretty much every single country at the same time. If one of them doesn't like the deal, you're kinda about to run into a wall. The minute Britain formally exits the EU (if it will even happen at this point) you can be sure as hell there will be suddenly a new TTIP-like deal floating around and if your leaders take the bait you won't have Poland around to say "hey that deal is shit, i'm gonna veto it to hell".

[QUOTE=thelurker1234;50983766]There's only a difference between a pepsi and an apple pie because we say there is.[/QUOTE] not certain what you mean by this

Here's a solution - Leave the EU. If people leave, they might change their minds and stop doing shit like this already. Or just, you know, disband it entirely. It shouldn't have the power to do this.

[QUOTE=thelurker1234;50984101]Ah, you're right. That would be interesting to actually test this, any studies that have done this before? Or historical evidence as well[/QUOTE] Gilbert and Sullivan. The famous, historical acting company had a huge problem competing with American Vaudeville. Why? When G&S would open a play, like Pirates of Pesanzce, in London, spies and agents from all of the Broadway companies would be in the house. Some would copy down every line of dialogue, word of sung music and acting prompt they could think of. Others would go so far as to bribe actors for their scripts, before, after or even sometimes during the show (particularly understudies who were paid little and unlikely to see the stage anyway.) Then these spies would return to New York. They would cut every corner it took to be the first to put on their own edition of the show, and it would be a smash hit, because it was a genuinely good play made by [I]somebody else.[/I] By the time G&S would come to America to tour their 'new' play, no audience wanted to see it. They'd heard the songs, seen the dances, and laughed at all the jokes more than enough. There are other incidents like this in history, of course. Bread Fraud was a tremendous crime in Ancient Rome. It was easy to pass off stale, undercut, badly cooked, or otherwise 'bad' bread as being from a good baker. Since the bread of those ages were large, semi-circular crust-covered loafs the only way to find out you'd been duped was to crack the loaf open (which understandably, isn't what you want to do in the middle of grocery shopping.) The problem got so bad that Rome issued and upheld a lengthy system of "Bread Stamps," real stamps that bakers were to use on their bread before cooking it to prove it's provenance. That way if you wanted to buy bread, you could check where it came from before hand. (Which had the double-benefit of letting you find unscrupulous bakers who themselves were selling bad bread.) Today, we have a huge problem with bootleg Marlboro cigarettes, for instance, coming from China. These bootlegs enter the market through the grey market (mass buyers and distributors turning a blind eye on the origin of the product). They're often packed with chemicals even more toxic and dangerous than a regular cigarette, sometimes including aluminum powder, since it makes the low-grade, potentially fake tobacco burn more consistently. With no copyright system, there would be no way to tell, for instance, whether the Marlboro you bought came from the Marlboro production plant in Virginia, or a basement in Hong Kong. We have far from "outgrown" the copyright system. The issue we face is not the idea of the system itself, but the way it is practiced and the way that lawmakers continue to expand it in ways that stifle competition, altogether without respect for the simple intent that the system protects the creator and guarantees the brand.

Copyright... What an awful idea in today's age. Think of all the advancements being spoiled because of it...

[QUOTE=Murkrow;50984459]It's a draft. Retarded law drafts are unavoidable. And for the record, remember TTIP? EU pretty much killed it off. A lot of smaller countries could be easily pressured by the US into accepting the terms, but with the EU you need to pressure pretty much every single country at the same time. If one of them doesn't like the deal, you're kinda about to run into a wall. The minute Britain formally exits the EU (if it will even happen at this point) you can be sure as hell there will be suddenly a new TTIP-like deal floating around and if your leaders take the bait you won't have Poland around to say "hey that deal is shit, i'm gonna veto it to hell".[/QUOTE] The sweet irony that all those tards who voted to leave the EU on the pretense of sovereignty will have TTIP forced upon them. I'd laugh if they hadn't cast off with me on board.

Correct me if I'm wrong but wouldn't this law allow publishers to attack torrenting sites directly? It seems they are expanding copyright to affect sites who aggregate URLs leading to copyrighted content in general.

[QUOTE=space1;50987424] Or just, you know, disband it entirely. It shouldn't have the power to do this.[/QUOTE] they don't, it hasn't gone through the parliament yet, so hopefully the parliament will turn around and say "fuck off" this sounds like a terrible law, so hopefully that's what they'll do - somewhat disappointing as the EU has been p.good on the subject of the internet, but i guess this commission isn't

[QUOTE=Blizzerd;50984051]They dont, you are narrating a meme on the basis that others said it before you but i doubt you have any scientific study on that.[/QUOTE] Incentive is the key. People don't invent shit if someone is going to show up and just copy it without giving credit. I would agree that intellectual property is the cancer but as it is it's the bedrock of our globalized economy.

[QUOTE=space1;50987424]Here's a solution - Leave the EU. If people leave, they might change their minds and stop doing shit like this already. Or just, you know, disband it entirely. It shouldn't have the power to do this.[/QUOTE] Or just tell the senile old fuckwits "that's beyond stupid, don't do that" coupled with some common sense so the old geezers backs off and the bill dies? So the "strength in numbers" thing is still valid and another brexit farce is avoided.